Very very unprepared last night
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Don't Tread On Me
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Good idea, but not in a world of lawyers.
In most areas where I live, if you let a dog out unleashed even in your yard and he attacked someone....you have some problems to deal with.
Yes I know....what a world..
In most areas where I live, if you let a dog out unleashed even in your yard and he attacked someone....you have some problems to deal with.
Yes I know....what a world..
Lennyjoe
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20 guage shotgun stoked with #4 buckshot and the Kimber are in the bedroom with me at all times during the sleep cycle.
Rotweiller dog roaming the house. He's not big enough to be a factor yet....
And I do say yet. The dog is 8 weeks old and is already 15 lbs.
Rotweiller dog roaming the house. He's not big enough to be a factor yet....
And I do say yet. The dog is 8 weeks old and is already 15 lbs.
Do a search on "safe rooms".
When something odd outside house is going on, good time to call LEO (hint when any women are around having them call often helps response time).
Important 911 can be down or flooded when you need to get thru. Having direct numbers programed into phones for LEO & fire department wise idea.
When only two or three people in house you should stay together, even if only one is armed two sets of eyes are better than one.
Realize that home defense/security is (should be) a prepared defense. Sit down and think about how you would attack your house. Then start working on plan to make it harder to do. Real combat is about attacking weakness more than using strengths.
Develope a plan for what your going to do against specific threats/attacks and practice with your SO.
House clearing is a BAD idea if your really think goblins are present. You said you do IDPA which might make you think otherwise. But remember IDPA and such are a game, not like facing a real world opponent. And even if you do things right and catch a bad guy while clearing what do you do then??? Is he alone? You can't just shoot them unless they are immediate threat. How do you safely hold a bad guy and continue search??? Study safe room concept and use it. Make them come to you. Lights are good.
When something odd outside house is going on, good time to call LEO (hint when any women are around having them call often helps response time).
Important 911 can be down or flooded when you need to get thru. Having direct numbers programed into phones for LEO & fire department wise idea.
When only two or three people in house you should stay together, even if only one is armed two sets of eyes are better than one.
Realize that home defense/security is (should be) a prepared defense. Sit down and think about how you would attack your house. Then start working on plan to make it harder to do. Real combat is about attacking weakness more than using strengths.
Develope a plan for what your going to do against specific threats/attacks and practice with your SO.
House clearing is a BAD idea if your really think goblins are present. You said you do IDPA which might make you think otherwise. But remember IDPA and such are a game, not like facing a real world opponent. And even if you do things right and catch a bad guy while clearing what do you do then??? Is he alone? You can't just shoot them unless they are immediate threat. How do you safely hold a bad guy and continue search??? Study safe room concept and use it. Make them come to you. Lights are good.
Along similar lines, a neighbor's eldery in-law with Alzheimer's tried to get into my house via the front door. All of a sudden, the locked doorknob is rattling like crazy. I'm thinking, "!#$%, armed break-in!" I didn't own a gun at the time. I was just about to dial 911 when I took a quick peep (probably unwise) through a nearby window, which let me know what was up. I probably should have dailed 911 immediately to be safe and then call back and explain when it was clear it wasn't a real emergency. Typical guy thing of not wanting to look foolish, I guess.
A good reminder to be safe, but don't get overzealous when your adrenaline is pumping and blast a foolish 10-year-old prankster or senile old man. Check your targets
sumpnz
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In Arizona if you find a BG in your house you can shoot him as he is assumed to be a threat. Armed or not, charging or not, he still an assumed threat. No requirement to take prisoners unless you're feeling charitable.
Still I see your point, and when it comes the inevitable civil suit it would be easier to get it thrown out if you shot the BG in the chest/face when he busted through your locked bedroom door, than if you shot him in the back when you found him unplugging your stereo in the living room. Both would still be "good shoots" in AZ, but civil court is a different matter from criminal court.
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Rockrivr1
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I appreciate all the great advise here and to be honest, like I said before, I will be much more prepared in the future. To also be honest, I sure did have the adrenaline pumping while going through the house. I knew it was a bad idea, but I wanted to get to my gun before someone else did. I will NEVER make that mistake again. I used to live in a very small 3 room apartment for a long time. Now I have a big house and have to realize that upstairs bedroom to basement gun safe is a LONG way away. I mean I have several rifles and handguns, but for the most part I always keep my Sig close. Won't make that mistake again.
