Walther PPK/S .22 LR First Impressions

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Picked up a NIB Walther PPK/S in .22 lr yesterday at my local shop. The curves were appealing to me and it's small enough that I figured I could throw it in my coat pocket when I walk the dog. Won't stop a PCP-addled fool, but would likely be better than using bad language and a stick when the neighbor's pit-bull goes after me. (Then again, I'd probably be better off with a .454 if that beast ever got loose.) The gun is well made and put together and I don't feel any concern about the alloy material used for the slide. The machining is crisp and precise and overall the gun looks and feels good.

Took it to the range this morning and fired 100 rounds through it. Out of the box, it shot a couple inches high from 30 feet but after installing one of the higher front posts that came with the gun, I was able to consistently hit within a 2" - 3" area around my point of aim. Recoil is mild, but stronger than I expected. My guess is that this is due to the blowback design of the gun and its small size. It fits well in the hand and I appreciated having the magazine extension that lengthens the grip a bit. When it went bang, it was pleasant and controllable, as you'd expect from a .22. The key is "when it fired".

I'd read that 22 autos are finicky about what ammo they like and that stove-pipes and other hangups are not unusual and "Boy howdy", as Walt Longmire would say, I was not disappointed in that regard. Out of the 100 rounds I fired, 50 or 60 were fired from full, 10 round magazines. All of them failed-to-feed the second round from the magazine. I assume this is because the magazine feed tension is too high and maybe this will improve over time, maybe not. I fired the remaining rounds from 9 round mags and that problem went away. In addition to the feed problem, I also had several stovepipes and failures to fully eject. In fact, the last round I fired is actually stuck in the breech and will need to be rammed out when I get home. For some reason the ejector isn't catching and hopefully I didn't break something. I'll fire another 400 rounds through it before I decide if I'm going to get rid of it, or not, but so far my impression of it is "meh". And I definitely won't be carrying it with me on walks.

I have a Browning Buck Mark that should be arriving later this week that I hope to use in Bullseye competitions later this year. I'm curious to see whether I have the same sort of feed problems that I had with the PPK. I suspect I won't, since it has a longer barrel and should generate more pressure to actuate the slide, but we'll see. So far, I have about a 10% failure rate with the rounds fired through the PPK, which is astoundingly high to me. Oh yeah, and the ammo I was firing was 40 grain Winchester Super-X Power-Point. I also tried firing 10 rounds of Winchester Super-X Plated Round Nose and those jammed every other round. Since I have 200 more of the latter, I'm hopeful the Buck Mark likes them better.

So my overall impressions right now are:
- Get a .380 or .32 ACP center-fire pistol if you want a small, concealable auto.
- Get a revolver if you want to shoot .22 from a pistol reliably.
- The PPK/S is beautiful and well made, but is not reliable in .22 caliber.

These opinions may change over time, but reflect the way I'm feeling at the moment. I'll give the PPK a good cleaning and will cycle the slide a few hundred times while watching TV, or something. Hopefully it'll get more reliable as it ages. Will update this post after I've fired a brick through it.
 
I have an old Interarms Walther PP in .22LR. Never had a feeding problem. Let us know how different ammo functions. I am curious. Did you take it down and clean it real good before you shot it??
 
Try hotter ammo in that little PPK. Your PPK is likely similar to my Firestorm/Bersa .22LR pistol in regards to its ammo preferences. Both guns are compact sized with small slides and heavier springs to make up for it. Plus the ever heavy rimfire hammer spring for reliable ignition.

My Bersa runs 100% (so far) with CCI Mini Mags. Everything else is a crap shoot and makes you practice the tap-rack-bang drill fairly often.

Also, my Bersa didn't run well with fully loaded mags until several hundred rounds had been fired. 8 or 9 rounds per mag worked just fine.
 
I bought the PPK/S 22 earlier this year mainly because my wife is a fan of the PPK/S and has severe arthritis in her hands. I thought it would be easier for her to shoot than her real PPK/S. I have shot it quite a bit and for my eyes it's dead on at 10 yards. I have shot various brands of ammo from cheap to pretty good and the results reflected the quality of the ammo. I had several failures to fire with cheap federal and also with winchester. I rotated them and shot them again and they didn't fire. No failures with remington and CCI. I also shot this same ammo in a couple of Ruger autos at the same time with the same results. I blame the ammo and not the guns. All of these pistols are range toys, not for defense.
 
Interesting that brand has such an impact. I'll try some CCI in it next time.

I had field stripped and cleaned at the night before. Did not disassemble it further than that.

Thanks
 
I have a Manurhin PPK/S .22LR that is very reliable; I bought it almost 40 years ago. It shoots a bit high and to the left but there's no way of changing the front sight. The rear sight is on tight and I have never gone to the trouble of moving it. For a little pocket pistol it's quite satisfying to shoot.
 
I had a couple of German made PPK/S's I carried off duty, very nice well made guns, but with .380's, you could definitely feel the recoil. Never had any issues with them.

I've got a Buckmark, great gun, I predict you won't have any problems. Mine has no ammo or feeding problems whatsoever. Good luck with yours!
 
I have not had reliability issues with my PPK/S 22, but I shoot nothing but CCI mini-mags. I rarely shoot the gun, though, because mine has the heaviest first-shot trigger pull I have ever encountered. Truly horrible, and my 'smith said not much can be done about it because it is a design issue. So the gun stays in the safe most all the time.

Thanks for the review.

BOARHUNTER
 
That first shot trigger pull is a bear. I just cock the one I bought with the hammer for the first shot so no problem. Like I said, range toy, not worried about being able to need to shoot it in a hurry.
 
