Vintage L.C. Pickup

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Hello everyone!

Just here to get some opinions on my most recent gun show purchase. I noticed this 0 grade L.C. Smith and couldn't help but look at it numerous times. I'm a sucker for the old guns, the older the better in my case. It dates to 1898, has a damascus barrel and is very well used. However, I only paid $350 after some discussion with the seller, so I am happy about the price. Blue book has this model in 10% condition for $500. Hoping I got a good deal.

The wood is in pretty good shape overall. There are actually no chips in the stock near the butt plate where chips are frequently found. It is a bit scratched up, but there are absolutly no cracks anywhere in the wood components. It is a little warped(?) and oxidized on the underside where the metal meets the wood under the reciever. Other than that small area, wood is great.

Also no recoil pad or any extras. This baby is original and really shows it.

The triggers, safety, break, and ejectors all work perfect and the bores are pretty clean.

Reciever and nearly all metal components have turned a very dark patina. Obviously no case-color left on reciever, but I was well aware of that walking into this. Damascus barrels are in OK shape except for a small (.5'' by 2'') spot of rust on the tip of the left barrel near the muzzle. Very minimal and this is the only real rust I can find on the gun. No pits anywhere. I am really amazed by the texture/look to the damascus twist steel in the barrels. It really catches my eye.

Here are some pictures:
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Here is the rust spot on the left front barrel.
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Sorry for the blurryness, I will be putting up more soon.

As for shooting this thing, I am going to have a good gunsmith check it out, and also look for some ultra-low pressure 12 gauge loads. I'm also going to try and find out if this gun was chambered for black-powder or smokeless powder charges. Maybe some of you true history buffs could help me on this one. Its an 1898 mfg.

More pictures to come and let me know what you think!
 
Besides RST, Polywad is another maker of "Vintager" style low pressure loads for older guns. Second the suggestion on getting the chamber sized - it most likely is 2-1/2, NOT 2-3/4. As Dasmascus barrels don't handle modern pressures very well, that could be enough to do damage. Hopefully your 'smith is knowledgeable on old guns - not too many are
 
Thanks for the info guys. I will definatly have the chamber length checked, as well as the barrels.

Also, thanks for that link to the ammo 451, exactly what I was looking for. Will hopefully take it in to the shop this weekend to get the chamber and what-not checked out.

P.S. Just slipped a regular 2,3/4'' shell in there and it fits perfect. Not sure how much a difference there would be from 2,1/2'' to 2,3/4'' but I'm assuming it would stick out a little more. Still going to have my smith confirm it.

P.S.S. Just disassembled the gun and found the patent dates. Can't quite make out some stuff but I'll type what I can read: DMAR 29, 83
13, 86
OCT(?) 5, 86
Serial numbder 103,4xx
O = 0 grade.
More pictures coming soon.
 
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2 3/4 is the length of the shell when fired so yes it will fit in a 2 1/2 chamber. Problem comes when the wad has to force its way through the forcing cone with the unfolded crimp in the way. Measure a standard shotshell and you will see what I mean. Bear in mind roll crimps were used when that shotgun was made and the difference be fired and unfired length was only about a 1/4 inch.
 
I see what you mean. I will have my Smith look at it for sure. In the mean time, here are some more pictures.


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And here it is with my "bird dog," who really isn't trained to set, hunt, or point birds. He's just a rather lazy English Setter
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"Bushed" firing pins are a nice touch - as mentioned, chambering is for a fired shell so have it checked; but 2-1/2" shells will work nicely for everything anyway
 
Look at the face of the breech, there are bushing around the firing pins. This allows for easy cleaning and replacement.
 
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