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VA-ALERT: VCDL Update 8/13/08
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Van Cleave
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:03 PM
Subject: VA-ALERT: VCDL Update 8/13/08
VCDL Update 8/13/08 - "Defending your right to defend yourself"
1. Dan Moore's false arrest case in Norfolk resolved
2. Shooting on Virginia Tech Campus
3. VCDL has three new Executive Members
4. Government vs. private property: it matters
5. Officials at conference: campus lockdown not possible
6. LTE: Member refutes restaurant carry ban
7. Yes: renewing 180-90 days ahead of expiry is the law
8. Culpeper Police Chief wants to ban shooting
9. LTE -- pretty smart 8th grader
10. Going After Crimes -- and Guns -- in Richmond
11. Capital Gun Owners organization formed
12. House Democrats Seek Less-Rigid D.C. Gun Laws
13. In Connecticut we'll take your gun, just in case
14. McCain seems to propose martial law for US
15. Student Group Lobbying for Legislation to Allow Concealed Firearms
on College Campuses
16. Chicago still trying to circumvent 2nd Amendment
17. New VCDL Gun Show Coordinators
18. Gun shows and events! Norfolk show needs volunteers!
**************************************************
1. Dan Moore's false arrest case in Norfolk resolved
**************************************************
Mr. Moore was arrested in Norfolk last year because of profiling. The
Pilot Online article <http://tinyurl.com/364f6l> has some background
on the case. He recently notified us about the resolution of the
case. The principle of rule of law that is the cornerstone of our
Democracy and way of life, was vindicated here.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/14715.html
(The link includes an image of the letter from Chief Marquis)
Mr. Moore writes:
"After a little over a year, the Norfolk case is finished. I am very
happy to announce that Norfolk has awarded me with an undisclosed
amount plus an apology letter from the Chief of Police.
I would like to thank all of you who have supported me and guided me
with your knowledge and wisdom.
I have learned that instances like these must be handled wisely. You
must put yourself in the best legal position as you cannot challenge
authority at that moment. I have read Citizen's suggestions and I
concur. His plan of action when dealing with such instances requires
a calm mind and much knowledge of the law.
I started carrying about 2 years ago and I've never even imagined such
events ever occurring. But thanks to this website and the wonderful
folks that mod it, and the awesome people that post, it makes things
gravy.
**************************************************
2. Shooting on Virginia Tech Campus
**************************************************
How can this be? Virginia Tech claims that by having a 'no gun'
policy no one can get shot.
http://tinyurl.com/5mb6pl
August 02, 2008
WSET-13 Lynchburg
A Virginia Tech employee is in the hospital after police say he shot
himself on campus Saturday. According to school officials, the
incident happened in Cassell Coliseum about 2:15 Saturday afternoon.
They say there was no threat to the university community. The victim
was transported to Roanoke for treatment, but there is no word on his
condition at this time. Immediately after the shooting, the university
sent out a campus-wide email telling students and faculty what
happened. Virginia Tech officials were criticized for not alerting the
campus community sooner that there had been a shooting on campus on
April 16th last year. That day a student killed two other students in
a dorm room, then two hours later killed 30 teachers and students in a
classroom across campus before committing suicide.
**************************************************
3. VCDL has three new Executive Members
**************************************************
VCDL has three new Executive members: Andrew Dysart, and Billy and Jan
Donald.
Andrew has been extremely active in fighting for college students,
faculty and staff to be able to carry a concealed handgun on campus if
they have a CHP.
Billy and Jan Donald pitch in at VCDL events around the state. If
you've had a hot dog or hamburger at a VCDL picnic, there's a good
chance that Billy cooked it for you. The husband/wife team can be
counted on when we need help.
**************************************************
4. Government vs. private property: it matters
**************************************************
From time to time I get an email where the writer shows some
confusion about whether private property can ban guns, especially
without signage to that effect.
There is a world of difference between public property and private
property when it comes to banning guns.
