Lucky
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That does make sense, Malone.
Utah gunman, 18, was Muslim from Bosnia
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Mr.V.
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jcoiii said:
Hopefully they'll find a Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas box in his bedroom and we won't have to suffer through this religious hysteria any more...
Charles Martel
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When are people going to realize this is not religious hysteria?! Whether this guy was motivated by religious zealotry or not doesn't matter. The fact remains we are in for the fight of our lives. And the sooner we realize it the better. Just as the MSM never revealed the religious motivation behind the LA airport attack we may never learn the true motivation. But rest assured, if this guy was going to the mosque he was being steeped in anti-Western venom.
I'll post thoughts by Fjordman on why we in the West are susceptible to the sirens call of multiculturalism later in this thread when I have some time.
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Perhaps after some of your loved ones are slaughtered you would care to come back and share your thoughts on differentiating the two. Fact is, those that are quietly acquiescing in Islam's hatred against all things non-Islamic are part of the problem. Remember, most Germans were not Nazis. All the silent majority is doing is creating targeting ambiguity which in and of itself is helpful to the animals that are attempting to kill us.
Always glad to see we're relying on cold, hard reason rather than emotion.
Anyway, what does this even mean - in the highly unlikely event that someone I love dies in an act of terrorism, I will suddenly become a raging anti-Muslim bigot? Nah, I really don't think so.
Kaylee
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Oh, I'd say if they've recently been running through Al-Q training camps, blowing up pizza parlors, cutting the heads off the people they kidnap while shouting "Allah Akbar" well... that's a pretty good tip off.
SIRVEYR666
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They will be trying to kill you.
That would be an individual action. We're talking about a "final solution" for all them extremists, evildoers and Islam-o-fascists (imagine that in your best Dubya faux-Texan).
Gotta know who we're rounding up and how to pick them out of a lineup.
Gotta know who we're rounding up and how to pick them out of a lineup.
Head on over to the middle east for a while. You will learn fairly quickly to determine who is who, by their rhetoric and the gun they point at you.
But my whole point is moot since the US is too spineless and PC to even discuss the possibility of him being a terrorist. Or any of the other hate crimes committed by Muslims here in the US. Hate crime or act of terrorism only applies if you are white.
But my whole point is moot since the US is too spineless and PC to even discuss the possibility of him being a terrorist. Or any of the other hate crimes committed by Muslims here in the US. Hate crime or act of terrorism only applies if you are white.
SIRVEYR666
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I equate Islam to a football stadium filled with screaming fans. There are two types of fans. There are the crazy nutjobs that are shirtlless, wearing body paint, clown wigs, and foam fingers, in sub-zero tempuratures. Then there are the rest of the fans just sitting there bundled up in their ski coats, hats, and mittens. They are all hoping that their team wins. Some are just a little more vocal about it.
I am the Infidel!
I am the Infidel!
MatthewVanitas
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The ol' paper bag test. Hold it up, match the color.
[/sarcasm, lest anyone take things too literally here]
I'm more egalitarian, I'm more anti-anyone-who-want-to-kill-me-and-my-family-destroy-my-way-of-life-and-my-country.
Spent the day hanging out with some Tajiks and Turks. I'm reasonably sure that those particular four people are not trying to destroy me, so I'm good.
Even if the U.S. is 100% justified in all our international actions, the average man-on-the-street in many Muslim countries believes that (what a coincidence) we want to kill him and destroy his way of life. Adding to that perception by Muslim-baiting here in the U.S. does us no favors.
Whether or not we're on the verge of some "epic Holy War" (which I don't believe), plenty of zealots on both sides _want_ there to be one. Nothing spices up the usual human disputes by dragging God into it.
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Keith Wheeler
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Nor the DC "sniper" shootings...
MatthewVanitas
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Are you seriously saying that "acts of terror" and "terrorism" have never been applied to non-whites in the media, or by our elected officials? You're kidding right?
Hate crime? I'll agree there, it does seem that the media is loathe to present anti-white crimes as "hate crimes", for whatever ideological or financial reason. Most crime is intra-racial anyway, apparently we don't even like killing each other.
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I don't think the fine people of SLC will let anything get swept under the carpet, and the investigation will be thorough. We don't have all the information as to motive, state of mind, and conclusions, soley based on the fact that this fellow was Muslim, are premature. If this was a terrorist fueled act, it will be eventually reported by the SLC media as such. They will do their job.
Malone LaVeigh
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And none of the PC media ever let on that the hijackers had any connection to Islam.
Charles Martel
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No one is asking you to become a bigot. I am not a bigot. What I am advocating is adjusting your level of awareness to accommodate for the threat posed by Islam.
longeyes
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here's your Valentine's Day gift from W.
Just one question: do we know, REALLY, who these people are?
