I thought of something I'd be willing to spend 200$ on a tax stamp for but have some questions. I'd like to buy a 14'' 870 barrel to put on my HD shoty which I dont think will cost too much. To legally do this do I have to send the gun anywhere while the paperwork is being done or just the barrel? Has anyone done this mod, if so whats the drill? Thanks
Want a 14'' barrel 870
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waterhouse
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You don't have to send the gun or barrel off anywhere while the paperwork is being done, but you cannot shorten the barrel (or have someone else shorten it) untill AFTER the paperwork gets approved.
Taurus44
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Good luck finding a 14" barrel to buy "off the shelf". You'll be better off having your longer barrel shortened (I'd lengthen the forcing cone while you're at it). But you can't legally do any of it until the stamp comes back... I'm in my second week of waiting for mine right now. 
Send off for the stamp, when you get it back you can have the barrel shortened, and you'll have to have your name and address stamped or rolled on the gun somewhere (I did the bottom of the barrel so you can't see it). Once you get the stamp, make a couple copies of it and keep one anywhere that you might store the gun, and in any vehicle that you may transport it in. Then put the original in a safe place and go enjoy your new shotgun.
Send off for the stamp, when you get it back you can have the barrel shortened, and you'll have to have your name and address stamped or rolled on the gun somewhere (I did the bottom of the barrel so you can't see it). Once you get the stamp, make a couple copies of it and keep one anywhere that you might store the gun, and in any vehicle that you may transport it in. Then put the original in a safe place and go enjoy your new shotgun.
heypete
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Also, since the shotgun was originally sold as a "shotgun" and not a "short barreled shotgun", you'll need to put a new serial number on the gun.
For ease of paperwork (and not having to re-stamp the gun with a new serial), put down the same serial number as the factory stamped on it. Makes life easy.
For ease of paperwork (and not having to re-stamp the gun with a new serial), put down the same serial number as the factory stamped on it. Makes life easy.
For ease of paperwork (and not having to re-stamp the gun with a new serial), put down the same serial number as the factory stamped on it. Makes life easy.
This is what Remington does at the factory on LE guns. The barrel has the same SN as the receiver.
This is what Remington does at the factory on LE guns. The barrel has the same SN as the receiver.
The Punisher
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Search gunbroker or other sites to try and find barrels. If you can find a Remington LE dealer in your area, they should be able to order you a factory 14" barrel. I'm from Arizona and bought a Remington MCS 10" breacher shotgun from Shooter's Vault in Phoenix and they had 14" barrels in stock brand new in the factory packaging right there on the shelf. You had to have a registered shotgun though before they would sell it to you, but if you look around enough, they are out there. They sell complete factory new 14" guns for $500 or $600 too as an AOW ($5 tax instead of $200) if you want to add an extra gun to the family instead of chopping up your existing one.
Taurus44
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With a little tweaking of the gas ports, the 1100 and 11-87 function fine with short barrels.
Absolutely. Remington sells a 14" 11-87, so it must be doable.
http://www.remingtonle.com/shotguns/1187.htm
Yea thats what I was thinking. Maybe the bad has been heard becuase its from people modifying 20" barrels to 14" and then having problems? or installing 14" barrels on models that were originally 20" etc.
If it comes from the factory at 14" i'm sure that its tweaked for that setup for reliability.
Theres a dealer in winnipeg that can get quite a bit of remington LE stuff. He sells the 14" pump, I'm sure that he can get in the semi auto version for me. Up here 'overall' length is the determining factor on a shotguns legality and not barrel length.
Pump 14" barrels are deemed as "non-restricted" with a full stock, and can be bought and brought any where. Once you add a pistol grip though and shorten it, it falls into the restricted catagorie which isn't too great..
You guys don't have it to bad though, no matter how short it is, you just buy some 200$ tax stamp and fill out a form, and then you can bring it anywhere, including the field to shoot.
Have you guys seen the super shorty? wow, now thats a home defence shotgun!
Thats one gun that I don't think us canadians will ever see ;0
If it comes from the factory at 14" i'm sure that its tweaked for that setup for reliability.
Theres a dealer in winnipeg that can get quite a bit of remington LE stuff. He sells the 14" pump, I'm sure that he can get in the semi auto version for me. Up here 'overall' length is the determining factor on a shotguns legality and not barrel length.
Pump 14" barrels are deemed as "non-restricted" with a full stock, and can be bought and brought any where. Once you add a pistol grip though and shorten it, it falls into the restricted catagorie which isn't too great..
You guys don't have it to bad though, no matter how short it is, you just buy some 200$ tax stamp and fill out a form, and then you can bring it anywhere, including the field to shoot.
Have you guys seen the super shorty? wow, now thats a home defence shotgun!
Thats one gun that I don't think us canadians will ever see ;0
Taurus44
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Maybe I should get one of our Canadian brothers to buy/ship me a 14" Remington factory barrel so I don't have to cut my 18.5" when my stamp comes back!
Brentn, the short barrel laws in Canada for semi auto's is 18 1/2" min or it becomes restricted.
As you know this does not apply for pumps and that's why we can get 16, 14 12.5 and 8.5 inch barrels on non restricted pumps as long as they are over 26 " in length.
