Uzi questions.......Info needed/ assault weapons ban

[phantomak47]

I was on atlanticfirearms.com and I noticed that they are selling vector arms.Are these the same uzis that were sold before the assault weapons ban went into effect? I thought that uzis werent going to be made even after the ban was up?

1. Is this a real uzi?

2. What is the difference between this uzi an preban ones?

3. is 599 a good price for one of these new? thanks for all the help

 

[TexasRifleman]

Real Uzi? Well that depends on your definition of real. It was not made outside of the US, but it was made semi auto under a license from the Israeli patent holder if that's what you mean.

Is it a full auto submachinegun Uzi? Certainly not, not at that price. Transferable Uzis are approaching the $10k mark in todays market.
"real" Uzis fire from an open bolt, this one you are looking at does not.

Is it an assault weapon? Nope. No such thing now.... preban
or postban is just a useless term now.

What you are looking at is a 16 inch barrel, probably 9mm folding stock carbine.

Is it worth $599? Well, you will have to decide that. Vector is one of
the better built versions and they are kinda fun to shoot. The long
barrel makes it a bit cumbersome to use for it's original CQB purpose,
but they shoot very well, mags are not too horribly expensive, and
if you want a gun that looks like a submachinegun then that's what you
would get. They used to come with a short solid piece of steel called
a "dummy barrel" for display use, not sure if that is still the case.

If you want to get fun, and your location allows it, file a Form 1 with
ATF for a short barreled rifle then you can put a real submachinegun
barrel on it to complete the look. Those are fun shooters as well.

But, it's not an "assault weapon". It did not meet the legal definition of that term in that it only had 2 of the 5 "evil" features:
1) Folding stock
2) Pistol grip

It did not have a third, which would have made it an assault weapon:
3) Normal capacity magazine (over 10 rounds) not a reduced capacity
4) Flash hider
5) Bayonet lug

I didn't look a the one you mention, but some models come with the bayonet lug which, although totally useless on a submachinegun, do make the thing
what would have been called an assault weapon because that would make 3 of the evil features. If the one you are looking at has a bayonet lug, then it would have been called an assault weapon when that law was in effect.

 

[phantomak47]

Are these new Uzis the same gun that sold for 1500 before the ban was up?

 

[PMDW]

Transferable Uzis are approaching the $10k mark in todays market.

They run from $6,500 to $7,500. Not $10K, yet.

But, it's not an "assault weapon". It did not meet the legal definition of that term in that it only had 2 of the 5 "evil" features:
1) Folding stock
2) Pistol grip

The Uzi had the following "evil" features.

Folding stock

Pistol Grip

Magazine Well.

Some had bayonet lugs


One feature over the two evil feature limit, even with the lug removed. (limit was two, not three).

It may have been banned by name, too. Not sure.

 

[TexasRifleman]

You're right, I forgot it was the mag well, not the high cap mags that was the problem.

Good grief, how silly that was, and how happy I am to be forgetting it already

Thanks for the corrections.

 

[femoralis]

Only one evil feature was allowed under the AW ban. For most guns, that was the pistol grip. Which is why the uzis sold during the ban had fixed stocks.

 

[RooK]

The detachable magazine is not an evil feature per the sunsetted AWB, but it was a prerequisite in order for the law to apply to that firearm... then you could start counting parts. No more than 1 was allowed or it was an assault weapon.

Anyway, UZIs made domestically were being made and sold throughout the AWB because they did not meet the definition. New ones can have a folding stock and perhaps a bayonet lug, that's the only differences. Forgien IMI models have been banned from import since '89, so the AWB sunset doesn't apply to them. Likewise, Norinco clones have been banned due to a ban on Chinese firearm imports.

If you do buy an UZI, have fun swapping calibers. .22lr, .40S&W, 10mm, .41AE, and .45 conversions exist out there. The middle three work with the stock semi bolt, you just need new barrels.

 

[shoobe01]

I have recently discovered more info on Vector, both for an inexplicable love of the pistol caliber carbine, and the fact that I have stumbled into a semi-free receiver stamping.

This is an article from SAR on the full-auto versions. All reports are that the semi-auto Vector UZIs are nice also, so this has lots of relevance. Read it.
http://www.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/article_vectorUZI1.htm

After adding up the parts, you can maybe barely build up your own UZI for less than Vector can sell you one with a warranty. That's quite a deal, so if I were to get an UZI, I'd go that way.


(P.S. if anyone wants a Group Industries stamping on the cheap, PM or email me about it.)