Walmart reports school project to police... secret service investigates.

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Wal-Mart Turns in Student’s Anti-Bush Photo, Secret Service Investigates Him
By Matthew Rothschild
October 4, 2005

Selina Jarvis is the chair of the social studies department at Currituck County High School in North Carolina, and she is not used to having the Secret Service question her or one of her students.

But that’s what happened on September 20.

Jarvis had assigned her senior civics and economics class “to take photographs to illustrate their rights in the Bill of Rights,” she says. One student “had taken a photo of George Bush out of a magazine and tacked the picture to a wall with a red thumb tack through his head. Then he made a thumb’s down sign with his own hand next to the President’s picture, and he had a photo taken of that, and he pasted it on a poster.”

According to Jarvis, the student, who remains anonymous, was just doing his assignment, illustrating the right to dissent.

But over at the Kitty Hawk Wal-Mart, where the student took his film to be developed, this right is evidently suspect.

An employee in that Wal-Mart photo department called the Kitty Hawk police on the student. And the Kitty Hawk police turned the matter over to the Secret Service.

On Tuesday, September 20, the Secret Service came to Currituck High.“At 1:35, the student came to me and told me that the Secret Service had taken his poster,” Jarvis says. “I didn’t believe him at first. But they had come into my room when I wasn’t there and had taken his poster, which was in a stack with all the others.”

She says the student was upset.

“He was nervous, he was scared, and his parents were out of town on business,” says Jarvis.

She, too, had to talk to the Secret Service.

“Halfway through my afternoon class, the assistant principal got me out of class and took me to the office conference room,” she says. “Two men from the Secret Service were there. They asked me what I knew about the student. I told them he was a great kid, that he was in the homecoming court, and that he’d never been in any trouble.”

Then they got down to his poster.

“They asked me, didn’t I think that it was suspicious,” she recalls. “I said no, it was a Bill of Rights project!”

At the end of the meeting, they told her the incident “would be interpreted by the U.S. attorney, who would decide whether the student could be indicted,” she says.

The student was not indicted, and the Secret Service did not pursue the case further.

“I blame Wal-Mart more than anybody,” she says. “I was really disgusted with them. But everyone was using poor judgment, from Wal-Mart up to the Secret Service.”

A person in the photo department at the Wal-Mart in Kitty Hawk said, “You have to call either the home office or the authorities to get any information about that.”

Jacquie Young, a spokesperson for Wal-Mart at company headquarters, did not provide comment within a 24-hour period.

Sharon Davenport of the Kitty Hawk Police Department said, “We just handed it over” to the Secret Service. “No investigative report was filed.”

Jonathan Scherry, spokesman for the Secret Service in Washington, D.C., said, “We certainly respect artistic freedom, but we also have the responsibility to look into incidents when necessary. In this case, it was brought to our attention from a private citizen, a photo lab employee.”

Jarvis uses one word to describe the whole incident: “ridiculous.”
 
Man.
That's unbelievable.
Slowly our rights are being widdled away. =(
I just went to Currituck a few weeks ago, too...got family there.
 
That is a sad story. The government has succeeded in turning everyone into a snitch. Big Brother is watching. Everyone will fear their neighbor. Just like in a police-state like Nazi Germany or Stalin's USSR, or today's wonderful North Korea.
 
To say the Secret Service had poor judgment doesn't make sense. It sounds like the investigated it, found the kid was clean, reported that, and the US AG decided it wasn't a big deal. It is against the law to make threats against the President and it is the Secret Service's job to investigate. I would also imagine the photo lab at Walmart has policies on looking for illegal activity and reporting it. I am sure the main one is child pornography, but threatening the President is just as illegal.

I think they handled it well. I don't think this is a good example of zero tolerance because someone used discretion and the kid didn't go to jail and he wasn't expelled for making terrorist threats. I know a little bit about zero tolerance, I am writing my master's thesis on it right now!
 
Took a naked picture of my wife once (not really naked, she was in the bathtub with my kid and nothing was showing on either one). Had the roll developed at a local wal mart in Georgia but when the pictures came back the negative was there but there was no print and the contact sheet they provide didn't show the picture either. It was as if the Wal Mart employees had erased the picture from the roll of film that was developed.

