Voter fraud in NH

[Glock Glockler]

After I voted I went outside to the back of the polling station to sit down for a few minutes (I had a mild headache after stading on the huge lines with ugly people shouting). A pack of socialists we're walking by and didnt notice me as they were laughing about their little stunt: they had taken off from work (big surprise) and voted at multiple location, some even 8 times during the day!

They simply got a piece of mail delivered to a house of another Democrat and took that as proof of residency and then voted in multiple wards. There is a serious problem with lack of voting restrictions. I know of a few Canadians and a Brit who are not citizens and are just here on work Visas, guess what? They voted. My roommate speaks fluent Spanish and was able to understand a few Democrats coaching a group of illegal Mexicans on how to fill out the ballots, who then proceeded to vote. There are hordes of college students who are not NH residents, they pay out of state tuition, who vote here.

I even overheard this conversation:

Ugly Hippie girl wearing Kerry Button - "Um, excuse me, can I register here to vote"

Moron polling worker - "Are you registered to vote anywhere else"?

UHG - "Yes, I am registered in Kittery, Maine"

MPW - "Do you have proof of residency for Dover NH"?

UGH - "Yes, I have a catalog with my name on it"

MPW - "Oh, ok, Just fill out your name and address here and get a ballot at the end of the table"

My jaw almost hit the floor at that point. I then questioned the moron poll worker saying that UGH admitted she was registered out of state and she just assisted in voting fraud. She responded that as long as she has proof of residency there is nothing they can do.

Although I cannot confirm it I have heard of Democrats (Teamsters) from Massachusetts who have come up and registered using the mail trick. I don't knwo what it is like in other states but it seems that here you don't have to proove that you're a citizen in order to vote, all you have to do is prove that you recieve mail here. There is no centralized method of determining if the same person voted in multiple locations.

What is the story in your neck of the woods, do people have to prove their a citizen? Do they have to present an in state driver's license along with a matching utility bill? Is there a main computer system that records when someone casts a vote so they cannot do so again?

There was foul play here, BIG TIME, and we need to take serious steps in order to correct it.

 

[duckslayer]

In Texas, we have to register at least a month before the election. And they do record when you show up to vote so you cannot vote again (if they catch it I suppose). You can only vote in your assigned precinct on election day (you can vote anywhere in the county early though). I don't think you have to prove citizenship to register however, which is unfortunate.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Dunno. I have lived in one town and been registered to vote in one town that I don't have a clue what the current requirements are. Shame on me ... I think I need to find out. I know that when I showed up, my name was on a list and I showed my driver's license to prove that I am me. But I don't know if my town or state now accepts instant registration at the polls, nor do I know if some bogus piece of mail would have provided proof of residency instead of my driver's license.

It is truly shameful that people will stoop so low to subvert the democratic process. Overall, it just reinforces my beliefs that (a) the two-party system is irretrievably broken and should be officially abandoned, and (b) that the candidates need to stop trying to force-feed us their hand-picked cronies and start running candidates people want to vote FOR. Much more than any election I can remember (and that's a bunch), this election has been characterized by nobody, on either side, actually voting FOR a candidate because they felt he was a good candidate. This election has all been about voting AGAINST one candidate or the other. The final result is not going to tell us anything about the direction America really wants the government to go, it's only going to tell us which candidate was disliked/hated by more people.

What a sad commentary on what was once a great political system.

 

[Henry Bowman]

Any attempt at limiting voting to one per living elegible person is characterized by the Dems as "trying to prevent people from voting" (as if that is necessarily a bad thing). If voter fraud was goring their ox, they would support reform. After the 2000 election, they called for abolishment of the EC in favor of the popular vote for president. Not this year!

The Repubs in the House and especially the Senate do not know how to be in power. Liberal media on TV this morning were talking about how the Repubs will go about "reaching across the aisle to unify." I say, "Why?" Why not act like we won and push a conservative agenda. Why give away every erned advantage just to be and look "nice?" If the RINOs are afraid that such behavior will get them unelected next time, then let the "safe" members (i.e., from Idaho, etc.) take the lead.

