Walther/Manurhin P1: A 2023 Perspective

AyyDudee30

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Many say the Walther P38 was the precursor to the modern service handgun; double and single action trigger, decocker/safety lever, relatively lightweight for the time and a locking breech to contain the 9mm luger cartridge. While the pistol itself is rooted in infamy it still stands to say it was known for its ruggedness and reliability as well as being inexpensive to produce. That all being up for debate the simple fact is that it was a phenomenal handgun and in my opinion still is to this day, while it may not be the latest and greatest high capacity high strength handgun it can still be a great shooter for someone looking for a more simple and traditional approach to handgun marksmanship and use.

My story with the P1 began with a trade. My 1911 for my good friends Manurhin marked P1. I had shot it a few times before the trade and always found it enjoyable, he wanted to try a 1911 so we made the deal. I got it with a black leather holster and a couple spare mags. My particular example began as an early P1 with a thin slide, no reinforcing pin and marked for the West Berlin Polizei. After 10 painstakingly long days I picked it up and did plenty of research for wartime and post war 9mm luger load specs for handguns. In my time researching my conclusion was the CCI Blazer 124 gr FMJ was the closest approximation to standard 9mm loadings at the time of the guns production, don't want to make the old gun work too hard with nato loadings or anything too hot and cause any sort of wear on the old aluminum frame. With this information I picked my ammo up and headed to the range.

First thing I noticed and I particularly enjoyed when handling the gun was the thin handle believe it or not. The gun was designed with one handed firing in mind much like many of its contemporaries and in fact it does this very well, you can apply modern grip techniques but that comes with its own set of caveats. The controls of the gun are all easily used with the thumb, slide release and decocker safety are efficiently and easily actuated by the users thumb (even if the user doesn't have particularly big mitts, looking at YOU 1911 slide release) the heel style mag release is about the best one I have felt and not as big of a hinderance as I though it would be. the slide itself was a little different of an issue for me. Yes it is big and easy to get your hands on for charging the piece but the absolute lack of serrations led me to using the safety lever to get a positive grip to bring it to the rear so I addressed this later. The trigger is a military handgun trigger, nothing to write home about in double action but a pleasant single action once you learn its quirks. Plus it has a loaded chamber indicator, cool but just leaves this thin little pin sticking out the rear of the gun.

Taking my first few shots with it off the bench one handed met me with a rather muzzle flippy yet soft recoil impulse. The gun did its job and I was met with a pleasant ring of a steel plate, awesome! Next I took both hands on and after a full mag through the slide failed to lock open. Forgetting what time this pistol was designed in my high grip I'm accustomed to with my Glock and CZ's I was holding the slide lever down do I had to adjust my thumb into the spot specifically designed to place your thumb in (who would have thought) and then I proceeded to put the next mag through and great it held the slide open but the takedown lever up front was giving my left hand thumb a run for its money! The gun itself though felt extremely controllable and a few rounds later I picked up my beloved P01 and it felt like I went form driving a stick shift work truck to getting into a well tuned paddle shifting coupe. After my range trip had ended and I put all my brass on the floor and lead into the dirt I was at home cleaning it and looking at spare parts for this relic which led me to a new rabbit hole to jump in.

After reading a bit and watching a few videos and handling the gun and dry firing I figured I like the slide but I need to get something perhaps stronger so I sourced a Walther marked unissued "fat" slide for a screaming deal. I figured after reading plenty about these old Walthers the slide is the weakest link it was a wise move to make the gun more of a shooter. This is where I remembered it is no totally modern handgun so it may need parts fitting but after getting my new slide in the mail and getting some oil on it everything came out of the old slide and into the new one perfectly. the only setback was the decocker seemed spotty at best for function. Thankfully the slide was a little heavier and had plenty of serrations for my modern handgun requirements and felt like a million bucks.

A week later and back to the range now drawing from the leather holster obviously draw was slow and mag changed were a little more tedious than a button release but the gun felt smoother to shoot and handling the new slide felt fantastic. rapid firing was a breeze with the new grip technique and the trigger pull was to me easier to work with. After 300 more rounds it had smoothed out and the decocker was working perfectly.

All in all the handgun is an excellent performer and I would recommend anyone give one a try given the chance. It is a traditional handgun that helped shape the modern handguns we all know and love today and once you learn its quirks and what kind of ammo to feed it it is a great shooting experience and a good challenge to us who are used to the handling characteristics of the typical handguns of today. If you made it this far I greatly thank you for your time and interest in these pieces, and if you have had experience and or own one of these awesome little guns let us all know your thoughts!
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Totally obsolete compared with today’s handguns. But an interesting curio for sure. With lots of history.
 
A P1/P38 that isn't shot out is a very, very accurate gun but it isn't as easy to shoot well as its successor the H&K P8A1. It is the only handgun that I ever had a 99% score with in any match. I have also had a locking block loose an ear and think it is a good idea to keep a spare. I have two cracked slides in my collection of failed parts, as well. In the Bundeswehr we used the same ammo in the P1 and in the UZI, in my personal P38s I shoot softer ammo.
As to the 1911 slide stop lever, there is none smoother to operate than my Nowlin Challenger's slide stop and safety, it makes my commercial P38 and Swiss P210s look crude.
 
