Utah: SHTF

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So it seems like an earthquake is generally the most probable scenerio for a SHTF situation in Utah. I'll do some research... Wait for it... Wait for it... OK.

http://www.seis.utah.edu/qfacts/utfaq.shtml

I don't like this: "The chance of a large earthquake in the Wasatch Front region during the next 50 years is about 1 in 4."

And: "Four segments of the Wasatch Fault are overdue for a magnitude 7 - 7.5 earthquake."

Well, I'm 100% confident, based on the good nature of the people who live here that our community would respond far better than just about anywhere in the U.S. to a natural disaster.

I'll be stocking up on sensable items like water, food, first aid gear. I don't think 10,000 rounds of ammo will be justified, but I'll keep 1,000 of .223, 500 .308, 200 .40, and 200 12-gauge on hand just in case. If I run out, I'll join Correia's army.
 
Well, I'm 100% confident, based on the good nature of the people who live here that our community would respond far better than just about anywhere in the U.S. to a natural disaster.
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I'm not Mormon myself, but from my experiences with Mormon folks, I think they'd be absolutely excellent in a SHTF situation like grizz says, due to their strong sense of community and emphasis on preparedness.

Yay!

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If we do get a massive earth quake, many homes on the benches will most likely fair pretty well, due to the fact the they are build on fairly solid ground. The homes out in the valley will most likely get it the worst.

Also, the general population in Utah is far more prepared for an incident like this than the rest of the country. Everyone, regardless of where they live, should supply their home with food storage and emergency essentials.
 
Mormons will be ready

I have not a met a better prepared society of people in wait for the doomsday scenarios. Zealous, oh yes, but no more than the rest of THR, only a lot more of them in my opinion.

If an earthquake hit, it would be arguably a much safer place to be than the PNW, where you cross a bridge every few miles or so. I could be stuck in BFE for a while if the event occurred while camping or something and shut down my way home. If it did, I'd hope to heck I had a rifle and pistol with me, because it will be open season on bambi if I cant' get back to civilization. A guys gotta eat.

jeepmor
 
I wonder if there were a large earthquake in UTah that it could cause sufficent enough displacement of earth to cause a Tsunami in the Salt Lake itself. That would be interesting to say the least...

But I think Utah would be the safest place to be if civil disorder breaks out after a disaster of any sort. There would be plenty of supplies to go around, and only a few people in relation to the population would be likely to pillage, steal, or run amuck in anyway.

I have alot of family in Utah and if there was a disaster here in the northwest, or a nation-wide disaster, or any possible related scenario, I would pack up all my food, guns, ammo and drive straight to Utah. I'd feel safe being surrounded by fellow Mormons who are equally prepared, and equally well-armed. The last place I would want to be is a major urban area like where I live.
 
It's almost an unwritten rule to have at least one FULL gun safe out here. :) On top of that the one year supply storage thing. (Food, water, ammo, medical, etc.)

Also we have large families as a general rule, that usually live pretty close. The old everyone would have a job to do, and knows what that job is thing.

Plus: When the earthquake wipes out most major roads? That's fine. We built handcarts before, and we'll build them again.;)
 
OH- One other thing:

When that eathquake happens--Looters: DO NOT EVER try to steal our jello or ice cream!!!! THAT IS A ONE WAY TICKET!:neener:
 
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I just got back from Europe (my earlier post in this thread was actually posted from Vienna) and I had a long conversation with my sister and her husband about this scenario. They live just outside of Valley of Fire in Nevada. We decided that if TSHTF in Salt Lake my wife and I could go down there, and vice versa. It would have to get pretty bad for us to do that however. We're pretty well prepared out here, you would never see anything like what happened after Katrina here.

It's just not how things are done.
 
I'm not Mormon myself, but from my experiences with Mormon folks, I think they'd be absolutely excellent in a SHTF situation like grizz says, due to their strong sense of community and emphasis on preparedness.
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They would, yes. You wouldn't, necessarily, by living there, unless you were a Mormon. Seems to be a members-only kind of place.

Knew some Jewish friends who lived in SLC for a while. They did not find it...friendly. Nor would they likely find the community after SHTF to include them, I figure.
 
A fair point, Manedwolf. I live in a largely Mormon community and it is very closed - lots of cronyism. I imagine that it would increase exponentially in a SHTF scenario.

Biker
 
Bull.

Salt Lake City itself is only around half Mormon. The outlying suburbs hover in the 70%-80% range depending on which town you're in.

Of that 80% figure about 70% of those are actually active Mormons.

Yes, there is plenty of cronyism amongst us, just like any other group where you get them all together and they are the vast majority. I lived most of my life in California in a really Catholic area, and I lived in Alabama for a few years in Baptist or Church of Christ towns, and it is the same exact thing. Strangely enough, if you are a friendly person, and are predisposed to not being easily offended, I don't think you'll ever have a problem living anywhere in the US.