 

[SMMAssociates]

Hawk:

>>Dunno. I have lived in one town and been registered to vote in one town that I don't have a clue what the current requirements are. Shame on me ... I think I need to find out. I know that when I showed up, my name was on a list and I showed my driver's license to prove that I am me. But I don't know if my town or state now accepts instant registration at the polls, nor do I know if some bogus piece of mail would have provided proof of residency instead of my driver's license.<<

If you're like me, and I think you are , you need only step outside your door and speak to the folks with the pitchforks and torches who object to your signs....

Seriously, it certainly looks like the registration process has been subverted in many cases. I don't remember what I did to register, but I do recall a poll worker showing me how to work a clay tablet and stylus.... Well, not really, but we had those monster machines, and I think I had to show my driver's license to sign up. What I don't remember is where.

The kid (she'll be 19 in January) registered online by way of some forms we downloaded and mailed in. I think (you'd think I'd remember) that we had to include a copy of her license. Which, for once, wasn't already at the Courthouse. (She likes State Patrol escorts....)

>>It is truly shameful that people will stoop so low to subvert the democratic process. Overall, it just reinforces my beliefs that (a) the two-party system is irretrievably broken and should be officially abandoned, and (b) that the candidates need to stop trying to force-feed us their hand-picked cronies and start running candidates people want to vote FOR. <<

I'm wondering about that.... Seems like the nature of the beast today is that if a guy isn't squeaky clean (if the media doesn't like you), he's toast. In any case, we seem to get candidates that can afford to pay their way, and have thick enough skin to survive the inevitible "examination". Or, like Kerry, are loved by the media to the point that a disreputable background is ignored.

I don't think it's irretrievably broken, but it sure needs repairs.

>>...it's only going to tell us which candidate was disliked/hated by more people.

What a sad commentary on what was once a great political system.<<

OTOH, it's still better than being told who the Government wants to win....

Now, it's time to push out the dirt on Kerry that we have - to be sure that the Joe Sixpacks who voted for him realize the mess they almost caused, and to start digging the dirt on Hillary 'cause we'll likely get to vote against her in 2008.

(I'm also pleased to see that Capri Cafaro got trounced by the Republican incumbent in her district. Lots of money, absolutely no political experience, and a strong Misled Mommies attitude. OTOH, that Obama guy got elected. He's going to be a problem in IL.... Kerry clone in re RKBA. )

Regards,

 

[fivepaknh]

Glock Glockler

Sent me an email. [email protected]

I've seen reports from other people that have witnessed voter fraud. One actually worked at a polling place in Manchester. I've got a few people here at work that want to petition the state attorney general to investigate voter fraud. I find it hard to believe that in 2000 NH leaned heavily toward the republicans in the election, but in 2004 it did a 180 degree turn. This Union Leader article about the record voter registrations on the 2nd causes one to think. http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=46510
I believe we were invaded by fraudulent voters from our neighboring liberal states.

 

[El Tejon]

Time to contact your friendly, local USA.

 

[Glock Glockler]

Tejon,

USA?

 

[El Tejon]

USA=United States Attorney.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Maybe we need to borrow some of that ink from the Afghani polling places. You vote, you get ink on your hand. Can't vote again.

 

[TimH]

They ought to make a voting card that comes with your 1040 tax filing form.

 

[sundog]

Well, I was thinking more like get a ballot when you pay your ad velorem tax. You know, just landowners, like it used to be.... sundog

 

[SMMAssociates]

They ought to make a voting card that comes with your 1040 tax filing form.

Time was that property ownership and literacy were a requirement, too.

The really funny thing.... My daughter voted (absentee - she's away at College) for the first time this year. We won't talk about who she voted for, but she did call me and ask about the various tax levies. "I don't pay these taxes, and don't know if I should vote for them."

Unbelievable....

IAC, except maybe for the kid, the general rule is that if it's possible to vote "bread and circuses" for yourself, most people will. This is a good part of what brought Rome down and may get us yet.

