Want Libertarian views?

[mercedesrules]

On some threads lately I've gotten the impression that only one view would be tolerated on the topic. How many here want to hear the libertarian view on each topic? How many don't?

MR

 

[Jeff White]

MR,
Everyone's views are welcome here as long as they are discussed IAW the rules of conduct.

Jeff

 

[Nightcrawler]

Of course you'll be providing this "libertarian view"?

THR has no shortage of people who claim to be libertarians. If you post your opinion in a thread, and the majority of other posters disagree with you...well that's really just too bad. You obviously haven't been banned, so no one is trying to censor "the libertarian view".

Do you want people who disagree with you to just not say anything, or what?

 

[flatrock]

I'd like to hear "Libertarian views". I may agree with those views in some cases, and strongly disagree in others. However, if I'm not willing to listen to other views, how can I end up with an informed view of my own?

 

[Mulliga]

Wha-huh? There are a crapload of libertarians on THR. I'm one of them.

 

[RatFink]

I like hearing the Libertarian view on things, I have many Libertarian beliefs, but as I told you in another thread, I don't think your views are representative of the general view of Libertarians, you are an Extremist. That's not to say that your view shouldn't be heard, but as an Extremist you should know that your views are gonna kick up a lot of dust.

 

[pax]

RatFink ~

You'd do better to debate issues rather than calling names and slapping labels on people.

And who knows, maybe you'll learn something while you're at it.

pax

If you want government to intervene domestically, you're a liberal. If you want government to intervene overseas, you're a conservative. If you want government to intervene everywhere, you're a moderate. If you don't want government to intervene anywhere, you're an extremist. – Joseph Sobran

 

[Michigander]

Of course I want to hear libertarian views. In as much as they agree with mine!

j/k

 

[DTLoken]

Yes, personally I would. Lots of times I see people who are basically demonized (And called the evil L word, lol) if god forbid they speak against Herr Bush and the Republicans.

I'd say i'm mostly a libertarian so hearing more from that side would be better.

 

[RatFink]

Sorry, the forum hung when I hit post and my first post didn't show up, so i posted again.

RatFink ~

You'd do better to debate issues rather than calling names and slapping labels on people.

And who knows, maybe you'll learn something while you're at it.

pax

How is your condescending tone here any different, if that's not how you meant then then I'm sorry, but it sounds like your insinuating I don't know enough about anything to comment about this.

I stand by what I said, he himself said that he isn't a true Libertarian, that he thinks it doesn't go far enough concerning his self interest which is all that matters to him.

Yes, I have discovered the flaws of big-L Libertarianism. "Duty to country" and "greater good" are two of them. Taxation and welfare/warfare are the worst. There can't be liberty while there is any of these things.
Individual liberty is my "greater good".

I didn't say that he didn't have a right to speak, or that people shouldn't be interested in what he has to say, just that he knows he's an Extremist and should expect some dust when he lets loose.

 

[Tamara]

Is there an echo in here, RatFink?

 

[RatFink]

Is there an echo in here, RatFink?

Sorry I fixed it.

 

[R.H. Lee]

Yes, I would like to hear the Libertarian view on issues discussed here. Very much. The only thing I know about Libertarians is that they want to cut off social security and legalize drugs.

 

[pax]

RatFink ~

I stand by what I said, he himself said that he isn't a true Libertarian,

Actually, you misunderstood that one, I think. There's a difference between a Libertarian and a libertarian. MercedesRules is a consistent libertarian, which means she's not a true Libertarian (eg, a member of the Libertarian Party).

What's a libertarian? L. Neil Smith's definition would work: "...the Non-Aggression Principle, a product of honest, open, courageous Libertarian thinking about ethics, states that "no one has the right, under any circumstances, to initiate force against another human being." This is all Libertarianism consists of, no more, no less. ... Those who act consistently with it are Libertarians, whether they realize it or not. Those who fail to act consistently with it are not Libertarians, regardless of what they may claim."

that he thinks it doesn't go far enough concerning his self interest which is all that matters to him.

You think instead everyone should try to figure out what would be best for other people, and make decisions accordingly? Yeah, that'll work. It did so very well for the Soviets...

