VA CCW list published by Roanoke Times 3/11

[Leatherneck]

I just posted the VCDL transcript here: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=266860

TC

 

[tinygnat219]

PackingDressageRider,

I know, but I don't want to be called what he is, and that's irresponsible. Seriously, I want to stay on the high road with this one. It surprised me that they announced his phone number on the recording. Leatherneck, thank you for posting the transcript!

Attached is the Response from the Christiansburg Police Department. Captain Reid was a complete and total professional. He apologized for the delay in getting it to me after only 2 days! I got it Friday afternoon and my scanner at home was on the fritz, so after "borrowing" one from the office to scan the letter and such in, here it is.

The 911 call can be found here: http://www.vcdl.org/RT/Trejbal_911_Call_Roanoke.wav

The phone number has been edited out.

Enjoy!

 

[Grt_Esc]

I'd love to find out why he's in the offender database

I searched the surrounding counties in the VA system:

http://www.courts.state.va.us/caseinfo/home.html

Didn't come up with anything.

I tried to search Oregon, however to use their system they charge $295.00 for a setup fee for use of their online system.

 

[tinygnat219]

We are looking into what the charge was.

 

[Robert Hairless]

Trejbal's phone call is interesting.

He read the package label. The label said where the package had come from and what it contained.

It would have been a simple matter to telephone DHL and ask about the package instead of calling 911. He did not do it.

I do hope that Mr. Trejbal will repay the police for the costs he generated by phoning in a false complaint.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

"We have a Right...", and " The people have a right to know..." crap.

If I recall correctly, at least one of the Ohio newspapers that insisted
on publishing handgun permit lists refused to publish sex offenders
lists because it would violate the sex offenders' right to privacy!?!

Does the RoanokeTimes publish all state permit/license lists because
"We have a Right...", and " The people have a right to know..." or is
it just the handgun license list?

Also, the claim that these lists should be published to protect the
innocent public from evil gun owners, I do believe, was a talking point
from one of the antigun groups.

 

[50 Freak]

This situation is totally funny. Some dumbassed reporter decides to write an article that essentially places a ton of law abiding citizens in danger and as a result this reporter is now living under threats of violence and is in fear for his own life.

If you ask me...this reporter deserves it.

 

[tinygnat219]

50 Freak,

No the reporter doesn't deserve to be threatened or harassed like he has claimed to be. However, since the Commonwealth's Attornety has viewed his situation as non-threatening, I think it's safe to say we have been vindicated. It reflects poorly on us that he feels that he has been threatened and that the media is backing him up. We need to stick to the highest moral ground here, while using the same tools that he did to dig up any information on him. With that, the High Road is maintained, and our point is made by the thousands!

Remember, under VA law what he did was not illegal. It is still considered public information. It astounds me that I was able to get as much information as I did on the incident. I got the incident reports and a copy of the 911 call just from sending a simple E-mail. Some of these loops need to be closed, with further exemptions added to the FOIA statute.

 

[packingdressagerider]

Re:TG

I know we should be above Mr Gerbil in this, and take "the high road." But I'm still mad. I'm hoping that we can find out how much of an offender he is.

Stanzi

 

[bsf]

CNN coverage of the Roanoke Times debacle

 

[tinygnat219]

Carl N Brown,
Just need to shed some light on your post.

Does the RoanokeTimes publish all state permit/license lists because
"We have a Right...", and " The people have a right to know..." or is
it just the handgun license list?

The Roanoke Times just published the Concealed Handgun Permit list. This is the only form of licensing in the state that is required. There is no permit, or registration of rifles, shotguns, or handguns anywhere in the state. For NFA items, you have to register them with the VA State Police. Other than that, there is no large central list in VA other than the Concealed Handgun Permit list.

Also, the claim that these lists should be published to protect the
innocent public from evil gun owners, I do believe, was a talking point
from one of the antigun groups.

Yup, I see this one a lot too. Good catch! This blows the water out of the argument of "this is not an anti-gun article".

