Wanna repeal '86 MG ban?

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I respectfully disagree...

Which is still a constitutional right that has yet to be as infringed upon as the 2nd Amendment has been...

It is imperative to recognize the ban of any classification of weapon as a stepping stone to total confiscation! Which is exactly how they did it in the U.K. , Canada and many parts of Europe...

They started with the full autos, then the semi-autos and so on... and now they are gone...

We must stop being pessimists about the media and politicians and the power of the people!
speak out before it is too late!
Write your politicians and the media and encourage others to do the same when you network, have family gatherings etc...

The government has no power over the people, but that which we give them... Newt Gingrich

The Clinton semi-auto ban went away because the liberal nut jobs out to infringe upon our 2nd amendment were found to have no factual basis on any of their supporting arguments that they used to get the stinking Clinton Assault Weapon Ban to begin with...

The Class three ban was always shot down by the major media and the majority pro-gun politicians, publicly for decades before 1986; it exists today because it was slipped in under the disguise of something pro-gun and almost no pro-gun politician knew about until it was signed by Ronald Reagan who most certainly did not know about it as he vowed to veto any such thing and Ronnie always kept his word.

Every argument the left has for opposing class three weapons is the same tired ass arguments they had for the stinking Slick-Willie Clinton Assault Weapons ban that has thankfully gone away...

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!
Period, this is not negotiable, any gun ban bar none is a infringement...

If we do nothing, we have already lost... George Washington

Write your representatives in Washington:
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Write the Media:
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Write GOA - the Gun Owners of America:
http://www.gunowners.org/

Write the Second Amendment Foundation:
http://saf.org/

Write the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action:
http://www.nraila.org/

Write the NRA News:
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Read The Unabridged Second Amendment:
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/unabridged.2nd.html

Semper Fidelis
 
It is imperative to recognize the ban of any classification of weapon as a stepping stone to total confiscation! Which is exactly how they did it in the U.K. , Canada and many parts of Europe...

They started with the full autos, then the semi-autos and so on... and now they are gone...
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I agree, it’s a stepping stone to total confiscation. The problem is this stone was stepped on more than twenty years ago. The stones today are hi capacity magazines, semi-auto firearms of any type, 50 cal rifles or any rifle with similar power etc. etc. We are barely hanging on to magazines of over 10 rounds for any weapon and some states still can’t have them. The Democrats (mostly extreme leftists) that currently control both houses of congress don’t care about your gun rights. In fact they will take every chance they get to disarm you completely. Expecting this group of leftist degenerates to give power back to the people is pure fantasy. They can’t be reasoned with, they must be defeated. We will need to either clean house in congress or win in the courts to get back the right to own machine guns.
 
We can not be pessimists and defeatists...

If we do nothing, we have already lost... George Washington

I do believe in a fate that will fall on us if we do nothing. So, with all the creative energy at our command, let us begin an era of national renewal. Let us renew our determination, our courage, and our strength. And let us renew; our faith and our hope... Ronald Reagan

I have seen the rise and fall of Nazi tyranny, the subsequent cold war and the nuclear nightmare that for fifty years haunted the dreams of children everywhere. During that time my generation defeated totalitarianism. As a result, your world is poised for better tomorrows. What will you do on your journey?" ... Ronald Reagan

"Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" ... Patrick Henry

If we do nothing we will only be able to say that we did nothing.

Write your representatives in Washington:
http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/

Write the Media:
http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/media/

Write GOA - the Gun Owners of America:
http://www.gunowners.org/

Write the Second Amendment Foundation:
http://saf.org/

Write the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action:
http://www.nraila.org/

Write the NRA News:
http://www.nranews.com/

Read The Unabridged Second Amendment:
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/unabridged.2nd.html

Semper Fidelis
 
Yes Ron Paul known as Dr. NO to his peers in Congress would be great if we only considered his 100% pro-gun record; but he comes off a little radical when he talks about sequestering the United States from the rest of the world...

The only other 100% pro-gun record candidate is Mike Huckabee...
And his positions and track record on the other issue are excellent as well...

Mike Huckabee is a dark-horse candidate well worth considering; and one I am supporting in 2008...

Mike Huckabee:
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/

As has been demonstrated several times this year alone, our Senators and Congressman Democrat and republican alike tend to change their anti-constitution ways when their switch boards shut down, mail boxes, fax machines and post office boxes fill up with constituent concerns over the same issue(s)...

If we do nothing we will only be able to say that we did nothing.

Write your representatives in Washington:
http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials/

Write the Media:
http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/media/

Write GOA - the Gun Owners of America:
http://www.gunowners.org/

Write the Second Amendment Foundation:
http://saf.org/

Write the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action:
http://www.nraila.org/

Write the NRA News:
http://www.nranews.com/

Read The Unabridged Second Amendment:
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/unabridged.2nd.html

Don't forget to register to vote in time to vote in the primaries...

They are way early this election; mine in Nevada are January 19th, 2008...