Dlask recently challenged the writting of the law with there SMD 12's which are similar to the super shorty that you posted.
It is being reviewed right now but they were selling them as non restricted with the pistol grip.
As you know this does not apply for pumps and that's why we can get 16, 14 12.5 and 8.5 inch barrels on non restricted pumps as long as they are over 26 " in length.
Dlask recently challenged the writting of the law with there SMD 12's which are similar to the super shorty that you posted.
It is being reviewed right now but they were selling them as non restricted with the pistol grip.
Taurus 44,
You could get Dlask to send you one of there barrels for your 870 but getting a Remington barrel from Canada would likely be more expensive as for some reason the US govt. has a problem sending short shotgun barrels to Canada unless the receiver is Police/millitary.
http://www.dlaskarms.com/
You could get Dlask to send you one of there barrels for your 870 but getting a Remington barrel from Canada would likely be more expensive as for some reason the US govt. has a problem sending short shotgun barrels to Canada unless the receiver is Police/millitary.
http://www.dlaskarms.com/
Leadhead.
I guess you say "were non-restricted" becuase they aren't now? regardless, restricted or not I would love to own something like that pictured, but i'm pretty bound now to buy an 11-87 in 14". Yea its going to be restricted but its more of a novelty than anything.
How in the hell did a pistol gripped 12" barrelled shotgun check out as non-restricted is beyond me. I mean that **** is inspected and approved of class before it can be sold, so what, was the guys tape measure broken when he measured overall length? lol
Where can you pick up these SMD 12" shottys? Are they still non-restricted??
I guess you say "were non-restricted" becuase they aren't now? regardless, restricted or not I would love to own something like that pictured, but i'm pretty bound now to buy an 11-87 in 14". Yea its going to be restricted but its more of a novelty than anything.
How in the hell did a pistol gripped 12" barrelled shotgun check out as non-restricted is beyond me. I mean that **** is inspected and approved of class before it can be sold, so what, was the guys tape measure broken when he measured overall length? lol
Where can you pick up these SMD 12" shottys? Are they still non-restricted??
Taurus44
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I emailed Dlask months ago and never got a reply. And they have no pricing for barrels on their site.
The SMD 12's are being reviewed because they are under the 26" min. for overall length. They were registered as non-restricted because of the wording of the law that says you cannot reduce the length of the shotgun to under 26" by modifying or installing a colapsable or folding stock.....this gun comes from Dlask(manufacturer) built on an 870 receiver with a stock pistol grip that has not been modified so the law does not apply.
It's a loop hole in our crazy gun laws and if it gets rules as a restricted the people who have bought them will have to install a regular butt stock to keep it non-restricted. They are selling for around $800Cdn.
The whole idea on this shotgun was to give us something we could pack easily in the bush for bear defence...in Canada only professionals working in the bush can get a permit to carry a handgun(restricted guns can only be shot at the range)... so this non-restricted short shot gun would allow common folk a compact carry option in the bush.
Dlask is sometimes hard to get in touch with.....try phoning.
The barrels sell for around $300cdn
It's a loop hole in our crazy gun laws and if it gets rules as a restricted the people who have bought them will have to install a regular butt stock to keep it non-restricted. They are selling for around $800Cdn.
The whole idea on this shotgun was to give us something we could pack easily in the bush for bear defence...in Canada only professionals working in the bush can get a permit to carry a handgun(restricted guns can only be shot at the range)... so this non-restricted short shot gun would allow common folk a compact carry option in the bush.
Dlask is sometimes hard to get in touch with.....try phoning.
The barrels sell for around $300cdn
Found their site using google and they show nothing of shotguns, however they have a real nice pump action carbine!
I always wondered about that, it says so right on the cfc, you cannot 'modify' or else it changes the class, but if its manufactured that way then whatever. Interesting.
Are these still for sale?, Thats the perfect LEGAL way to keep your ass protected from wildlife while hiking or hunting, I want one now.
I always wondered about that, it says so right on the cfc, you cannot 'modify' or else it changes the class, but if its manufactured that way then whatever. Interesting.
Are these still for sale?, Thats the perfect LEGAL way to keep your ass protected from wildlife while hiking or hunting, I want one now.
Dgindlesperger
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question, Can you register the reciever as a pistol? Works for a AR so you can use a short barrel and as long as you don't throw a stock on it it's a pistol so no SBR tax stamp is needed.
If you start with a receiver that has never had a shoulder stock on it, you can register it as an AOW (Any Other Weapon). AOWs are $200 to make on a Form 1, $5 to transfer on a Form 4. I have a 28 gauge AOW built on a T/C Encore pistol frame.
Being in Canada I have a 14" Remington factory barrel that goes onto my 870 once in a while but they are overrated IMO. Unless I have a real space issue I am happier with the 20 inch. Better handling and less muzzle flash.
The super-shorties and the Dlask guns have limited application and I think both put your forward hand far too close to the muzzle for my liking.
The super-shorties and the Dlask guns have limited application and I think both put your forward hand far too close to the muzzle for my liking.
Yea but once you buy it as non-restricted they can't just go and change your certificate, can they? I mean after (if they do) they change it that means everyone buying it from that point on would be classed as restricted, where people who bought it before are titeling it as non-restricted?
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