Walther CCP 380 vs S&W 380 EZ

[Zendude]

Looks like a battle for the compact 380 market has been heating up with another entry from Walther.
Walther will now offer their CCP in 380. It look the same as the 9mm CCP, so I would assume the same holster will work.

 

[doubleh]

The CCP seems to get very little respect and no interest on THR for some reason. I have a 9MM and really like it. It shoots what ever ammo I load in it and is accurate to boot. If my wife hadn't just bought a Smith Ez I would suggest she look at the Walther.

 

[Balrog]

I bought the EZ. My wife and daughters have a hard time reliably deactivating the grip safety. It’s not a good choice for them.

 

[commygun]

I don't know. The EZ fills it's particular niche so well, perhaps because it was designed exactly for that easy-to-operate-credible-self-defense-pistol role. There's several mid-size, single-stack .380s that are perfectly fine for the average Joe, but I don't know of any that have the same set of features to serve the EZ's target users.

Hell, I'm not impaired in any way but I still love to shoot the EZ.

 

[zaitcev]

The CCP seems to get very little respect and no interest on THR for some reason.

It's not just "some" reason. When CCP came out, it was the worst of Umarex garbage. They literally machined slides crooked. It was a disaster that remained the worst ever until Remington R51.

Leaving the manufacturing by a drunk monkey with a carpet router aside, one of the most interesting misfeatures of the original CCP was its fire control mechanism. Apparently Umarex designed the gun before they devoured Walther, so they didn't copy PPQ, or any other sensible gun. Instead, the firing pin safety is activated only when the slide is in battery. The result was that when one retracted the slide of CCP, the safety carried the striker with it, as expected. But a few millimeters in, it disengaged, causing the striker to fly forward and land onto the sear. You could actually hear it click. For that reason, unloading an unfired round always was a nerve-racking experience! Well, only if you knew how close you came to an AD, of course.

Umarex didn't give up though. They tightened up their quality, and even updated the gun with the M2 generation. It remains a ghetto Walther (together with Creeed nee PPX and the PK380), but it works for many people who do not remember its sad history and come fresh into it.

 

[<*(((><]

I only buy Ulm made Walthers and I have a feeling that will change eventually. Umarex puts out junk as far as I’m concerned.

Stick to the PPQ line coming out of Ulm in Walthers so far Umarex hasn’t botched up the management and what comes out of that plant.

 

[doubleh]

I really don't care about it's history, I care about now. They have fixed it and it's a pretty good firearm now and that's what counts. It is very ergonomic, it goes bang every time you pull the trigger, it's as accurate as the person shooting it is so I'm happy with mine. You know what they say about opinions.

 

[kmw1954]

I really don't care about it's history, I care about now. .

Not to distract or hijack this thread but to you feel the same way about Taurus and their history?

This new pistol looks like the PK380.

 

[doubleh]

Yes, I do . Over the years I have owned some Taurus handguns and none ever gave me any problem at all. I still own two of them. I found something I wanted worse than the others and they were traded off, not because they had a problem, just that I wanted to move on to something else. If I run across a Taurus that interests me enough I will either trade something that I no longer have much interest in or buy it out right.

I agree that the new gun resembles a PK380 but Walther's pistols all seem to look a great deal alike. Personally I think it's a P22 clone upsized. My wife considered the PK380 before deciding on the Ez.

 

[kmw1954]

Fair and Honest. I actually feel the same way. I now own 3 Taurus pistols and they are more than reliable. My favorite being PT92C that was made back in 12/98, also have G2 and a PT809. Like everyone in manufacturing has done at one time or another they have released some real failures and I think everyone that knows guns knows what model those are.

I also have a S&W 380EZ that is one of the first models and still has a recall out for it because I'm to lazy to send it back. I too looked closely at the PK380 before buying the EZ and still on occasion look at used PK380's.

 

[94045]

I bought the EZ. My wife and daughters have a hard time reliably deactivating the grip safety. It’s not a good choice for them.

I'm trying to figure out how that's possible with the reversed grip safety and a high firm grip (and I don't mean a crush grip). My little sister shoots one and it's never happened. I'm not questioning it happened but I wonder if your particular pistol could have an issue. You really have to limp hand it or grip the pistol very low to be able to intentionally inducet that on hers.


The .380 EZ is $299.99 at the LGS and the 9mm CCP is a little cheaper. I have never shot one or manipulated one so don't know how close they come to a 9EZ when it comes to ease of use.