Feb 14, 6:11 PM EST
White House opens doors to Iraq refugees
By ANNE GEARAN
AP Diplomatic Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States agreed Wednesday to greatly expand the number of Iraqi refugees allowed into America and to pay more to help Iraq's Arab neighbors cope with the human tide fleeing increasing violence and economic hardship in their country.
The decision to allow about 7,000 Iraqis to come to the United States answers mounting political and diplomatic pressure on the Bush administration to do more to remedy the consequences of a war it largely started. Only 202 Iraqis were allowed in last year.
The administration also said it will immediately contribute $18 million for a worldwide resettlement and relief program. The United Nations has asked for $60 million from nations around the world.
Although the United Nations estimates that 3.8 million Iraqis have fled their homes since the war began nearly four years ago, the United States has allowed only about 600 to settle in the United States.
The U.S. proposal also includes plans to offer special treatment for Iraqis still in their country whose cooperation with the U.S. puts them at risk. Expanding visa programs for those Iraqis would require legislation in Congress, State Department Undersecretary Paula J. Dobriansky said Wednesday.
Some 2 million Iraqis have left their country, and an additional 1.8 million are believed to have relocated inside Iraq. The refugee flow has increased sharply as sectarian violence has increased over the past year. The numbers have overwhelmed the hospitality of Arab neighbors such as Syria and Jordan.
The United Nations says most of those who have been uprooted have no desire to come to the United States, and want to return to their homes in Iraq when fighting stops.
But allies, U.N. diplomats and lawmakers of both parties have recently told the administration that the small number of Iraqis the U.S. has allowed in looks bad.
Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., told Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at a hearing last week that the United States could bring in 7,000 Iraqis this year - exactly the number announced Wednesday.
The move is a step in the right direction, considering the United States is a "chief cause" of the refugee problem, said Carolyn Saour, an Iraqi-American Christian living in Houston. Still, 7,000 "is severely low for the amount of damage that's been done over the years," she said.
The United Nations wants to resettle 20,000 of the most vulnerable refugees this year. U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees Antonio Guterres called the U.S. pledge "a relevant contribution."
Guterres has implicitly criticized the United States in the past for allowing other nations to shoulder so much of the burden. He met with Rice on Wednesday, and afterward described a "very frank and very positive discussion on how to work better."
Asked if the U.S. contribution was, in essence, too little too late, Guterres was diplomatic.
"The dimension of the problem is so large," that no effort could really be enough, he told reporters.
The U.N. estimates that 40,000 to 50,000 people flee Iraq each month with dwindling options of where to go. Most have fled to Syria and Jordan, both of which have recently tried to restrict the influx.
Other Iraqis relocate inside their country, with some leaving neighborhoods that were once mixed among Sunnis and Shiites and resettling where their sect is more concentrated. Unlike most of the movement to other countries, some of the internal relocations will probably be permanent.
The U.N. says some 500,000 fled their homes to other parts of Iraq in 2006 alone and the number could reach 2.3 million - nearly one in ten Iraqis - by the end of 2007.
This month, Guterres' Geneva-based agency made an emergency appeal for $60 million to help fleeing Iraqis.
"Unremitting violence in Iraq will likely mean continued mass internal and external displacement affecting much of the surrounding region," it said.
U.S. diplomats have discussed the refugee problem directly with the Jordanian and Syrian governments in recent days, Dobriansky said. That is notable because of the administration's reluctance to engage Syria in high-level discussions about security in Iraq.
Syria has taken in an estimated 1 million Iraqis. It was the last Arab country to take in large numbers.
Although Jordan is a key U.S. ally, the chief government spokesman in Amman did not sound impressed with the U.S. pledges Wednesday.
Nasser Judeh said 7,000 is still a small number compared with the 700,000 Jordan has had to accommodate.
"7,000 Iraqi refugees is just 1 percent of the number we have," Judeh said.
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Just one question: do we know, REALLY, who these people are?
Feb 14, 6:11 PM EST
White House opens doors to Iraq refugees
By ANNE GEARAN
AP Diplomatic Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States agreed Wednesday to greatly expand the number of Iraqi refugees allowed into America and to pay more to help Iraq's Arab neighbors cope with the human tide fleeing increasing violence and economic hardship in their country.
The decision to allow about 7,000 Iraqis to come to the United States answers mounting political and diplomatic pressure on the Bush administration to do more to remedy the consequences of a war it largely started. Only 202 Iraqis were allowed in last year.
The administration also said it will immediately contribute $18 million for a worldwide resettlement and relief program. The United Nations has asked for $60 million from nations around the world.
Although the United Nations estimates that 3.8 million Iraqis have fled their homes since the war began nearly four years ago, the United States has allowed only about 600 to settle in the United States.