AyyDundee30
My story with the P1 began with a trade. My 1911 for my good friends Manurhin marked P1. I had shot it a few times before the trade and always found it enjoyable, he wanted to try a 1911 so we made the deal. I got it with a black leather holster and a couple spare mags. My particular example began as an early P1 with a thin slide, no reinforcing pin and marked for the West Berlin Polizei.

I have one of those too!

Picked it up years ago at a gun show. I was just looking for a decent knock-around/truck gun but decided against it after finding out about the history of the gun with the West Berlin Police Force. My particular P1 does it's best work with 124 gr. ammo; not so much so with 115 gr. or 147 gr. loads.

All in all an interesting gun to have, especially with it's Post World War II history connected with it.
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Excellent post, thanks.
I have a P1 with the reinforcing nut in the frame from the 1980s. Haven't shot it in quit a while probably because I shoot its offspring the Beretta 92 when I'm not shooting revolvers.
After enjoying the locking block action of the P1 a 92FS is definitely on my list of pistols to pick up!
 
A P1/P38 that isn't shot out is a very, very accurate gun but it isn't as easy to shoot well as its successor the H&K P8A1. It is the only handgun that I ever had a 99% score with in any match. I have also had a locking block loose an ear and think it is a good idea to keep a spare. I have two cracked slides in my collection of failed parts, as well. In the Bundeswehr we used the same ammo in the P1 and in the UZI, in my personal P38s I shoot softer ammo.
As to the 1911 slide stop lever, there is none smoother to operate than my Nowlin Challenger's slide stop and safety, it makes my commercial P38 and Swiss P210s look crude.
I am in all honesty impressed with the handgun so far, not quite a breeze to shoot as some others but in the mix of all the amenities and technology we have in the newer handguns I find it fun to just bring things back to basics. I know it was primarily an ammunition issue too but parts breakage is a concern of mine and I think it might be wise to pick up a few spare surplus parts while they are around, any other high wear parts you'd suggest I pick up?
 
AyyDundee30


I have one of those too!

Picked it up years ago at a gun show. I was just looking for a decent knock-around/truck gun but decided against it after finding out about the history of the gun with the West Berlin Police Force. My particular P1 does it's best work with 124 gr. ammo; not so much so with 115 gr. or 147 gr. loads.

All in all an interesting gun to have, especially with it's Post World War II history connected with it.
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Gorgeous pistol! I find myself in the same dilemma so now I'm on the hunt for a commercial/Bundeswehr surplus P1 possibly with all the cool reinforced bits. Seems like most people get these dialed in very well with the 124 grain FMJ, I have been considering cooking up some soft range loads and tuning it to just cycle the action and punch a hole in paper.
 
I am in all honesty impressed with the handgun so far, not quite a breeze to shoot as some others but in the mix of all the amenities and technology we have in the newer handguns I find it fun to just bring things back to basics. I know it was primarily an ammunition issue too but parts breakage is a concern of mine and I think it might be wise to pick up a few spare surplus parts while they are around, any other high wear parts you'd suggest I pick up?

I have a complete small parts spares kit for about every of one my vintage firearms., still cheap and easy to find for a Walther but an expensive headache for a Korth or Hammerli. I have seen P1/P38 loose the cover plate while being shot, propel the extractor into the grass but if parts could be retrieved that was not issue. The cracked slides and locking blocks are my first concern, hammer and the hammer release plate are not issues I have personally had causing me problems.
 
I had one years ago, a 12/82 dated example with a "fat" slide/no hex pin.

I traded a mid '80's Taurus PT92 for it.

It was a great shooter and always made the trip to the range with me.

Unfortunately, it (and quite a few others in my collection) had to go on down the road to pay for my wife's medical bills (Lifeflight rides aren't cheap!)

Always been on the lookout for another (at the right price of course)

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P38 is an AC42 the code for Walther.
 
The German military switched from the P08 to the P38 primarily on the grounds that it was cheaper to manufacture. But, I've been led to understand the military paid exactly the same price for both. If true, somebody was pocketing the difference. Not too surprising as totalitarian regimes tend to breed corruption.
Years ago I had an unfired 1942 Mauser P38, sold it. More recently I had a Walther P! and also sold it. They never did much for me. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder or something like that,
 
The Wehrmacht replaced the P.08 with a faster and easier to produce firearm. A Mauser P.38 was only a few RM cheaper, though, than a Mauser P.08 but Magazines for the P.38 and spare parts were cheaper and required less fitting.
 
Weapons like the P38 and MP40 were designed for cheap and fast mass production.

The P08 is largely based on the 1899 version. It was designed to fit a different era of weapon production.

The P38 is more modern, too, being DA/SA like the PP and PPK.
 
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Are making a reference to Hunter and the weaponizing of the agencies? Better not have politics here:).
 
Totally obsolete compared with today’s handguns
Bit of an exaggeration here... it's a 9mm DA/SA semiauto with a decocker. You can buy ammo for it anywhere. Sure, it's bigger than a compact, and heavier than a plastic frame, and it has a single-stack mag.
But it's got features more modern than a 1911 or a Hi Power, which nobody considers "totally obsolete". It's not a cap-and-ball revolver.
 
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