I've definitely learned a valuable lesson. I'm picking up a Mossberg 500A 20 inch 7 + 1 shotgun tonight to augment my Sig 229. My local shop also had some Remington Tactical 00 #9 buckshot that I picked up today as well. I figure this will be better then having my Rem 870 with a 28 inch barrel if I need to use it in the house. I told my girlfriend this and told her we are spending some time at the range having her get used to shooting both the shotgun and the hangun. I have to go out of town in a few weeks and she will be alone. I reminded her of this as I told her about the shotgun and she immediately indicates that she's not staying in the house alone. Great!!! Nice new house and she's afraid to stay in it.
If it is kids, I hope I run into them in the process of doing it again so I can wring their little necks.:banghead:
I've definitely learned a valuable lesson. I'm picking up a Mossberg 500A 20 inch 7 + 1 shotgun tonight to augment my Sig 229. My local shop also had some Remington Tactical 00 #9 buckshot that I picked up today as well. I figure this will be better then having my Rem 870 with a 28 inch barrel if I need to use it in the house. I told my girlfriend this and told her we are spending some time at the range having her get used to shooting both the shotgun and the hangun. I have to go out of town in a few weeks and she will be alone. I reminded her of this as I told her about the shotgun and she immediately indicates that she's not staying in the house alone. Great!!! Nice new house and she's afraid to stay in it.
If it is kids, I hope I run into them in the process of doing it again so I can wring their little necks.:banghead:
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sumpnz
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When I was a kid a couple of the neighbor kids thought it would be a lot of fun to harrass their neighbors (including my family) by ringing the doorbell and the running off. They were probably 10 at the time. Well, needless to say my mom didn't appreciate that very much. So, she found a good spot to hide out where they would likely see her as they approached the door. She killed the time waiting for them to show up with a good book. When they came around again she waited until they rang the door bell and started to run off. She then jumped up and caught them. Musta scared the crap out of those kids.
The downside to that story is the mom of one the kids was the wife of one of the top guys in the local Mafia. My mom said that on the one occasion she actually went into their house it looked the set of The Sopranos. Anyway, the mob mom didn't like my mom scaring her kid like that, and decided to come over (drunk, in the late-morning/early afternoon) and berate my mom for some time about how her sonny-boy was a good sonny-boy and wouldn't do crap like that. Luckily it never went beyond that.
As an aside, the mob dad eventually did prison time for, among other things, tax evasion, cocain trafficing, and gun running. His fronts for laundering the money were strip clubs and porno studios. One of his buddies got killed by a car bomb, and during the funeral reception at his house the FBI and such were parked just across the street taking photos of everyone coming and going. During one of his stints in jail, the Skippy Ice Creme truck made a number of 1-2 hour visits to the house. When she left him for a period of time, he had "actresses" and performers from his clubs rotating though his house. Apparently he would have them go out to get the newspaper. Strangely enough all the men in the neighborhood would get their newspapers at the same time.
The downside to that story is the mom of one the kids was the wife of one of the top guys in the local Mafia. My mom said that on the one occasion she actually went into their house it looked the set of The Sopranos. Anyway, the mob mom didn't like my mom scaring her kid like that, and decided to come over (drunk, in the late-morning/early afternoon) and berate my mom for some time about how her sonny-boy was a good sonny-boy and wouldn't do crap like that. Luckily it never went beyond that.
As an aside, the mob dad eventually did prison time for, among other things, tax evasion, cocain trafficing, and gun running. His fronts for laundering the money were strip clubs and porno studios. One of his buddies got killed by a car bomb, and during the funeral reception at his house the FBI and such were parked just across the street taking photos of everyone coming and going. During one of his stints in jail, the Skippy Ice Creme truck made a number of 1-2 hour visits to the house. When she left him for a period of time, he had "actresses" and performers from his clubs rotating though his house. Apparently he would have them go out to get the newspaper. Strangely enough all the men in the neighborhood would get their newspapers at the same time.
Standing Wolf
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On the proverbial "bright side," I'll bet you've learned your lesson without incurring exorbitant costs—and so will plenty of other people, too.