 

[Shooting Ace]

Just an interesting thought. The Police refer to Trejbal as an "Offender". Trejbal is upset that the sex offender database is online and the gun owners are not. Is it possible that there is an update coming to the sex offender database that includes the name Trejbal??? It would make sense. He sees gun owners as evil and himself as above everyone else yet his name might be getting published. Like I said, just a thought.

 

[BobCav]

I did an Intelius Criminal Background check on the gerbil and the only things that show up are two speeding tickets in Utah. "Violation of Basic Rule" they call it because they have no set speed limit, only "suggested". A VBR is based on driving too fast or recklessly for the given road conditions.

 

[tinygnat219]

BobCav,

FOIA is your friend.
I just FOIA'd the Christiansburg PD again, we might as well see why he's in their system as an offender:

RE: Request for records under the Virginia Freedom of Information Act

Dear Captain Reid:

In accordance with the Virginia Freedom of Information Act (§ 2.2 -3700 et seq.) I am requesting copies of any records related to any and all Christiansburg Police Department Incident Reports where Christian Trejbal is named as an offender, complainant, witness, or is otherwise mentioned. I came across something mentioned in the 911 recording for the 13 March 07 “Suspicious Package Incident” where he was named as an Offender, or something like that. I would also like to request that all charges for supplying the records I have requested be estimated in advance. I understand that if you determine that the charges are likely to exceed $200, I am obliged to pay that amount before you continue to process my request.

If you have any questions or require additional information in order to process my request, please do not hesitate to contact me at 703-370-1523.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this matter.

Sincerely,



TJ Parmele

 

[SpeedAKL]

I live in Roanoke and have read the Times for awhile. It's a crap paper, but it's the only local newspaper around here. This isn't the first time that their political agenda has cause them to do something devious or unethical. Their editors all have far-left-wing views and approach both the news and the opinion section from a one-sided perspective. Not only do they routinely publish information that is distorted or outright false, but they also have no problem in using personal attacks or various demagogue cards (race, religion, etc) to get their message across. It's a rag of a paper, and this just gives me another reason to cancel my subscription.

 

[SpeedAKL]

People around here are really pissed off about this. I know several people who had their names revealed by the RT that were none too happy about it.

 

[packingdressagerider]

Re:TG...The Public Has A Right To Know

Ha! Tiny Gnat, can't wait to see what you dig up on Gerbil (or Turdball). It has to be something beyond a traffic ticket. Given that not every person is listed on those sex offender sites, just wondering about that a little more, especially in light of the fuss Gerbil made about those sites.

Stanzi

 

[packingdressagerider]

Re: Crappy Paper...RKE Times

I imagine they don't have a clue at the times why people think their rag is something to actually spend money on for a subscription. I can't even remember when I last subscribed. There was a time when my brother used to deliver that paper in the 1970s. I used to help him on his paper route. Anyway it's been about 15 years since we last subscribed. Or maybe longer!

Stanzi

 

[tinygnat219]

Will do. I haven't heard back from them yet (I only sent the request a couple of hours ago) and I shall see how cooperative they are. They were very helpful and polite with my last request and even apologized to me for not having it out the same day!

You have a professional PD down there that deserves their kudos.

 

[50 Freak]

50 Freak,

No the reporter doesn't deserve to be threatened or harassed like he has claimed to be.

I respect your opinion, but mine is "you reap what you sow" this dumbass of a reporter had the choice to highlight the problem and NOT publish the list of CCW holders.

Yet he made a choice to go ahead and publish the list when it was not necessary. He then compared the CCW holders list to the child molester registry. If you ask me, he made the conscious decision to risk the lives of 135,000+ law abiding citizens to further his article in some small ass local paper.

Whatever he gets, he deserves.

 

[FMJMIKE]

Does anybody know where Trejbal the Turd was born and raised? A search of his hometown paper may reveal something.

 

[CZ 75 BD]

It's catching up to them...

http://http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=6753895&nav=menu368_5'

The Roanoke Times announced on its on-line site today it is offering voluntary buyouts to 21 eligible employees. The statement says the offer is part of the company's plan "to maintain The Roanoke Times' fiscal integrity".