 

[zaitcev]

I really don't care about it's history, I care about now.

If low quality ghetto blasters are your thing, it's completely okay. But I hope you understand better now why CCP isn't getting any respect. And frankly I would rather buy a G2c.

 

[Balrog]

I'm trying to figure out how that's possible with the reversed grip safety and a high firm grip (and I don't mean a crush grip). My little sister shoots one and it's never happened. I'm not questioning it happened but I wonder if your particular pistol could have an issue. You really have to limp hand it or grip the pistol very low to be able to intentionally inducet that on hers.


The .380 EZ is $299.99 at the LGS and the 9mm CCP is a little cheaper. I have never shot one or manipulated one so don't know how close they come to a 9EZ when it comes to ease of use.

The pistol never does it when i shoot it so u don’t think it’s a problem with pistol, though it may be a design issue for people with small hands.

I don’t really know why the thought it needed a grip safety.

I would also be concerned that if in a crisis moment, grip on the pistol was less than ideal, the safety may not be deactivated. So I am just glad we discovered it was an issue for them at the range and not when it really mattered.

 

[doubleh]

If low quality ghetto blasters are your thing, it's completely okay. But I hope you understand better now why CCP isn't getting any respect. And frankly I would rather buy a G2c.

You know what they say about opinions. I'll leave it at that.

 

[doubleh]

I'm trying to figure out how that's possible with the reversed grip safety and a high firm grip (and I don't mean a crush grip). My little sister shoots one and it's never happened. I'm not questioning it happened but I wonder if your particular pistol could have an issue. You really have to limp hand it or grip the pistol very low to be able to intentionally inducet that on hers.


The .380 EZ is $299.99 at the LGS and the 9mm CCP is a little cheaper. I have never shot one or manipulated one so don't know how close they come to a 9EZ when it comes to ease of use.

My wife and a grand daughter managed to have the safety problem the first time they shot the Ez. They weren't taking a high grip on the gun and it does require one. I explained and demonstrated the cause. I had the same problem with it using a low grip and they corrected their grip. The inverted grip safety is a weak design IMO. I can just imagine what could happen in a case of self defense when you are stressed. The grip safety on a 1911 never gives the women or me any problem at all. If S & W just had to put a grip safety on this gun why couldn't they have designed one that copied the 1911? Design problems? Cost of production? Ease of assembly? I like the gun generally. It's easy to load the mag, easy to rack, has a pretty good trigger, and is decently accurate but the upside down grip safety is something I don't care for.

 

[Balrog]

My wife and a grand daughter managed to have the safety problem the first time they shot the Ez. They weren't taking a high grip on the gun and it does require one. I explained and demonstrated the cause. I had the same problem with it using a low grip and they corrected their grip. The inverted grip safety is a weak design IMO. I can just imagine what could happen in a case of self defense when you are stressed. The grip safety on a 1911 never gives the women or me any problem at all. If S & W just had to put a grip safety on this gun why couldn't they have designed one that copied the 1911? Design problems? Cost of production? Ease of assembly? I like the gun generally. It's easy to load the mag, easy to rack, has a pretty good trigger, and is decently accurate but the upside down grip safety is something I don't care for.

I agree. It’s just a range toy because of that design.

 

[Zendude]

I agree. It’s just a range toy because of that design.

That might be what Walther is counting on. If many are turned off by the grip safety, the CCP would be their choice.

 

[94045]

The pistol never does it when i shoot it so u don’t think it’s a problem with pistol, though it may be a design issue for people with small hands.

I don’t really know why the thought it needed a grip safety.

I would also be concerned that if in a crisis moment, grip on the pistol was less than ideal, the safety may not be deactivated. So I am just glad we discovered it was an issue for them at the range and not when it really mattered.

It's the drop safety. It replaces the trigger safety blade that tends to the irritate soft fingers or cause issues if you contact the trigger edge first. My Lil' Sister loves the fact that she can thumb the back of the slide when holstering and it greatly reduces the chance of negligent discharge.

The first place you contact the gun when drawing should be the web of the hand and the fingers don't close until it compresses under the beavertail. That said if they are not comfortable with it they should not carry it. Confidence in your firearm is a prerequisite and non-negotiable. If the only weapon you trust is a revolver that's what you carry. If it's a Glock....well it's better than a rock <joking>.