Oleg Volk
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Basic training in house clearing convinved me to sit tight instead. If moving about, at least have a trained buddy (your GF) with you.
CAPTAIN MIKE
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RULE # 10
Rule # 10: Teach your German Shepherd to use the Downstairs Shotgun and how to clear a room without giving away its tactical position.
Rule # 10: Teach your German Shepherd to use the Downstairs Shotgun and how to clear a room without giving away its tactical position.
rock jock
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Probably kids.
You should've shot 'em.
You should've shot 'em.
jimbo
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Thanks for this thread. It is a good reminder for all of us.
mustanger98
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I'm reminded of advise from a couple of other boards. The paintball grenades sound like a good idea, btw.
Anyhow, this one guy I'm thinking of- a Vietnam vet- was talking about how he's got two low-hanging phone wires, but they're dummies and the house phone is wireless. This guy's opinion, and I agree, is that you know your house better than a burglar will. Therefore, if you set up an ambush, it's right in line with the advise about "let them come to you".
Plenty of people talk about the psychological effect of the sound of a pump shotgun's action- you can either lay low and bust 'em suddenly, or you can rack that shotgun and move away from where you were standing so they still don't get a fix on your position. One way they're probably dead; the other way and they have the adrenaline problem and may not come on. Shotguns have always been mind changers.
One guy I heard about had two german shepherds trained to let a perp in and then not let 'em out.
Anyhow, this one guy I'm thinking of- a Vietnam vet- was talking about how he's got two low-hanging phone wires, but they're dummies and the house phone is wireless. This guy's opinion, and I agree, is that you know your house better than a burglar will. Therefore, if you set up an ambush, it's right in line with the advise about "let them come to you".
Plenty of people talk about the psychological effect of the sound of a pump shotgun's action- you can either lay low and bust 'em suddenly, or you can rack that shotgun and move away from where you were standing so they still don't get a fix on your position. One way they're probably dead; the other way and they have the adrenaline problem and may not come on. Shotguns have always been mind changers.
One guy I heard about had two german shepherds trained to let a perp in and then not let 'em out.
rayra
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Best advice now that you are both spooked and the guns are loaded is to have a REALLY good discussion with the missus so she doesn't accidentally shoot you one night when you get up to take a piss.
twoblink
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This problem is fairly easy to take care of..
Ingredients:
2 Paint stirring Sticks
2 pieces of cardboard paper, about 3 feet by 2 feet
1 Magic Marker
on each of the cardboard paper, write:
"Owner ARMED."
put the papers back to back, staple them onto the paint stirring sticks, and plant into front lawn. If your front lawn isn't that big or visible, RIGHT ABOVE THE DOOR BELL, is a GREAT place to put a sign like that..
You will be amazed what a $2 sign will do as far as crime reduction...
My co-worker had the same problem, turned out to be kids.. His solution:
a picture of him holding a 870 shotgun, with a caption: "Think before you ring."
above the doorbell..
He said he doesn't get door-to-door saleman now either
Ingredients:
2 Paint stirring Sticks
2 pieces of cardboard paper, about 3 feet by 2 feet
1 Magic Marker
on each of the cardboard paper, write:
"Owner ARMED."
put the papers back to back, staple them onto the paint stirring sticks, and plant into front lawn. If your front lawn isn't that big or visible, RIGHT ABOVE THE DOOR BELL, is a GREAT place to put a sign like that..
You will be amazed what a $2 sign will do as far as crime reduction...
My co-worker had the same problem, turned out to be kids.. His solution:
a picture of him holding a 870 shotgun, with a caption: "Think before you ring."
above the doorbell..
He said he doesn't get door-to-door saleman now either
1911Tuner
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Harmless Kids
Be aware that a 12 or 13 year-old can kill you just as dead as an adult...
and probably get away with it to boot.
Be aware that a 12 or 13 year-old can kill you just as dead as an adult...
and probably get away with it to boot.
Lot of stuff in this thread - only thing i can add (or maybe it has already) is that our CHL instructor pretty much told us that a "common" mistake by people is that they go to a range and practice - then leave thier guns totally empty and leave... (and then do whatever for the rest of the day/night) if there ever was a nearly useless thing - its an empty gun.
J/Tharg!