To a great extent, this is why I laughed at the FL shenanigans in 2000. If you're not smart enough to figure out how to vote, perhaps you're not smart enough to vote at all. Being bussed in to vote for "Joe" just doesn't cut it for me.

(FWIW, we use electronic voting machines here. I trust the local County Board of Elections about as far as I can throw them, but the results generally followed traditional results, so either it was clean, or the fraud levels haven't changed. )

 

[moa]

I do believe that vote fraud or tampering is now a Federal felony. Did you guys hear about the voting machines in Philadelphia? Some came preloaded with thousands of votes. Fortunately, it appears the fraud was discovered.

In my county and state of MD we registered voters get a sample ballot in the mail with the address of the poll station. Go there and announce your name. Only verifiction they do is ask for your date of birth and they check the home address on a list they have and mark it up that I have voted.

 

[SMMAssociates]

Moa:

Last I heard the Philadelphia "problem" was being explained as "testing wasn't cleared". Dunno if that's true or not, and nothing would surprise me.

Otherwise, we do essentially the same thing. The poll workers have a book, and we just tell 'em who we're representing ourselves to be. Nobody's ever asked me for an ID, although I often show a my OL anyway. My last name is a little odd....

I would prefer that they at least ask for an ID. "Cross-checking" my name by asking me to verify my address isn't quite enough.

I was over at my favorite gun shop yesterday as a guy was showing his driver's license during a (LARGE) purchase. The shop owner remarked that the license didn't look like his. (OH has a hologram.) One of the counterkids produced his OL, and it had the same hologram. I finally asked the owner to show us his, and he admitted that he'd left it at home. Not a problem for this guy - EVERYBODY knows him, but....

 

[Leatherneck]

In Ye Olde Dominion, you have to announce your name and address out loud (so people standing around can challenge you---in theory), which the polling official checks against his list of registered voters, then you have to show a picture ID (new last year, IIRC), which also must match.

Not impossible to defraud, but not simple either.

TC
TFL Survivor

 

[DigMe]

Yeah, I always carry a catalog in my wallet to use as ID.

brad cook

 

[Glock Glockler]

The point of the catalog was to establish residency in that town, and since she had a catalog with her name on it she was therefore a resident and could then vote.

 

[DigMe]

The point of the catalog was to establish residency in that town, and since she had a catalog with her name on it she was therefore a resident and could then vote.

Yes, I understand that. I was making a joke to highlight the idiocy of that policy.

brad cook

 

[SMMAssociates]

Actually, when you think about it, the catalog, plus a valid ID from the State, probably isn't as silly as it sounds.

Point being that people move around, and in most areas, voting is by "precinct" or some other small subdivision (think "neighborhood"), because of various tax and "local option" issues.

(In OH, at least, liquor sales are local option. IOW, if somebody want's to build a bar down the street from me, he has to have permission from the voters on my street. So a voter from across the township wouldn't be permitted to vote for or against that particular line item on the ballot.)

(Yeah - it's not "street" level, but that's the simplest explanation if you're not used to local option.)

Since people do move, being able to show that I'm an OH resident, by virtue of a valid OL or other State-issued document, really doesn't establish me as permitted to vote "here" without some other documentation that shows that I'm now living "here"....

Guess there could be a better way - in particular, to tell the Board that you've moved before the election - but that appears to be past the capability of some people. Particularly if they've lived someplace long enough to get a mail-order catalog. OTOH, those things do appear to multiply in my mailbox....

 

[Glock Glockler]

One can request a catalog and get it in a matter of days. I would argue that one should be able to produce:

- proof of US citizenship
- current State ID with a photo and an address that matches the below
- A piece of mail in that town
- register to vote in advance and then the voter will be assigned a voting location
- they must sign in when voting and their signature must match their ID
- the sign in lists will be linked to all other voting locations in case that person tries to vote at anywhere else.

- I'd also like a driver's license requirement that when someone moves to a town they get a letter from their former town that they give up their former registration in the other town.

That would go a long way to reducing voter fraud.