Marshall
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Spend the same money and get a Sig P232.
Walther PPK... opinions... suggestions...
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It's identical or smaller in every dimension than the PPK. The thickness is practically a bit larger since the PPK thickness includes the decock lever. The decock lever doesn't really affect carry comfort much and the Kahr does have a much blockier slide--not nearly as "streamlined" as the PPK is. I find that corners are a big issue in comfort (or discomfort, I guess). I've looked at the PM9 and have almost left the store with one a couple of times but those corners keep me from buying one.
I'd be interested to get some feedback on real world differences from someone who has carried both in a soft IWB or a belly band setup.
Jehzsa
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The main source of jams in the PPK is underpowered ammo, mainly due to a factory 20# recoil spring.
The main source of the "bite" is the slide. Not the hammer. It is not a gun for hands that need the pinkie to wrap under the mag plate. Even with mag extension, or not.
Excellent gun. Be it Manurhin, Walther Ulm or Interarms. Can't say about the S&W. Never owned one.
The main source of the "bite" is the slide. Not the hammer. It is not a gun for hands that need the pinkie to wrap under the mag plate. Even with mag extension, or not.
Excellent gun. Be it Manurhin, Walther Ulm or Interarms. Can't say about the S&W. Never owned one.
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I love everything about Walthers. I own one that my father received from the factory at the end of WWII, fully engraved. I own only german Walthers now. PP's and PPK's. Either in .32 or in .22. I have owned several American .380 PPK/S's. They never did anything for me. The .32 is in my opinion, much more reliable. I love the history of the Walthers, the fact that they were the honor weapon of the Nazi party (Not saying anything good about the Nazi's, just a historical fact) They have a classic style that just looks perfect. Real steel. Great fit and finish. Deep rich blueing. Visions of James Bond. Dark alleys in far away places. They just scream class.
And, carried in an inside the waistband holster on me right now is ........................a Kahr PM9. Its a better tool for the job.
And, carried in an inside the waistband holster on me right now is ........................a Kahr PM9. Its a better tool for the job.
Just picked up a new PPK/S last night, and fired 120 rounds through it today.
Upsides were:
Very slim, would be much easier to hide than my Glock 26.
Recoil (despite warnings from others) was not bad at all.
120 rounds, was perfectly reliable.
Downsides:
The new tang does prevent "Walther Bite" for me, problem was that same tang is dang sharp on the edges IT drew blood on round 80 or so. Somebody at S/W deserves a beating for using a sharp object to protect the hand from a sharp object
Double action pull. Don't like the way it seems to start out light, gets very heavy in the middle, then falls back to light just before it lets go. Also too heavy all around-not even. Is a nice short pull at least though. Single action was fine, much better than most DA autos I've used.
It's a gift gun for someone who want's one so I don't have to be thrilled with it. To me a it's very good gun, just suspecting better stuff is out there..
JMHO...
Upsides were:
Very slim, would be much easier to hide than my Glock 26.
Recoil (despite warnings from others) was not bad at all.
120 rounds, was perfectly reliable.
Downsides:
The new tang does prevent "Walther Bite" for me, problem was that same tang is dang sharp on the edges IT drew blood on round 80 or so. Somebody at S/W deserves a beating for using a sharp object to protect the hand from a sharp object
Double action pull. Don't like the way it seems to start out light, gets very heavy in the middle, then falls back to light just before it lets go. Also too heavy all around-not even. Is a nice short pull at least though. Single action was fine, much better than most DA autos I've used.
It's a gift gun for someone who want's one so I don't have to be thrilled with it. To me a it's very good gun, just suspecting better stuff is out there..
JMHO...
I recommend purchasing a Kahr PM9 instead of a Walther PPk because the Kahr PM9:
I own a Kahr PM9 and like it very much. I shot a stainless PPK and I did not like it because the double action trigger was heavy and long.
- is smaller than a Walther PPK
- has a lighter, smoother trigger pull
- can shoot 9mm +P rounds
- has night sights available
I own a Kahr PM9 and like it very much. I shot a stainless PPK and I did not like it because the double action trigger was heavy and long.
