Want a new flat-screen TV?...go to jail!!!

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What's the old quote? "I used to be disgutsed, but now I try to be amused..."???

Unreal. :barf: :barf: :barf:



Oregon prisoners get flat-screen TVs
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/05/03/prison.tv.ap/index.html

SALEM, Oregon (AP) -- Convicted felon Nicholas Krahmer kicks back on a bunk and enjoys one of the latest perks of prison life: A spanking new flat-screen TV that's still the envy of many viewers on the outside.

The tiny 7-inch set resembles flat-screen models installed in cars or on airplane seats. But it beats the alternative, he says -- a night in the recreation room with about 150 other inmates who are prone to brawls over what to watch and where to sit.

Oregon's in-cell television policy springs from years of frustration in finding incentives for good behavior among prisoners serving mandatory sentences.

Krahmer bought the $300 television with money he earned working in prison, where he is paid a few dollars a day for computer drafting. Inmates also must have clean discipline records to qualify for the flat-screens.

"I've worked for it. I've stayed clear of any sort of nonsense in the institution," said Krahmer, 27, who is serving 70 months at Oregon State Correctional Institution, outside Salem, for assault with a knife.

"I've never seen an episode of 'Survivor.' I'm eager to watch that. I want to see what my family watches."

Randy Geer, administrator of the prisons' non-cash incentive programs, said that as far as he knows, Oregon is the only state where felons have flat-screen TVs in their cells. The 25 inmates who have bought the high-tech TVs get the same basic cable that's piped into the prison's common TV room.

Before the flat-screen program began in Krahmer's prison last month, Oregon was already one of 16 states in the country to allow in-cell televisions.

But most inmates in the state's 12 medium and maximum security prisons did not benefit: Only one of those prisons allowed personal TVs, and they were of the traditional tube variety, not flat-screens.
Practical gadget

While allowing inmates to enjoy the latest high-tech gadgetry may seem odd, prison officials stress the flat-screens -- which the state plans to introduce soon in all 12 of its higher security prisons -- were selected for practical reasons.

Bulky tube televisions pose dangers, such as parts that could be used as a weapon, and hollow spaces that could serve as a hiding place for contraband, Geer said.

Flat-screen TVs used at the Oregon prison are made of clear plastic -- so inmates cannot hide contraband inside.

Managers also considered cramped prison cells and decided the sleek, flat-screen models made sense.

"It was really the best solution," Geer said. "It is not a luxury item."

Before implementing the policy, Oregon officials questioned prison directors about television policy in all 50 states. Some states have decided to prohibit TVs in cells because the traditional tube models are too bulky. If a prisoner is sent to disciplinary confinement, the prison must store his or her belongings.

"Try finding space for 1,000 13-inch televisions," Geer said.
Opposing view

Steve Doell, president of the Oregon chapter of Crime Victims United, opposes television in prison for anything other than educational programming and to ease the work of correctional staff in disciplining inmates.

"If I were in charge, I would make sure they watch the Learning Channel, Discovery and C-Span," he said. "There's lots of movies and entertainment that show violence and sexual behavior."

Rank and file officers, however, are nearly as happy as the inmates.

"It's cut down on the number of inmates that come out in the evening to watch TV," said Julian Ruiz, a corrections officer who operates electronic door locks and monitors a cell block. "The more people you get down here in the evening, the more problems."

In the common TV room, each cell with two inmates is given a night to choose what to watch, and the honor rotates in strict order, Ruiz said. Prison staff intercede only to ensure major television events are shown, such as the Super Bowl, the NCAA basketball championships and the World Series. There is little interest in presidential addresses or other news, Ruiz said.

"If you ask, 'who wants to watch Bill Moyers?' one hand goes up, maybe. You ask about football, 100 hands go up," he said.

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A three hundred dollar 7" TV? That he paid for himself? Am I supposed to be upset?

Prison isn't supposed to be a picnic, but I don't think they should be limited to stale bread and water.
 
Sounds like a good idea.
If you want someone to sit like a zombie and cease to think, put them in front of a TV.
 
Ok, perhaps I'm being a harda$$, but, on the chance this is a violent felon- why "in-cell privileges at all? I thought at minimum, prison was a place to be punished, where one would be forced to think of the consequences of their actions, potentially "rehabilitated" (whatever that means anymore), but....


...entertained? :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
I agree with the rehabilitation aspect, which is why the privilage must be earned and can be taken away.

The pupose of punishment should be to make sure the act does not happen again, it should not be purely for revenge.

Be hard where Hard is warranted, give privilages when they are earned. That's how the real world is.

I would feel alot better about it if it was educational only TV or at least non cable.
 
The purpose of prison is what you could call a shifting paradigm. Ideas and methods have been changing ever since the first prisons were created. Punishment, retribution, rehabilitation, restorative justice, etc... have all been tried. The basic idea of corrections theory is that , well, "nothing works" as far as finding a methodology that has some effect on crime reduction or recidivism reduction.