My Buck Mark is 99% reliable, and I shoot every kind of junk 22 ammo. I, too, have had issues with small 22 semiautomatics. My 22 revolvers never give me problems, though. I have read lots of comments saying that the 32acp PP and PPK are the most reliable. Apparently that is the round they were originally designed for.
 
My Buck Mark is 99% reliable, and I shoot every kind of junk 22 ammo. I, too, have had issues with small 22 semiautomatics. My 22 revolvers never give me problems, though. I have read lots of comments saying that the 32acp PP and PPK are the most reliable. Apparently that is the round they were originally designed for.

Hey Tallball, I agree with you 100%. I picked up the Buck Mark Weds morning, put 200 rounds of assorted Winchester Super-X through it without a single problem, then competed in a Bullseye match with it that evening firing CCI std velocity - again without a single problem. It's accurate and seems pretty reliable. The Walther is going out the door as soon as I can get it down to my favorite gun dealer.
 
I had one of the new PPK/s in .22 LR about a year or so ago, and had no issues with it and any type of ammo that I could stuff into the magazine. That included a lot of Remington and CCI standard velocity rounds. No I don't have it as I also lucked into a 70's vintage PPK/s also in .22 and the steel gun just fit my hand a little bit better.
 
No time with a PP or PPK/S in .22 but considerable experience with the .32 and.380 versions. Both could be somewhat finicky about ammo selection, particularly with certain hollow point bullets. And both were somewhat sharp in terms of their recoil. The double action triggers on them were very heavy and gritty, even after a lot of use. Eventually I traded them away or sold them and went with a Colt Government .380 and Colt Mustang for their locked breech design and single action triggers.

As far as medium frame size .22s go I think I have one of the best with my Beretta Model 70S. Great single action trigger, no felt recoil, easy to acquire sights, extremely reliable and accurate with just about any .22 ammo, and just a lot of fun to shoot. My Number One choice of guns to start beginning shooters out with.

 
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Call me a snob, but I don't really consider these Zinc die cast replicas of the Walther PPK/S,etc, to be the real Walther PP series guns. I know they say "Walther" on them, but I suspect they are made by Umarex or some other manufacturer of BB gun quality products. They are not made to work, they are made to sell by trading on the perception of quality conveyed by calling them by a respected name with a long reputation for quality. I had an actual Walther PP in 22 years ago. A beautifully fitted and finished blued steel pistol that I foolishly sold thinking I could always buy another.
 
Call me a snob, but I don't really consider these Zinc die cast replicas of the Walther PPK/S,etc, to be the real Walther PP series guns. I know they say "Walther" on them, but I suspect they are made by Umarex or some other manufacturer of BB gun quality products. They are not made to work, they are made to sell by trading on the perception of quality conveyed by calling them by a respected name with a long reputation for quality. I had an actual Walther PP in 22 years ago. A beautifully fitted and finished blued steel pistol that I foolishly sold thinking I could always buy another.

OK, you're a snob. How's that for being agreeable? No smilies so consider that as a joke.

I would love to have been able to purchase a real steel PPK/S 22 although I have never seen one in a gunshop, ever. So I bought the Umarex made, alloy one that's available today and had to have that one ordered in. No it isn't equal to the steel ones but it's what available now and it works and quite nicely I might add. No, it's not the real Walther but it's close enough to satisfy me for the purpose I bought it for.
 
Actually steel PP's are readily available at Simpson Arms LTD all day long for about 600 and change. I got a pre war PP for a little over 400 about 6 years ago. If one is patient you'll find deals occasionally. In the last three years I've been able to add two PPK/s and a TPH to my collection of shooting .22's
 
OK, you're a snob. How's that for being agreeable? No smilies so consider that as a joke.

I would love to have been able to purchase a real steel PPK/S 22 although I have never seen one in a gunshop, ever. So I bought the Umarex made, alloy one that's available today and had to have that one ordered in. No it isn't equal to the steel ones but it's what available now and it works and quite nicely I might add. No, it's not the real Walther but it's close enough to satisfy me for the purpose I bought it for.


That's all that matters.
 
No time with a PP or PPK/S in .22 but considerable experience with the .32 and.380 versions. Both could be somewhat finicky about ammo selection, particularly with certain hollow point bullets. And both were somewhat sharp in terms of their recoil. The double action triggers on them were very heavy and gritty, even after a lot of use. Eventually I traded them away or sold them and went with a Colt Government .380 and Colt Mustang for their locked breech design and single action triggers.

As far as medium frame size .22s go I think I have one of the best with my Beretta Model 70S. Great single action trigger, no felt recoil, easy to acquire sights, extremely reliable and accurate with just about any .22 ammo, and just a lot of fun to shoot. My Number One choice of guns to start beginning shooters out with.

That is one beautiful Model 70. They are also very difficult to find, especially in the condition that yours seems to be. I have a black Model 71 that I would never part with and I shoot it quite frequently at my range.
 
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I had mine hard chrome plated by Ron Mahovsky at Metalife many years ago. When I first got my Beretta there was a problem with the bluing which Beretta acknowledged and offered to reblue it under warranty. Got the gun back and was still having problems with the finish so I decided to get it hard chromed plated (it was actually considerably less at the time than having it reblued). Still looks as great as it did when I got it back from Metalife.

What's even more difficult to find than the gun itself are factory magazines! Good to hear your Model 71 is still going strong for you.

P.S.-To the OP: Sorry for the slight thread deviation. Now back to your regularly scheduled thread already in progress.
 
I have a Beretta that looks a lot like that 22, but mine is 32acp. It's a good shooter.
 
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