Semper Fidelis
 
This is an old thread, but an important subject.
The Firearms Coalition is actively working to assemble the blocks necessarily to effect repeal of this onerous law. The SCOTUS decision on Heller might open the door to a judicial remedy, but tackling it in the legislative arena has merit too.
As we gear up our efforts, we want to be sure that we are cooperating with and complimenting any other efforts in the same direction, so if you know of any organization that is actively pursuing the repeal of the '86 Machinegun Ban, please let me know about them. I'm also interested in any organization or club that might be interested in joining with us in this effort.
If you, your friends, your clubs, or other groups would like to participate in our endeavor, I invite you to join our coalition. You can learn more about us by going to www.FirearmsCoalition.org
I hope to hear from you and I hope you'll look forward to hearing more from me.
Jeff Knox
Director, The Firearms Coalition
 
Please take the time to review the original post, and subsequent posts in this thread and remain
vigilant about not letting this issue or this thread go unnoticed...

Please take the suggested actions and any others of your own you may have, and encourage your fellow gun owners, peers, friends, family, neighbors etc., to do the same...

Its long over due for repeal/amending and the NRA has FAILED MISERABLY in their PROMISE to pursue this until it is repealed/amended...
AND we must remind them frequently of their BROKEN PROMISE to their members and America.

A related thread worth visiting and participating in on another forum is:
http://www.usacarry.com/forums/2nd-...an-stepping-stone-total-gun-confiscation.html

AND as much as it is like taking cod liver oil, we must vote for McCain in November...

Best Regards.
 
If the MG ban was lifted, think of how our economy would be stimulated? Seriously, I wont spend $20k right now on an NFA item because it's one item. I would spend $20k if i could get several select fire items. I'm sure there are others in the same boat.

Also, if the MG ban were lifted, how many of the semi-auto AR15 companies would turn overnight into a class III manufacturer? A lot of people would make money, I think it's a win-win!
 
Right now a pre-86 class III transferable MG say a m-16 will run around $20,000.00 Twenty Thousand Dollars

If you are a law enforcement officer, military or applicable FFL holder, you can buy a post 86 MG m-16/m4 for about $2,000.00 Two Thousand Dollars

If we do nothing, we can only say we did nothing...
 
You might be able to sell it to some fence-sitters as a "machine gun registration act" that reopens the NFA registry. Some stupid antis might even think it's a victory for gun control.
 
A MG can be a SBR, an SBR can't be an MG. Why pay $200 without being able to get the switch? No one says you have to leave it on "FA", you can shoot SA. It's the same $200 either way, or rather it would be with 922(o) gone. :)
 
How about we repeal land-application of Admiralty Law first...you know, the gold fringe on the "flag". According to my students, if we nail Admiralty Law first, by default, all other subsequent, land-based misapplications thereof are eradicated, and as a result, the Constitution and Bill of Rights return as the standard for the land in the USA.

I have several students who speak of this frequently. I have often pondered to what extent their arguments ring true.

<<Danged black helicopters>>
 
As much as I would like to own a full-auto NFA without selling the clothes off my back, there are far more important things.

First of all full-auto isn't that great and in no way would it come CLOSE to balancing out the damage to the Second Amendment created by a Federal gun registry.

If we aren't talking about repealing the entire '86 law then it is a tough selling point, and I think far more could be gained from trying to repeal the NFA tax on SBR's, after all uneducated anti's really aren't going to see those as nearly as menacing as machine guns.

Also with all this effort we could be putting into a probably fruitless swipe at federal law, we could instead by trying to repeal anti-gun laws on the state level, such as the "assault weapons" ban over here in CT:cuss:
 
when I hear something go "bump in the night" I would love to be able to grab a H&K MP5SD
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Yeah, the MP5SD, you don't want do wake up people just because you have to fire your gun at a home invader :)

And yes, I realize it is more about not going deaf during a self defense shooting, but really, MP5 for "bump in the night"? Don't you know, 9mm won't stop any criminals, you need a .45 at least for that ? :)
 
Whats so bad about a potential federal gun registry? I would rather have registration then bannings of fire-arms, especially if most of the federal bans would be removed.
 
Also with all this effort we could be putting into a probably fruitless swipe at federal law, we could instead by trying to repeal anti-gun laws on the state level, such as the "assault weapons" ban over here in CT
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It's only fruitless if you don't want to try.

Whats so bad about a potential federal gun registry?
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Prepare for a firestorm.

If we aren't talking about repealing the entire '86 law
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Yes, I want the whole FOPA junked, it needs to be entirely rewritten and have 922o burned right out.
 
Whats so bad about a potential federal gun registry? I would rather have registration then bannings of fire-arms, especially if most of the federal bans would be removed.
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Machine guns have been registered since 1934, they just closed down the registry in 1986, so no new machine guns can be registered, the result is that many pre-'86 MGs cost more than a new car. Whether or not the "ban" is lifted, there will still be registration. As for registering of all firearms to ward off bans, that's appeasement, and history shows us it doesn't work out so well. I bet UK gun owners wish they would have kept that can 'o worms shut.

As for getting the registry open, the ban does appear to be superficially similar to the DC handgun ban, and wouldn't be a bad place to start in if Parker is upheld.
 
I don't want my guns registered any more than I want my health files, dna strand, printer, or religious status registered, logged, and monitored by the .gov.

Why would you think it's ok for the government to know the quantity, type, and location of your guns? What possible good can come of it?
 
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