On property owned by the state or by localities, with few exception,
like in a jail or holding cell area, guns CANNOT be banned for NON-
employees.
On private property, guns can be banned at will. There is no need for
a sign - a verbal warning is sufficient and legal from the private
property owner. And don't get hung up on the word "owner". Anyone
acting as an agent for the owner can issue the notice.
If you are asked to leave because of your gun on PRIVATE property, DO
**NOT** ASK THEM TO POST THE PROPERTY!!!
As long as it is not posted people can continue to carry there - what
happened to you might be a quirk or just an unwritten policy against
open carry. If you are unlucky enough to be asked to leave while at
an establishment and you can't politely and respectfully convince them
to let you stay in very short order, then honor their request and
leave quietly and contact VCDL at: <http://www.vcdl.org/static/
gue.html>
If you must leave, try to find out if their "no gun" policy is
storewide or just at that business, if it applies only to employees,
and if you can get a copy of the policy.
**************************************************
5. Officials at conference: campus lockdown not possible
**************************************************
Someone has taken a *serious* look at what it takes to 'lockdown' a
sprawling university campus. The conclusion? Forget about it.
http://tinyurl.com/5u5tun
Aug 05, 2008
By KARIN KAPSIDELIS
Richmond TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER
Authorities can lock down a kindergarten classroom, a middle school or
a prison. But officials say it's not really possible to lock down a
sprawling college campus.
"We're designed to allow free movement, free thought," Michael Young,
director of public safety at Washington and Lee University, told his
counterparts from across the state during a conference yesterday on
campus safety.
The 2008 Governor's Campus Preparedness Conference brought about 500
people to Virginia Commonwealth University for a day of discussions
that spanned issues from terminology to threat assessment.
It was the second year for the conference, which last year focused on
security in the aftermath of the 2007 shootings at Virginia Tech.
Yesterday's conference took an "all-hazards approach" to also include
threats ranging from a natural disaster to a flu pandemic, said Robert
P. Crouch, assistant to the governor for commonwealth preparedness.
At one session participants got an overview of new state and federal
legislation on campus safety.
The federal Higher Education Act, for example, requires schools to
report hate crimes, including larceny and vandalism.
Virginia legislation requires schools to set up threat-assessment
teams and adopt crisis and emergency-response plans that must be
reviewed and revised every four years.
By January, they must have a first-warning system in place. The
conference included vendors selling the latest in communication
technology for such systems.
But Robert Dillard, chief of police for the University of Richmond,
cautioned against the false sense of security that instant-
notification systems offer.
Campus officials still must confirm what's going on, he pointed out.
Not long after the Tech tragedy, a report of shots fired on campus
turned out to be "offensive linemen throwing cherry bombs at each
other."
The alerts, he said, have the potential to cause "absolute, total
panic and fear."
At UR, one student remained hidden for more than four hours after a
May incident because she was out of cell-phone range and did not
receive an all-clear message.
UR has taken a number of steps because of that incident, caused by an
intruder with a pellet gun and a fake beard.
The school has installed locks on classrooms and labs so that students
and staff can seek "secure shelter" -- the term they prefer over
"lockdown."
Peepholes are being installed in doors because people who have locked
themselves in aren't going to open a door for someone claiming to be
police, Dillard said.
Michael F. Lynch, chief of police at George Mason University, said he
was troubled by the "blame-storming" that followed the Tech tragedy.
Well-intentioned panels and studies make recommendations on how to
identify the next shooter, he said.
They also imply the shootings in Norris Hall, where 30 people were
killed, could have been prevented if Tech had been locked down after
an earlier shooting in a dormitory.
"Virginia Tech cannot be locked down," he said. "I call it impossible."
**************************************************
6. LTE: Member refutes restaurant carry ban
**************************************************
Member Alan Rose of Franklin, VA wrote this model letter-to-the-editor.