The statement from publisher Debbie Meade reads in part, "we anticipate a need for a reduction in our workforce to occur sometime this year. Prior to conducting any involuntary workforce reductions that might be needed, we are making a voluntary retirement incentive offer." Those who take it would begin retirement on September 1st.

Meade says the paper has eliminated or frozen 27 positions. It is also reorganizing departments, controlling expenses, and employing technology to gain efficiencies.

Meade's statement says the Times is "dealing with business conditions unprecedented in our long history."

Landmark Communications, which owns the Times, has made cuts at its other newspapers. The Virginian Pilot announced that 63 employees would take early retirement. The Greensboro News and Record laid off 41 employees in June.

 

[General Geoff]

Perhaps something even better is happening: People are relying less on mass media and using the Internet more for their news source.

 

[ZeSpectre]

Link to the "times" own statement
http://www.roanoke.com/business/wb/wb/xp-123442

Newspaper to reduce work force
Reductions could total about 10 percent of the newspaper's workers.

By Jenny Kincaid Boone
981-3235

The publisher of The Roanoke Times said Friday that the news organization will offer voluntary retirement incentives to 21 employees, and she said more jobs may be eliminated in the future.

"Like the media industry as a whole, we're taking steps to reinvent our company to remain relevant to our existing customers and to seek out new customers in new markets," said Debbie Meade, president and publisher, in an e-mail announcement to employees. "We're dealing with business conditions unprecedented in our long history."

Advertising revenue at The Roanoke Times, similar to newspapers across the country, has declined. It's mainly because of competition from other media sources, such as the Internet, said Nan Mahone, promotions and community relations manager at The Roanoke Times.

She didn't specify which advertising sectors have been soft.

Landmark Communications, a privately held company based in Norfolk, owns The Roanoke Times.

Mahone said job reductions, including those opting for the early-retirement incentives, could total about 10 percent of the company's work force, although specific numbers are not known.

The Roanoke Times employs 450 people, and it has a weekday circulation of 94,000 and 104,000 on Sundays, as of March 31.

It already has eliminated or frozen 27 jobs in the past year, said interim human resources director Jean Lamkin. The retirement incentives are being offered to 21 full-time employees who are 58 or older and have at least 15 years of service. Of the 21 retirement candidates, six work in the newsroom. The incentives package includes six months' compensation based on 2006 wages, a bridge benefit for Social Security payable until age 62 and a $2,400 benefit enhancement. These incentives are in addition to the employees' regular pension benefits.

The majority of the people eligible for the early-retirement option work in the company's production departments, such as the pressroom, Lamkin said.

Sept. 1 is the effective date for retirement.

The Roanoke Times last offered early-retirement incentives to employees in 1993.

Similar staff reduction measures have been offered in the past year at two other Landmark-owned newspapers, The News & Record in Greensboro, N.C., and The Virginian Pilot in Norfolk.

Early-retirement incentives and other reductions have occurred lately at newspapers across the country, including the San Jose Mercury News in California and the Los Angeles Times.

Last month, another Virginia newspaper, the Daily Press, in Newport News, offered voluntary buyout packages to employees with at least 10 years of service in the face of declining advertising revenue. The buyouts could result in the elimination of 19 to 25 jobs, according to news reports.

Rick Edmonds, a media business analyst at the Poynter Institute, a journalism training organization in Florida, estimated last month that there have been at least 20 announced buyouts and layoffs at newspapers across the country so far in 2007 and that as many as 650 jobs had been eliminated.

He said Friday that classified print advertising generally has suffered the most from Internet competition because consumers have changed the way they shop. They rely increasingly on the Internet to make buying decisions, he said, such as shopping for a new car.

"Commerce is really changing, and classified is really, as you think about it, clearly as strong online as it is in print," Edmonds said.

 

[Jacka L Ope]

Perhaps something even better is happening: People are relying less on mass media and using the Internet more for their news source.

Not unusual these days. I might purchase a "news paper" now and again but have never been a regular subscriber to any.