VZ 58 VS galil

[nalioth]

Barrels made with Steyr techniques? Sure, everyone uses those.

define everyone... i can go a LONG list of currently issued wartoys that don't.

Nobody is coming out to say "We use Steyr techniques."

Steyr has been in business since the 1400s.

Everyone in the arms business uses some of their techniques.

 

[Ash]

The VZ uses a different method than the FAL for locking. The FAL tips the bolt. The VZ has lugs that move from the bolt into recesses. They both have vertical movement instead of the AK's rotary movement, but they are different.

Ash

 

[Evil Monkey]

this is the same system of the BAR, FAL, and SKS. perhaps an FAL or SKS in 7.62? the falling block actions ARE more dust sensitive than an AK. but they are inherently more accurate.

edit:nevermind

read above post

 

[1911Gunslinger]

VZ58 has a larger ejection port, better ergonomics and parts kits complete minus receiver can be had for 100.00 or slightly more. Galils are more expensive (except the garbage from Century) and parts are hard to come by and expensive as well. Accuracy is about the same.

 

[gunnie]

ATTN: Ash

Nobody is coming out to say "We use Steyr techniques."

Steyr has been in business since the 1400s.

Everyone in the arms business uses some of their techniques.


i think they are refering to hammer forged rifling, as done in their case on steyr made machinery. has the advantage of stress releiving the metal as it is formed, and a generally smoother finish on the I.D. than most production rifling has. same used by steyr, HK, and FN made/liscensed FAL rifles...probably some others i am not aware of, but surely not "everyone"....

Ash,

pls expand...am not sure i understand your description. how do the lugs operate from the bolt? do you know of a good link to this info? [with pics for the reading impaired]

thanks beforehand,
gunnie

 

[Mahk]

I'd have to go with the VZ58, though I may be a bit biased. In my opinion, as cool as they are, the Galil weighs far more than any 5.56 rifle should. And while the numbers between the VZ and the Galil (or most AKs) don't indicate that there is that much of a weight difference, you simply have to hold the VZ to understand. Not only is it lighter, but the weight is distributed more effectively than the Galil. As far as reliability? They are both utterly reliable weapons that have proven themselves in combat. The VZ is definitely an odd duck and TRULY has nothing in common with the AK or any other rifle I've had the pleasure of tinkering with. Here are some comparison pictures of mine next to my M70AB2 to give you an idea.

 

[Ash]

You can see a photo of the bolt above. The locking lugs are just below it. I have lifted a photo to show how it locks. When the bolt is in the forward position, the lugs slide down and lock the action together. As the action works after firing, the carrier slides back and then retracts the lugs upward which then allows the bolt to slide backwards.

Ash

 

[gunnie]

Mahk and Ash,

OK, i get it now, thanks for the pics.

gunnie