VID: Kid shoots himself with a Full-Auto Glock.

[silverlance]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11fcg543Jow

If that is not a legally owned Glock 18, or if they are not part of some government sanctioned agency... big illegalities there.

1. foreward grip on a handgun - illegal
2. full auto on a handgun - illegal

But legalities aside, Here's some tips to remember when shooting handguns if you want to keep all your fingers.

1. DO NOT place your supporting hand anywhere near the muzzle. That includes balling your fist and using your left wrist as a support; trying to hold your gun as if it was a rifle, cupping your hand around the muzzle end of the frame; holding your frame and slide in left hand and shooting from the hip. I've see it all.

2. DO NOT let any part of your hands come in contact with the slide. There are people who like to hook a finger around the trigger guard, then put their thumb on the slide. same goes for sticking leaving your thumbs in the path of the recoiling slide.

3. When using the slide release to chamber a round, EXPECT the gun to go bang even though it is not supposed to. Anyone remember BamBam31's Makarov that went full auto? And left a hole in his left hand? Keep your supporting hand out of the line of fire if the gun goes bang. Slam fires happen.

4. DO NOT pick up rounds off the ground at the range and say to yourself, "Lookee here, I gots me some free ammo!" You WILL pick up some idiot's overcharged round designed to be fired in a TC with half-inch thick chamber walls. It WILL blow up your gun and, if you are exceptionally unlucky, part of your hand as well.

5. When shooting a revolver, DO NOT allow any part of your body be covered by any part of the cylinder. Enough conscripts lost their fingers to escaped gas during the turn of the last century that the Russian military required their 7.62 Nagant pistol to have a gas-sealing cylinder design. Like spring loaded firing pins, this is another Russian safety feature that seems to have been discarded in favor of idiocies like magazine disconnects and integrated child locks. If you put your left thumb in front of the cylinder of, say, a S&W 500, you WILL blow off part of your thumb. That gas is superheated and escaping at high velocity. Your skin is no match for it.

Now rifles, that's another subject. But enough for today.

 

[.cheese.]

wow.... just.... wow.

this is why safety comes before fun when at the range.

Despite how incredibly stupid that was, especially if that whole rig was illegal (I don't know who they work for) - I feel bad for the guy. Any idea if he was ok?

 

[rainbowbob]

When shooting a revolver, DO NOT allow any part of your body be covered by any part of the cylinder.

Thanks for pointing this out. I hadn't thought about this, but it would probably rule out shooting a revolver from a retention position - unless you just had no other choice. I suppose if it was an extreme situation, and you had enough clothing between you and the blast, you could get away with it. But it sounds like it wouldn't be a good thing to practice.

 

[cleardiddion]

/cringe....

 

[Rustynuts]

Who would want one anyway? That thing looks pretty uncontrollable.

+ If you put an illegal front grip on, at least do it right so you don't shoot yourself when it falls off! Idiots.

 

[Rumble]

It didn't look like he shot himself - it looks like a fearsome slide bite or some sort of pinch from the front of the gun. He was flexing his hand and looking at it as he walked away.

Not to dispute the safety problem with messing around with your hand near the front of the gun.

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

Way, how incredibly dangerous and stupid.

I can't say he deserved to get shot...But don't be stupid and things like this won't happen.

slide bite or some sort of pinch from the front of the gun.

Listen around 39 seconds.

"Did you get shot?" "Yeah"

 

[Rumble]

I had the sound off. It still doesn't look like he got shot to me, but I'll take his word for it. His hand and hole therein, after all.

 

[rainbowbob]

Listen around 39 seconds.

"Did you get shot?" "Yeah"

I'm not sure we can trust the fellow in the video to know WTH really happened. Just because he says he got shot doesn't mean he did. Furthermore, I don't know how any of you can tell what happened from watching the video. I didn't get a clear view of where his hands were or what happened. I'll I could see was an "owey" on his hand when he turned toward the camera.

 

[Wes Janson]

As I understand it..If it's a post-sample converted G17, then the fore-grip doesn't matter, as the weapon is considered legally a machinegun, not an Any Other Weapon. You could also put a shoulder stock on it-same thing.