Ryan,
First, I would like to say that this is a cool forum--glad I joined!
SOrry if this kind of counds like a review--I guess this is the best way to give my opinion on the PP/K with my very limited experience with this gun.
The PP/K is indeed a seriously cool looking gun. I am definitely no expert on guns, but from what I have read over the last few months about the PPK, it has a lot of history about it. Last month I went into the local gun shop and asked to check one of these bad boys out. After being instructed on how it works, I played with it for a few minutes. I looked at a brand new Smith/Wesson-Walther PPK/S in .380 in full stainless. Aesthetically, it's a beautiful gun in many respects. If you have your heart set on the design, by all means go for it. I can't imagine that with good ammo, regular cleaning and P/M, and getting used to it..that it wouldn't serve you very well. What I didn't like about it was the grips were a bit too small for my hands, and they are flat. This seems like it would be way too uncomfortable to shoot for a long time. The butt of the handle is honed flat, and I see this pressing into the palm of my hand and being a PITA after a while. Also, the action was very stiff--it was somewhat difficuit to rack the slide on this gun. However, it did feel smooth. The DA trigger is a heavy pull--SA is crisp. Overall, I was fairly impressed though. It is what it is, and it is a very cool and well made gun IMO.
Then I moved on to the SIG P 232 in stainless. I am no expert, but I immediately noticed how much "tighter" yet eaiser the SIG felt. Also, the grips alone are far more comfortable for me personally. The way the gun sits in my hand, the slide has plenty of room to move without touching flesh. The hammer is short and didn't seem that it could bite. The tooling marks on the SIG are only on the frame--and they are nicely smoothed out. The slide is machined and honed to a smoothness that is beautiful. Everything screamed BUY ME. Plus, it's design looks like something that belonged in the Alien movies--too cool. It just looks kind of Sci-Fi. The Walther PPK/S was priced at $479.00 in .380 full stainless and the SIG P 232SL was $489.00 in .380 full stainless. No brainer. I just picked up the SIG on Friday and took it to the range immediately. I'm no perfect marksman, fut at 25 yards, I was hitting paper consistently. Not bad for the first time out with the gun.
I would try the SIG out if you like the look. If not, go for the Walther--from initial oipinons in the store, I would give it an 8.5 and the SIG a 9.5.
After reading a bunch of opinions of the PPK, I would probably buy one in .32acp INSTEAD OF .380. Especially since the SIG is a .380...and I still haven't gotten rid of the PPK bug completely myself
Sorry for the rant... :banghead:
Jason
First, I would like to say that this is a cool forum--glad I joined!
SOrry if this kind of counds like a review--I guess this is the best way to give my opinion on the PP/K with my very limited experience with this gun.
The PP/K is indeed a seriously cool looking gun. I am definitely no expert on guns, but from what I have read over the last few months about the PPK, it has a lot of history about it. Last month I went into the local gun shop and asked to check one of these bad boys out. After being instructed on how it works, I played with it for a few minutes. I looked at a brand new Smith/Wesson-Walther PPK/S in .380 in full stainless. Aesthetically, it's a beautiful gun in many respects. If you have your heart set on the design, by all means go for it. I can't imagine that with good ammo, regular cleaning and P/M, and getting used to it..that it wouldn't serve you very well. What I didn't like about it was the grips were a bit too small for my hands, and they are flat. This seems like it would be way too uncomfortable to shoot for a long time. The butt of the handle is honed flat, and I see this pressing into the palm of my hand and being a PITA after a while. Also, the action was very stiff--it was somewhat difficuit to rack the slide on this gun. However, it did feel smooth. The DA trigger is a heavy pull--SA is crisp. Overall, I was fairly impressed though. It is what it is, and it is a very cool and well made gun IMO.