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/08/sidearm-vacation
Last week I wore my concealed handgun into three restaurants that
serve alcohol. This is a crime in Virginia. Many alarmists have warned
of Wild West-style pandemonium if concealed handguns were to be
permitted to commingle with alcohol. I was on vacation in the Wild
West, traveling through some of the most rural portions of Texas on a
journey between Dallas and Corpus Christi, in a state that trusts its
citizens more than Virginia does. So what happened in these 'handguns
allowed' restaurants? Absolutely nothing.
No duels, no dinner shootouts, no deadly arguments. No robberies. Just
trustworthy citizens going about their lives. Maybe next year Virginia
citizens can be deemed to be as trustworthy as Texans are. Are we
really that different?
**************************************************
7. Yes: renewing 180-90 days ahead of expiry is the law
**************************************************
Member Bob Risacher of Farmville, VA wrote to us about his experience
exercising the newly revised CHP renewal law. We will probably be
seeing a lot of this for several months as the Court Clerks start
being exposed to people demanding they follow the new law. If you are
on the leading edge, you may have to educate your local Circuit Court
Clerk.
Mr. Risacher writes:
"Just to alert you to the problems (forewarned is forearmed) that some
have had with the 'powers-that-be' around the state, I want to report
the excellent service that I recently received here in Prince Edward
County. Thanks to the notices that I received from VCDL, I applied
for my CWP renewal in the 90-180 day time slot prior to my permit's
expiration date. The Clerk's office approved it in about two weeks.
When I picked it up and after I got home, I realized that it had been
mistakenly dated at the date it was approved rather than for my
October renewal date. A phone call to the Clerk's office resulted in
a fast and efficient correction. The young lady who assisted me
stated that she had seen the notice of the law change but had
apparently forgotten it. As soon as I told her that I believed that
the date was incorrect, she had it corrected as quickly as she was
able to obtain the Clerk's signature."
**************************************************
8. Culpeper Police Chief wants to ban shooting
**************************************************
This bears watching:
http://tinyurl.com/6l9px9
.
.
.
.
post truncated to comply with board limits on maximum amount of characters in a post
See http://www.vcdl.org for full post
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Van Cleave
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:03 PM
Subject: VA-ALERT: VCDL Update 8/13/08
VCDL Update 8/13/08 - "Defending your right to defend yourself"
1. Dan Moore's false arrest case in Norfolk resolved
2. Shooting on Virginia Tech Campus
3. VCDL has three new Executive Members
4. Government vs. private property: it matters
5. Officials at conference: campus lockdown not possible
6. LTE: Member refutes restaurant carry ban
7. Yes: renewing 180-90 days ahead of expiry is the law
8. Culpeper Police Chief wants to ban shooting
9. LTE -- pretty smart 8th grader
10. Going After Crimes -- and Guns -- in Richmond
11. Capital Gun Owners organization formed
12. House Democrats Seek Less-Rigid D.C. Gun Laws
13. In Connecticut we'll take your gun, just in case
14. McCain seems to propose martial law for US
15. Student Group Lobbying for Legislation to Allow Concealed Firearms
on College Campuses
16. Chicago still trying to circumvent 2nd Amendment
17. New VCDL Gun Show Coordinators
18. Gun shows and events! Norfolk show needs volunteers!
**************************************************
1. Dan Moore's false arrest case in Norfolk resolved
**************************************************
Mr. Moore was arrested in Norfolk last year because of profiling. The
Pilot Online article <http://tinyurl.com/364f6l> has some background
on the case. He recently notified us about the resolution of the
case. The principle of rule of law that is the cornerstone of our
Democracy and way of life, was vindicated here.
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/14715.html
(The link includes an image of the letter from Chief Marquis)
Mr. Moore writes:
"After a little over a year, the Norfolk case is finished. I am very
happy to announce that Norfolk has awarded me with an undisclosed
amount plus an apology letter from the Chief of Police.
I would like to thank all of you who have supported me and guided me
with your knowledge and wisdom.