However, there is a bigger picture here than just are they there for punishment or rehab, etc... What it comes down to is inmate management. That is the main reason for programs such as allowing them to earn the privilege of earning money and buying things to help spend the time. It keeps them complacent, busy, and easier for the prison staff to manage. Inmates are typically easier to deal with in situations where they have privileges that are at stake if they misbehave.
 
Falconer's got it right. We don't allow personal privileges like cell TV's in the prison where I work (the Federal prison system, at the high- and max-security level, is anything but a "Club Fed" - you DON'T want to be an inmate there!), but we have other small incentives - extra telephone minutes, sometimes additional commissary privileges, etc. I think it would be good to have the ability to offer TV's like this, but it ain't gonna happen on the taxpayer dollar...
 
Sounds good to me

He paid for it with his own money, earned at less than minimum wage, and he's watching it all by himself in his own cell. Did anyone here read Tom Wolfe's book, "A Man in Full"? There's some writing there about a guy who's really done nothing wrong, not even malum prohibitum by my lights, who gets locked up with some really nasty thugs who hog the TV channel changer.


I dunno, but if I were sent to prison for telling a cop his haircut was stupid-looking, or something similarly inconsequential, I'd be happy to be locked up in my own cell watching C-SPAN or The History Channel on my own TV rather than be out with the dangerous folks who were sent up for rape, robbery, and murder, who would undoubtedly watch the latest rock'n roll headbanger MTV doodah channel,and if I complained about their bad taste, would be very happy to pull my pants off and sodomize me.


Edit: Don't wish to cause confusion here; the guy in the book was locked up for the usual paperwork violations having to do with California's crazy car laws; the hypothetical above comes from my own (justifiable, I believe) cop fear.
 
If they were offered no priviledges at all there would be nothing to encourage good behavior. And if you have nothing to take away you have no way to DISCOURAGE bad behavior. A well behaved prisoner costs LESS to take care of than an aggresively misbehaving prisoner. Not to mention that he paid for it himself and will STILL stands to have it taken away if he screws up. Sounds just fine.

Plus i really hate it when news articles badly insult my intelligence:
A spanking new flat-screen TV that's still the envy of many viewers on the outside.

followed immediatly with:
The tiny 7-inch set

Right, i've always wanted a 7 inch TV to watch in my place of residence.
 
I would not be so quick to believe that the inmates can't make some sort of weapon out of their flat screen TVs. They can be pretty inventive.

One of the nastiest prison weapons I have ever heard of is to take magazines and glue all the pages together using a mix of toothpaste and water then roll them up tightly to make a baton that is as hard as wood. Two can be joined together to form nunchaku.

I am sure there is something you could make out of the parts of a flat screen TV. That clear case could possibly be turned into a shank. The cord or cable could be used as a garrote or combined with a weight at the end to become a morning star. I am sure there is all sorts of things that could be made with the electrical parts inside.

Security concerns aside as long as they are paying for the TV themselves (and hopefully kicking in for the cable bill) I don't have anything against it. Like 444 said TV is a great way to pacify someone.
 
Krahmer bought the $300 television with money he earned working in prison, where he is paid a few dollars a day for computer drafting.


I was all PO'd, untill I read this part.

Who the hell gives a ???? if he EARNED it?!



If the state was prioviding these things, and if it were a 50" Runco worth $25grand, then I'd get my blood pressure up.


All that said, if I ever am homeless and can't get any food, and can't work, I'm robing 7-11s, poorly, untill I get thrown in Welfare. I mean Jail.
 
I agree:

Paying inmates for work: Good

Giving them more than the minimum for free: Bad (Lazy, have it 'good' in prison mentality)

Able to improve their situation by working: Good
Able to improve their situation by good behavior: Good
Prison officials having a range of options to keep disipline: Good

Carrot and Stick, Carrot and Stick. Besides, prison sentences are so long that the sentence alone doesn't have much psychological effect. Structures within the prison structure...

$300 for a 7" television? Steep, but what the heck. He's worked what, a half of a year for a 7" television. Give the guy a break.

This is one inmate who's going to be carefull with his screen. He's not likely to do anything to risk losing it.
 
Where's the punishment? They lie in bed and watch cable TV.


Kids don't stab anyone, you'll have to buy your own TV. We'll supply the cable and bed, of course.
 
Krahmer bought the $300 television with money he earned working in prison, where he is paid a few dollars a day for computer drafting.
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I was all PO'd, untill I read this part.

Who the hell gives a ???? if he EARNED it?!

The problem is that one part of the "payment of one's debt to society" quite often is some sort of hefty monetary fine or recompense to the victim of one's crime. Wouldn't it be better to use that money to help him pay off that financial portion of the sentence?
 
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