Won't have them process film any more (but was stuck with them that one time as my wife needed another picture on the roll that afternoon)
 
I don't have a problem with Wal-Mart (in this case). What they did was reasonable under the broad definition used at that level. A citizen saw something that just didn't look right to their untrained eye, and sought a professional opinion. From there up, it gets ridiculous. I can even go so far as to understand the local PD forwarding it. By itself it is nothing but, put with other threats from the same person, it could be more credible. The Secret Service would be the ones to be aware of other threats. The Secret Service were a bit heavy handed. Having nothing but this one poster, and a plausable explaination for it, they should have said thank you for your cooperation and have a nice day.
 
jsalcedo said:
“...Halfway through my afternoon class, the assistant principal got me out of class and took me to the office conference room,” she says. “Two men from the Secret Service were there. They asked me what I knew about the student...”

We have ways of making you talk! :eek:
 
Michigander said:

Not really. Was the result anything like what would have happened in 1984? No. So the comparison is utterly flawed.

If George Orwell knew how his book would have been misused and misapplied, I doubt he would have written it.
 
This kid obviously presented a possible threat to our President - the greatest of our time - and Walmart and the Secret Service did exactly the right thing in investigating this. I hope they indict him/her, along with that screwy teacher who put the kid up to it. What better way to REALLY learn about the Bill of Rights than an indictment, trial and subsequent incarceration in a gulag of the governments choice. That'll really teach them how little it means. ;)
 
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It was probably the red pushpin that caused the most trouble. Could have been thought indicative of a gunshot, laser aimfinder or somthing like that.

The kid would have been better off drawing devil horns and goatee, or that Hitler mustashe, a dunce cap, stinking pile of dung, etc...
 
This kid obviously presented a possible threat to our President - the greatest of our time -

Now that's laughable. How can he have an exit strategy for Iraq when he can't walk out a door in China. :neener:

George W Bush-Committed to a war with no plan to end it, May see GM go under on his watch.

FDR- Got the country on it's feet and won WWII in Europe

Truman- Had the guts to use the A bomb to end WWII

Ronald Reagan-Won the cold war, silenced Quadaffi, ended the Iran Hostage Crisis, got the country on it's feet again, saved Harley Davidson.
 
Firethorn said:
The kid would have been better off drawing devil horns and goatee, or that Hitler mustashe, a dunce cap, stinking pile of dung, etc...


Haven't you heard? Dissent is now considered a "threat" to this administration, and is therefore actionable by law enforcement. That moron president we have is....uh...sorry, gotta go...someone in sunglasses and a black suit at the door.
 
Incredible, a thumbs down sign is considered threatening the president.

As someone whose very first vote for a President was Bush, I have to say I am disgusted with him. (The only problem I have with Iraq, is he isn't killing enough of the Muslims. My beef with him stems from his socialist domestic policies.)

I have said FAR worse things about GWB (which won't be repeated on THR), I for one cannot see a thumbs down sign ever being interpreted as a threat. Government incompetence lives on.

I hope the kid sues, after all, the Governmant agents DID steal his work.
 
Once it's reported to the Secret Service, they have to investigate. Notice they took no further action. Now, if they had charged the kid, that would be something else entirely.
 
Even if you are proven innocent or at least not guilty,
federal LE investigation can be a life-altering experience.

Secret Service has been going overboard against faint
hints against Presidents for decades. Same thing under
Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan (may have started in earnest
with John Hinkley's attempt on Reagan that gave us the
Brady crusade against civil liberties). We have decades
of wasted action that does not make the public more
secure and my beef is that the Bush Administration has
just done more of the same old same old. In someways,
the Patriot Act puts under court order some things that
were being done under the table in the past; like the AWB,
the Patriot Act needs a periodic review and a sunset
provision. It is not a Bush problem: it is a Big Guvmint
problem and braying jackasses are as bad as rogue
elephants on wasting LE resources on nothing.
A woman had pictures of her young daughter in the bath
turned into the authorities as child pornography, when
it wasn't; this protest poster is not the same as a death
threat and this reaction is also out of line. OR DOES
WAL MART WANT TO SELL MORE DIGITAL CAMERAS
THAT DON'T REQUIRE THIRD PARTY PICTURE PROCESSING?
{rant off}

Oh mi gawd, I realize I sent WalMart pictures of me and my
aunt shooting a pistol and a Thompson on my uncle's
farm. What is some nanny photo processor gets their
undies in twist over that?

edited for second thot
 
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