I have learned that instances like these must be handled wisely. You
must put yourself in the best legal position as you cannot challenge
authority at that moment. I have read Citizen's suggestions and I
concur. His plan of action when dealing with such instances requires
a calm mind and much knowledge of the law.
I started carrying about 2 years ago and I've never even imagined such
events ever occurring. But thanks to this website and the wonderful
folks that mod it, and the awesome people that post, it makes things
gravy.
**************************************************
2. Shooting on Virginia Tech Campus
**************************************************
How can this be? Virginia Tech claims that by having a 'no gun'
policy no one can get shot.
http://tinyurl.com/5mb6pl
August 02, 2008
WSET-13 Lynchburg
A Virginia Tech employee is in the hospital after police say he shot
himself on campus Saturday. According to school officials, the
incident happened in Cassell Coliseum about 2:15 Saturday afternoon.
They say there was no threat to the university community. The victim
was transported to Roanoke for treatment, but there is no word on his
condition at this time. Immediately after the shooting, the university
sent out a campus-wide email telling students and faculty what
happened. Virginia Tech officials were criticized for not alerting the
campus community sooner that there had been a shooting on campus on
April 16th last year. That day a student killed two other students in
a dorm room, then two hours later killed 30 teachers and students in a
classroom across campus before committing suicide.
**************************************************
3. VCDL has three new Executive Members
**************************************************
VCDL has three new Executive members: Andrew Dysart, and Billy and Jan
Donald.
Andrew has been extremely active in fighting for college students,
faculty and staff to be able to carry a concealed handgun on campus if
they have a CHP.
Billy and Jan Donald pitch in at VCDL events around the state. If
you've had a hot dog or hamburger at a VCDL picnic, there's a good
chance that Billy cooked it for you. The husband/wife team can be
counted on when we need help.
**************************************************
4. Government vs. private property: it matters
**************************************************
From time to time I get an email where the writer shows some
confusion about whether private property can ban guns, especially
without signage to that effect.
There is a world of difference between public property and private
property when it comes to banning guns.
On property owned by the state or by localities, with few exception,
like in a jail or holding cell area, guns CANNOT be banned for NON-
employees.
On private property, guns can be banned at will. There is no need for
a sign - a verbal warning is sufficient and legal from the private
property owner. And don't get hung up on the word "owner". Anyone
acting as an agent for the owner can issue the notice.
If you are asked to leave because of your gun on PRIVATE property, DO
**NOT** ASK THEM TO POST THE PROPERTY!!!
As long as it is not posted people can continue to carry there - what
happened to you might be a quirk or just an unwritten policy against
open carry. If you are unlucky enough to be asked to leave while at
an establishment and you can't politely and respectfully convince them
to let you stay in very short order, then honor their request and
leave quietly and contact VCDL at: <http://www.vcdl.org/static/
gue.html>
If you must leave, try to find out if their "no gun" policy is
storewide or just at that business, if it applies only to employees,
and if you can get a copy of the policy.
**************************************************
5. Officials at conference: campus lockdown not possible
**************************************************
Someone has taken a *serious* look at what it takes to 'lockdown' a
sprawling university campus. The conclusion? Forget about it.
http://tinyurl.com/5u5tun
Aug 05, 2008
By KARIN KAPSIDELIS
Richmond TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER
Authorities can lock down a kindergarten classroom, a middle school or
a prison. But officials say it's not really possible to lock down a
sprawling college campus.
"We're designed to allow free movement, free thought," Michael Young,
director of public safety at Washington and Lee University, told his
counterparts from across the state during a conference yesterday on
campus safety.
The 2008 Governor's Campus Preparedness Conference brought about 500
people to Virginia Commonwealth University for a day of discussions
that spanned issues from terminology to threat assessment.
It was the second year for the conference, which last year focused on
security in the aftermath of the 2007 shootings at Virginia Tech.
Yesterday's conference took an "all-hazards approach" to also include
threats ranging from a natural disaster to a flu pandemic, said Robert
P. Crouch, assistant to the governor for commonwealth preparedness.
At one session participants got an overview of new state and federal
legislation on campus safety.