Then I moved on to the SIG P 232 in stainless. I am no expert, but I immediately noticed how much "tighter" yet eaiser the SIG felt. Also, the grips alone are far more comfortable for me personally. The way the gun sits in my hand, the slide has plenty of room to move without touching flesh. The hammer is short and didn't seem that it could bite. The tooling marks on the SIG are only on the frame--and they are nicely smoothed out. The slide is machined and honed to a smoothness that is beautiful. Everything screamed BUY ME. Plus, it's design looks like something that belonged in the Alien movies--too cool. It just looks kind of Sci-Fi. The Walther PPK/S was priced at $479.00 in .380 full stainless and the SIG P 232SL was $489.00 in .380 full stainless. No brainer. I just picked up the SIG on Friday and took it to the range immediately. I'm no perfect marksman, fut at 25 yards, I was hitting paper consistently. Not bad for the first time out with the gun.
I would try the SIG out if you like the look. If not, go for the Walther--from initial oipinons in the store, I would give it an 8.5 and the SIG a 9.5.
After reading a bunch of opinions of the PPK, I would probably buy one in .32acp INSTEAD OF .380. Especially since the SIG is a .380...and I still haven't gotten rid of the PPK bug completely myself
Sorry for the rant... :banghead:
Jason
russlate
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If you really lust after one, go for it.
Having said that, fold your money and put it in your pocket and go into the store. Ask to see it. Make sure it is empty and pull the DA trigger on it. I did that 4 times. And 4 times I walked out without the gun.
I've got to admit, my dad had a post-war 1934 Beretta in 380, and it's Rococco style got to me. Others wanted a gun like 007 - I wanted a 34 or 35. I finally got one. A 32acp/7.65mm ( model 35 ). I love it.
Do what you want.
Having said that, fold your money and put it in your pocket and go into the store. Ask to see it. Make sure it is empty and pull the DA trigger on it. I did that 4 times. And 4 times I walked out without the gun.
I've got to admit, my dad had a post-war 1934 Beretta in 380, and it's Rococco style got to me. Others wanted a gun like 007 - I wanted a 34 or 35. I finally got one. A 32acp/7.65mm ( model 35 ). I love it.
Do what you want.
Ryan in the House
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Hello all.
Again, thanks for the opinions! But, I have since changed my mind on the gun that I have set my sights on (no pun intended). A Bersa 380.
I kept reading more good reviews about the Bersa... one after the other. Accuracy... ease of use... reliability... comfort... conceal factor... affordability... I just kept hearing all these attributes that you normally find in higher priced guns. I figured that I would have had to be CRAZY to turn down a Bersa in favor of a Walther... just because of the name! All along, I had my sights on the Walther because of it's reputation, and because of it's appearance in James Bond films. If the Bersa is going to offer more bang (again, no pun intended) for the buck, then I'm going to definitely go for it.
I'm thinking of getting one VERY soon. I am legally a resident of Virginia (my parents are divorced and my legal address is with my dad in VA) and in that state, (from what I've read) you can purchase a handgun when you're 18 years old. I'll have to look more into this, but that's what I read. In Maryland, it's unlawful for someone to sell or trade anyone under 21 a gun, but it doesn't say anything about anyone under 21 not being allowed to own a gun.
So I buy the gun in Virginia, and I keep it in Maryland. Can it be THAT easy? I hope so!
Again, thanks for the opinions! But, I have since changed my mind on the gun that I have set my sights on (no pun intended). A Bersa 380.
I kept reading more good reviews about the Bersa... one after the other. Accuracy... ease of use... reliability... comfort... conceal factor... affordability... I just kept hearing all these attributes that you normally find in higher priced guns. I figured that I would have had to be CRAZY to turn down a Bersa in favor of a Walther... just because of the name! All along, I had my sights on the Walther because of it's reputation, and because of it's appearance in James Bond films. If the Bersa is going to offer more bang (again, no pun intended) for the buck, then I'm going to definitely go for it.
I'm thinking of getting one VERY soon. I am legally a resident of Virginia (my parents are divorced and my legal address is with my dad in VA) and in that state, (from what I've read) you can purchase a handgun when you're 18 years old. I'll have to look more into this, but that's what I read. In Maryland, it's unlawful for someone to sell or trade anyone under 21 a gun, but it doesn't say anything about anyone under 21 not being allowed to own a gun.
So I buy the gun in Virginia, and I keep it in Maryland. Can it be THAT easy? I hope so!
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