The U.S. proposal also includes plans to offer special treatment for Iraqis still in their country whose cooperation with the U.S. puts them at risk. Expanding visa programs for those Iraqis would require legislation in Congress, State Department Undersecretary Paula J. Dobriansky said Wednesday.
Some 2 million Iraqis have left their country, and an additional 1.8 million are believed to have relocated inside Iraq. The refugee flow has increased sharply as sectarian violence has increased over the past year. The numbers have overwhelmed the hospitality of Arab neighbors such as Syria and Jordan.
The United Nations says most of those who have been uprooted have no desire to come to the United States, and want to return to their homes in Iraq when fighting stops.
But allies, U.N. diplomats and lawmakers of both parties have recently told the administration that the small number of Iraqis the U.S. has allowed in looks bad.
Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., told Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice at a hearing last week that the United States could bring in 7,000 Iraqis this year - exactly the number announced Wednesday.
The move is a step in the right direction, considering the United States is a "chief cause" of the refugee problem, said Carolyn Saour, an Iraqi-American Christian living in Houston. Still, 7,000 "is severely low for the amount of damage that's been done over the years," she said.
The United Nations wants to resettle 20,000 of the most vulnerable refugees this year. U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees Antonio Guterres called the U.S. pledge "a relevant contribution."
Guterres has implicitly criticized the United States in the past for allowing other nations to shoulder so much of the burden. He met with Rice on Wednesday, and afterward described a "very frank and very positive discussion on how to work better."
Asked if the U.S. contribution was, in essence, too little too late, Guterres was diplomatic.
"The dimension of the problem is so large," that no effort could really be enough, he told reporters.
The U.N. estimates that 40,000 to 50,000 people flee Iraq each month with dwindling options of where to go. Most have fled to Syria and Jordan, both of which have recently tried to restrict the influx.
Other Iraqis relocate inside their country, with some leaving neighborhoods that were once mixed among Sunnis and Shiites and resettling where their sect is more concentrated. Unlike most of the movement to other countries, some of the internal relocations will probably be permanent.
The U.N. says some 500,000 fled their homes to other parts of Iraq in 2006 alone and the number could reach 2.3 million - nearly one in ten Iraqis - by the end of 2007.
This month, Guterres' Geneva-based agency made an emergency appeal for $60 million to help fleeing Iraqis.
"Unremitting violence in Iraq will likely mean continued mass internal and external displacement affecting much of the surrounding region," it said.
U.S. diplomats have discussed the refugee problem directly with the Jordanian and Syrian governments in recent days, Dobriansky said. That is notable because of the administration's reluctance to engage Syria in high-level discussions about security in Iraq.
Syria has taken in an estimated 1 million Iraqis. It was the last Arab country to take in large numbers.
Although Jordan is a key U.S. ally, the chief government spokesman in Amman did not sound impressed with the U.S. pledges Wednesday.
Nasser Judeh said 7,000 is still a small number compared with the 700,000 Jordan has had to accommodate.
"7,000 Iraqi refugees is just 1 percent of the number we have," Judeh said.
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Diamondback
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...Yeah ?
....so what's your point ? The Spanish brought Christianity to the South American continent "dripping from a bloody sword", the United States government brought "civilization" to the Native American tribes "dripping from a bloody sword", and the English and Portuguese brought slavery to the Americas "dripping from a bloody sword". As to the consequences of these conquests what has that done to the vanquished ? What's your point........??? While everyone has a right to their opinion on The High Road....don't we have a policy of trying to keep racists off the forums ?
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Keith Wheeler
When you approach a city to do battle with it you should call to it in peace. And if they respond in peace and they open the city to you, all the people in the city shall pay taxes to you and be subservient. And if they do not make peace with you, you shall wage war with them and you may besiege them. Deuteronomy 20:10-12
Yes it does say that, but it was also refering to a select group of cities and a select group of people. These were cities that were outside Canaan but on its borders who were in a state of war with Israel. Mossaic laws were distinctly opposed to wars of aggression and foreign conquest, these passages simple state the procedures for war with enemy cities on Israels borders.
Jihad is never called for in the Torah or Bible.
When you approach a city to do battle with it you should call to it in peace. And if they respond in peace and they open the city to you, all the people in the city shall pay taxes to you and be subservient. And if they do not make peace with you, you shall wage war with them and you may besiege them. Deuteronomy 20:10-12
Yes it does say that, but it was also refering to a select group of cities and a select group of people. These were cities that were outside Canaan but on its borders who were in a state of war with Israel. Mossaic laws were distinctly opposed to wars of aggression and foreign conquest, these passages simple state the procedures for war with enemy cities on Israels borders.
Jihad is never called for in the Torah or Bible.
Diamondback
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Well...tell that to the Crusaders of the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries !....and the Protestants and Catholics as they annihilated each other during the Reformation and Counter-Reformation!
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