Edit - OH and there are 7 dogs IN my house - and 13 outside of it - i pretty much know when ANYTHING happens around my house (including a cow commin around moo'ing....) Some might say the barking would be constant and i'd ignore it - but i've learned my dogs - there is a definite dif in "someone driving up/'something here' bark" and "those damned cows i can't chew are here again bark" =) heh - helps two of em are mastiffs, 1 lab big enough to BE a mastiff(heh AKC believe it or not... would never make a show qual to save his life... rofl - i call him my hefalump), another lab, a Boxer w/ a "ain't something i'm used to seeing complex" and two lil yappy dogs that will bark at thier own shadow <rofl> Heh delivery guy came round to day - the outside dogs said something to the inside dogs who barked in a way i knew someone was here- looked outside and yeap - gf was looking up the driveway - smiling so didn't think anything was wrong <grin>
J/Tharg!
Edit - OH and there are 7 dogs IN my house - and 13 outside of it - i pretty much know when ANYTHING happens around my house (including a cow commin around moo'ing....) Some might say the barking would be constant and i'd ignore it - but i've learned my dogs - there is a definite dif in "someone driving up/'something here' bark" and "those damned cows i can't chew are here again bark" =) heh - helps two of em are mastiffs, 1 lab big enough to BE a mastiff(heh AKC believe it or not... would never make a show qual to save his life... rofl - i call him my hefalump), another lab, a Boxer w/ a "ain't something i'm used to seeing complex" and two lil yappy dogs that will bark at thier own shadow <rofl> Heh delivery guy came round to day - the outside dogs said something to the inside dogs who barked in a way i knew someone was here- looked outside and yeap - gf was looking up the driveway - smiling so didn't think anything was wrong <grin>
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Rockrivr1
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Well the girlfriend and I made it through the night last night without anyone ringing the doorbell. Hopefully that is the last I've heard from the late nate doorbell ringer.
Girlfriend felt a lot better this morning. She's still not sure if she's going to stay home alone when I'm away though. Oh well.
I'm not going to let my guard down though and will hopefully be ready for anything that may come up in the future.
Thanks again for all the great advise!
Girlfriend felt a lot better this morning. She's still not sure if she's going to stay home alone when I'm away though. Oh well.
I'm not going to let my guard down though and will hopefully be ready for anything that may come up in the future.
Thanks again for all the great advise!
jpIII
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I agree with some of the posters here that it was probably a drunk,..
my sister in laws story.....
she awoke one morning to find a guy (college student) asleep on here couch!!
She didn't know who he was or why he was there, but he was asleep on the couch and reaked of alcohol!
Her roommate had left the door unlocked and this guy entered the wrong house (he ment to go next door), and he crashed on her couch all night with no one waking up!!!
The really hard part was waking him up as he was STILL drunk from the night before.
well... she got rid of that roommate, and now has guns, and a very loyal dalmation. she also makes sure that doors are locked..
but that is no reason to drop your guard, it could just as easily been someone up to no good.
JP
my sister in laws story.....
she awoke one morning to find a guy (college student) asleep on here couch!!
She didn't know who he was or why he was there, but he was asleep on the couch and reaked of alcohol!
Her roommate had left the door unlocked and this guy entered the wrong house (he ment to go next door), and he crashed on her couch all night with no one waking up!!!
The really hard part was waking him up as he was STILL drunk from the night before.
well... she got rid of that roommate, and now has guns, and a very loyal dalmation. she also makes sure that doors are locked..
but that is no reason to drop your guard, it could just as easily been someone up to no good.
JP
Greybeard7
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Thanks for an awareness post!
My doorbell has finally conked out, and I needed this to be more aware of the possibilities.
I've had some of those late night doorbell experiences in the past. In my neighborhood, it probably was kids. But you never know.
Some good ideas for increasing personal and property security.
Thanks to everyone who contibuted their ideas.
GB7
My doorbell has finally conked out, and I needed this to be more aware of the possibilities.
I've had some of those late night doorbell experiences in the past. In my neighborhood, it probably was kids. But you never know.
Some good ideas for increasing personal and property security.
Thanks to everyone who contibuted their ideas.
GB7
ExtremeDooty
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I hear you have good weather out there too. I'm thinnking about moving there. Any jobs for electronic field engineers out there?
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