I'm an active Mormon. Strangely enough, most of my friends are either not Mormon, barely Mormon, or used to be Mormon. I don't think you would find it as "exclusive" as you would think. I live on the west side and probably only about a third of my neighborhood is LDS.

From what I've seen, the non-Mormon people here who have the hardest time are the folks who were already ready to feel excluded or offended before they ever even got here.

If the valley comes crashing down in a 8.5 earthquake, I'm pretty sure that your Mormon neighbors aren't going to ask to check your temple recommend before they share their water with you. :scrutiny:
 
Yes, I was thinking along the lines of of Mormons taking care of their own.

I'm sure many may help non-Mormon people, but folks tend to draw the line somewhere, and I suppose it may be viewed as both a practical and spiritual preparedness "grasshopper and the ant" kind of thing. (As in "well, you didn't pick our team before the game started, sorry.")

I can't really fault that, most of us would do the same with our chosen circle of connected folks, the Mormons just have a huge circle.

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Oh, no bout adoubt it, Mormons are fine family people - they take care of their own. That said, it's my experience that if you're not LDS, you're pretty much marginalised when it comes to many things, including business. Not an indictment, just an observation. There is a definate insider/outsider thing happening.
Just the way it is - people are still tribal at their core.
No offense intended.

Biker
 
By the way, I'm talking about really dire circumstances lasting for awhile.

The Mormons I know would and do help out any folks in need, but when it comes down to it, fellow Mormons would likely take priority in the long haul "circle the wagons" scenario.

I wonder how many people suddenly interested in "converting" would come knocking on Mormon doors then?
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That happens in my town now. A family gets down on their luck and the LDS church will help them out with food and rent if they join the Church.
Just the way it is. I imagine the phenomonon would become even more exagerated in dire circumstances.

Biker
 
Well, all I can say is my Dad's a Mormon, and when he visited he sure was impressed with my emergency preparedness!

I must be doing something right.
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I used to work for Kinko's in Mesa, AZ (very heavily LDS area), and about 80% of my work was church-related.

One thing I made lots of copies of was supply lists and manuals for their disaster/famine preparedness.

I used to keep copies of these since I am interested in survivalism, but not one of them ever mentioned having a firearm. Lots of beans, salt, and lard, but no guns.
 
I'm pretty sure most of us that are worth having a gun, have that pretty well covered. :)
 
For a good read on this:

Go get/borrow/buy a book titled "The Fringe" by Orson Scott Card.

Very good read on this specific subject. It's a fictional account of what "could" happen after a major nuclear war.
 
I live just two blocks away from Deseret Industries. On their property, right next to the RR tracks, are three aluminum towers, maybe 30' tall and eight paces across. I'm sure they're filled with wheat, grains, rice, etc.


They're ready and I've no doubt they would be guarded by Elders with deer rifles in a SHTF situation:)

Biker
 
I dunno, but I have three months worth o' brew stored in my garage - and nothing else 'cept my scoot...ran outa room.

Biker
 
I'm no longer an active member of the LDS church but I can say without equivocation that in a SHTF scenario in Utah no one will ask who belongs to what church. It didn't happen during the '81 floods and mudslides, it didn't happen during the downtown tornado, it didn't happen during the Southern Utah floods, it didn't happen during the massive blackouts two winters ago, and it won't happen in the event of an earthquake.

Now the LDS church isn't high on my list of favorite religions at the moment so I'm not to very pleased to be defending it, but some of the comments on this thread are totally unwarranted.
 
I'll start taking applications for Evil Minions. We will offer great benefits, medical and dental, plunder, and all the ammo you can shoot.
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PICK ME PICK ME!!!!

I look at SHTF as a business opportunity.

Cross me and the next thing you know you'll be hanging from a bungee cord having a chainsaw duel to the death against a retarded guy with a bucket on his head.
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That retarded guy wouldn't be Super Dell would it?

I'm just kidding.

I have to agree that shtf wis most likely an earth quake, another one that I thought of & haven't heard any mention of is Hill Air Force Base I don't know how much of a target it would be for terrorists or an invasion, but it is a possibility I think.

I agree with Correia as a practicing member of the LDS church that we are always willing to help out others in need no matter what their religious beliefs are. My father-in-law drove to St George (about a 6 hour drive I believe) to help with the clean up of the floods last year. He didn't know anyone down there that had their house flooded he just felt he needed to go help out.

I know that if the shtf while I am at work I would be in trouble getting home to my family as I work about 45 miles from home & there aren't many ways home. If Parley's were shut down I would be in trouble because I-15 Northbound would be a nightmare (traffic is awful when it rains Heaven forbid something bad happens it would get really ugly). That & the fact that I work right by little cottonwood canyon up on the bench I will probably be in trouble, but what do you do ya know it pays the bills.
 
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