Assuming that was indeed a fore-grip lying on the ground at the end of the video, it seems that the grip somehow detached itself from the frame during the burst, while he was pulling the muzzle downwards. Push outward on grip, push downwards on pistol, and blammo, quick trip to the ER. It's tough to tell from the video, but it's possible he was only burnt from the muzzle flash rather than actually shot.

 

[WinchesterAA]

I saw..

Kid go full auto, hand slip off of foregrip, kill still going full auto, swept his hand which was still trying to figure out why it is no longer holding the foregrip..

IE - The same kinda problem people seem to have with straps on mac10s.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

The vertical foregrip came off, it's on the ground at the end. Dunno if he shot himself or got some nasty slide bite or VFG pinch when it came off.

It looked like he had a FSSG selector since the guy turned it to auto at the rear instead of on the side like a g18.

Those are not illegal to SOT/LE/Mil. Not enough info to tell if they were not but I imagine a public range might ask them to leave if they were shooting that without creds.

If he did shoot himself the split second where they showed it didn't look too bad but who knows, vid ended about 30 seconds too early.

 

[rocinante]

looks like the slide pinched his hand to me.

 

[SDC]

It definitely looks like he managed to hit the "release" button on the MP-5K-style forward grip, so when he pushed forward on it, his off hand jumped up in front of the muzzle. There's a bullet-sized hole in the web of his hand between the thumb and forefinger, and he might've gotten lucky and avoided hitting any bone with a through-and-through shot in that spot.

 

[lax]

The foregrip broke off. His left hand went towards target and right hand and gun moved towards his body. This positioned his left hand in front of the muzzle. Not a good location.

 

[Lucky]

2. DO NOT let any part of your hands come in contact with the slide.

You'd better edit that one. Your fingers can touch the side of the slide and never be bothered. And you can put your entire hand on the back of the slide and hold it there when firing, it's a technique for contact shots to keep the slide in battery.


WinchesterAA what problems are those? More details pls.

 

[Rumble]

Actually, on a closer look, the little black mark on his hand is a bit larger than I originally thought. Perhaps he did give himself a new place to store pencils. I feel bad for the guy, even if he made a mistake.

 

[RyanM]

It was probably an SOT letting a couple buddies try out some of the cooler toys. Does look like they should've warned the guy better about the foregrip, like "keep your fingers away from this little button here."

 

[3pairs12]

It looked like he swept his buddies after shooting himself too.

 

[BlazingAngel01]

With a sharp eye you can tell he was Not Shot. Very close though the handle broke off.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

5 is a bad one i got lead from 30 years ago in my left hand from being ydfoc and shooting plus p's outa a light framed 38

 

[silverlance]

Oh, he shot himself all right.
If you look closely you can see blood spots on the floor. You can see a huge hole in his hand at the end of the clip. And in slow motion you can definitely see the gun firing directly into his hand which is still holding the vertical foregrip, no longer attached.

As for never contacting the slide... you're right, pushing your entire hand against the slide can keep the gun in battery. But when that gun recoils, you better be prepared for that recoiling hunk of steel to come flying back. A whole palm might keep it from recoiling; a fingertip will most likely get bent.

 

[brentn]

Looks like he was using a forward grip and it slipped off. You can clearly see him holding the forward grip where the glock used to be in mid air, the glock recoiled back and hit him right in the top of the hand. Inbetween the thumb and index finger.

WOW

Well, its official, I won't be using a forward grip on my glock, even though it isn't full auto I don't think I could trust one. Its just putting your hand toooo close to the muzzle.
Anyone else agree?

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

Perhaps he did give himself a new place to store pencils.

LOL...I'll stick with the pencil holder on my desk thank you very much.

Oh, he shot himself all right.
If you look closely you can see blood spots on the floor. You can see a huge hole in his hand at the end of the clip. And in slow motion you can definitely see the gun firing directly into his hand which is still holding the vertical foregrip, no longer attached.

Yep...Plus that hole is too perfecly round to be slide bite.

BTW...Reason #475,585 why indoor ranges suck!

Everytime I see a video like this, it makes me appreciate my $80.00 a year range that when I go I am the only person there 9 times out of 10.

 

[CWL]

2. DO NOT let any part of your hands come in contact with the slide.

I don't agree with this one. I was trained to wrap my support hand around strong hand and let my support thumb ride the slide. Sounded scary to me at first, but now that's the only way I can shoot. Never come close to an injury.