Walther's patent 12 guage semi-auto shotgun
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rcmodel
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More info would be needed.
Action type?
Number of barrels?
Over all length?
Any engraving?
And a few photos couldn't hurt anything at all.
You want help, give use enough info to work with, and we will do our best to help you.
Otherwise, all anyone can guess, is a guess.
Rc
Action type?
Number of barrels?
Over all length?
Any engraving?
And a few photos couldn't hurt anything at all.
You want help, give use enough info to work with, and we will do our best to help you.
Otherwise, all anyone can guess, is a guess.
Rc
Jim Watson
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You say "barrel" in the singular.
Walther made an odd looking toggle action automatic shotgun from 1921 til 1931.
Those are not very common.
But if that is what you have, then it is "identified."
They made conventional double barrels, sold here by Stoegers, hence the "Germany" import mark, up until WWII.
A real description would be good, pictures better.
Walther made an odd looking toggle action automatic shotgun from 1921 til 1931.
Those are not very common.
But if that is what you have, then it is "identified."
They made conventional double barrels, sold here by Stoegers, hence the "Germany" import mark, up until WWII.
A real description would be good, pictures better.
SDC
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Does it look like this: http://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/...deutsche-werke-ag-oder-ortgies.html?offset=21 ?
If so, It's Walther's "knee-link"shotgun, so-called because it works like the Luger, with an in-line toggle that breaks as the barrel recoils. The markings show it's chambered for the short 2 1/2" shells, so please don't shoot it with regular ammo.
If so, It's Walther's "knee-link"shotgun, so-called because it works like the Luger, with an in-line toggle that breaks as the barrel recoils. The markings show it's chambered for the short 2 1/2" shells, so please don't shoot it with regular ammo.
Edarnold
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If I remember correctly, the production of the autoloader based on serial numbers was not over 20,000. It is a light well balanced gun, using a short-recoil system to operate a toggle lock that may been intended to appeal by similarity to the WW1 Maxim machine-guns. It also featured a clever magazine loading system that dropped the back of the tube down for easy access. A nice design that feels well thought out. Judging by the low production it was a failure compared to the well established Browning design as sold in Europe by FN, and in the US by Remington. The odd choice of 12 gauge when the common choice in Europe was 16 probably did not help. The Walther is considered one of the rare guns that should be in a serious collectors arsenal, but the selling price in the US is only in the $500 to $900 range.
A very fine example could bring $1500 or so. They are fairly uncommon and easily identified by a large lever on the right side of the receiver, The butt plate might be made of horn.
Here is a very nice example:
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/57/lid/585
Here is a very nice example:
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/57/lid/585
Edarnold
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A very nice example indeed, although the RA piece is lacking the sheet-metal cover over the bolt mechanism that is frequently missing. The example I have is in much rougher condition: the bluing is mostly grayed, the buttplate is missing, and the cocking lever has been broken and mended by brazing. The last damage is common among several examples I have found listed on line. Taking down the gun is tricky and not readily deduced, so that a common problem for GIs bringing home their trophy after the war was attempting brute force to remove the lever, which is the pivot for the bolt toggle. The right piece, but the wrong method! There is a site online that gives what details exist for this unique gun, and they have an excellent set of photos showing the takedown technique as well as the innards of the weapon. Google ' Walther's Patent Shotgun ' for the URL.
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