The federal Higher Education Act, for example, requires schools to
report hate crimes, including larceny and vandalism.
Virginia legislation requires schools to set up threat-assessment
teams and adopt crisis and emergency-response plans that must be
reviewed and revised every four years.
By January, they must have a first-warning system in place. The
conference included vendors selling the latest in communication
technology for such systems.
But Robert Dillard, chief of police for the University of Richmond,
cautioned against the false sense of security that instant-
notification systems offer.
Campus officials still must confirm what's going on, he pointed out.
Not long after the Tech tragedy, a report of shots fired on campus
turned out to be "offensive linemen throwing cherry bombs at each
other."
The alerts, he said, have the potential to cause "absolute, total
panic and fear."
At UR, one student remained hidden for more than four hours after a
May incident because she was out of cell-phone range and did not
receive an all-clear message.
UR has taken a number of steps because of that incident, caused by an
intruder with a pellet gun and a fake beard.
The school has installed locks on classrooms and labs so that students
and staff can seek "secure shelter" -- the term they prefer over
"lockdown."
Peepholes are being installed in doors because people who have locked
themselves in aren't going to open a door for someone claiming to be
police, Dillard said.
Michael F. Lynch, chief of police at George Mason University, said he
was troubled by the "blame-storming" that followed the Tech tragedy.
Well-intentioned panels and studies make recommendations on how to
identify the next shooter, he said.
They also imply the shootings in Norris Hall, where 30 people were
killed, could have been prevented if Tech had been locked down after
an earlier shooting in a dormitory.
"Virginia Tech cannot be locked down," he said. "I call it impossible."
**************************************************
6. LTE: Member refutes restaurant carry ban
**************************************************
Member Alan Rose of Franklin, VA wrote this model letter-to-the-editor.
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/08/sidearm-vacation
Last week I wore my concealed handgun into three restaurants that
serve alcohol. This is a crime in Virginia. Many alarmists have warned
of Wild West-style pandemonium if concealed handguns were to be
permitted to commingle with alcohol. I was on vacation in the Wild
West, traveling through some of the most rural portions of Texas on a
journey between Dallas and Corpus Christi, in a state that trusts its
citizens more than Virginia does. So what happened in these 'handguns
allowed' restaurants? Absolutely nothing.
No duels, no dinner shootouts, no deadly arguments. No robberies. Just
trustworthy citizens going about their lives. Maybe next year Virginia
citizens can be deemed to be as trustworthy as Texans are. Are we
really that different?
**************************************************
7. Yes: renewing 180-90 days ahead of expiry is the law
**************************************************
Member Bob Risacher of Farmville, VA wrote to us about his experience
exercising the newly revised CHP renewal law. We will probably be
seeing a lot of this for several months as the Court Clerks start
being exposed to people demanding they follow the new law. If you are
on the leading edge, you may have to educate your local Circuit Court
Clerk.
Mr. Risacher writes:
"Just to alert you to the problems (forewarned is forearmed) that some
have had with the 'powers-that-be' around the state, I want to report
the excellent service that I recently received here in Prince Edward
County. Thanks to the notices that I received from VCDL, I applied
for my CWP renewal in the 90-180 day time slot prior to my permit's
expiration date. The Clerk's office approved it in about two weeks.
When I picked it up and after I got home, I realized that it had been
mistakenly dated at the date it was approved rather than for my
October renewal date. A phone call to the Clerk's office resulted in
a fast and efficient correction. The young lady who assisted me
stated that she had seen the notice of the law change but had
apparently forgotten it. As soon as I told her that I believed that
the date was incorrect, she had it corrected as quickly as she was
able to obtain the Clerk's signature."
**************************************************
8. Culpeper Police Chief wants to ban shooting
**************************************************
This bears watching:
http://tinyurl.com/6l9px9
.
.
.
.
post truncated to comply with board limits on maximum amount of characters in a post
See http://www.vcdl.org for full post