I didn't say that he didn't have a right to speak, or that people shouldn't be interested in what he has to say, just that he knows he's an Extremist and should expect some dust when he lets loose.

Sure, keep calling names and slapping labels. Shall I start calling you a statist or a liberal? (One of those might be accurate, but neither gets us any forwarder...)

pax

Liberals want the government to be your Mommy. Conservatives want government to be your Daddy. Libertarians want it to treat you like an adult. – Andre Marrou

 

[RatFink]

From libertarian.org/

The libertarian, or "classical liberal," perspective is that individual well-being, prosperity, and social harmony are fostered by "as much liberty as possible" and "as little government as necessary."

I agree with this philosophy, if it's a poor defininition then somebody needs to work on getting the real one out.

You think instead everyone should try to figure out what would be best for other people, and make decisions accordingly? Yeah, that'll work. It did so very well for the Soviets...

I think that what I said above should explain that I don't think that.

Sure, keep calling names and slapping labels. Shall I start calling you a statist or a liberal? (One of those might be accurate, but neither gets us any forwarder...)

I'm pretty sure that the majority of libertarians still feel there are social responsibilities in life, not that they should be forced on you by the GOV, but by free will (If I'm wrong tell me). "Duty to Country" and "Greater Good" can be chosen, it can be and should be a choice made by your free will. believing that there are no social responsibilities in life, and that it's all only about looking out for yourself is Egoism, and it's an Extreme viewpoint.

 

[The_Antibubba]

If I didn't want to hear Libertarian viewpoints, do you think I'd waste my time on THR?

 

[StuporDave]

Yes I want to hear libertarian views.

I don't know what specifically prompted you to post this poll, but it sounds like you're upset because people didn't agree with your views.

Just because I want to hear them doesn't mean I'm going to agree with all of them. If you're wanting to post your opinion/views on a topic and have everyone agree, you're in the wrong place.

Lively discussion of issues I care about is a main reason I come to this board daily. If everybody agreed on everything I'd find another board.

Dave

 

[lee n. field]

The libertarian view, like there's only one?

 

[Sean Smith]

On some threads lately I've gotten the impression that only one view would be tolerated on the topic. How many here want to hear the libertarian view on each topic? How many don't?

"Tolerated" is an interesting word.

As far as allowing or not allowing posts, only the moderators/admins do the "tolerating." They either leave it, lock it, move it or delete it. Since the people running this site are by and large libertarian, or at least libertarian-flavored, it seems rather preposterous to whine about a lack of tolerance for libertarian views here.

Of course, the moderators/admins have no obligation to put up with you or any other poster. This is a private forum, something a libertarian would presumably appreciate. But just out of curiousity, do you have any examples of the mods/admins NOT tolerating your point of view?

As far as other the posters are concerned, we are under no obligation to give your views the slightest consideration whatsoever. We just have to obey the rules of conduct like you do. If too few people agree with you here, well boo hoo.

 

[JohnBT]

"How many here want to hear the libertarian view on each topic?"

I haven't voted yet.

Do you mean each topic as in each and every topic? Or just some of the topics? Does the Libertarian Party even have an official position on each topic?

John

 

[BigG]

Put me down as a "no."

I usually just skip past the drivelous, self righteous comments.

 

[Joe Demko]

I'll settle for not having the term "leftist" applied to everybody who isn't a Bushie.

 

[mercedesrules]

(nightcrawler)Do you want people who disagree with you to just not say anything, or what?

(stupordave)I don't know what specifically prompted you to post this poll, but it sounds like you're upset because people didn't agree with your views.

(JohnBT) Do you mean each topic as in each and every topic? Or just some of the topics? Does the Libertarian Party even have an official position on each topic?

Since I exist in real life, I worry about statements like:

(davec) I, as every single person I have discussed the Pat Tillman tragedy with, do believe that Pat Tillman was a hero. Do I think this because of a "knee jerk" reaction based on conditioning by "America is #1 propaganda bull?" No, I believe this because it is an irrefutable fact.

(Ktulu) Blanket Party!

(Partisan Ranger) What are we debating?

That Tillman died to keep us free?
That Tillman gave up a life of luxury and made the ultimate sacrifice?
That Tillman is a a hero in the truest sense of the word?

In my view, these are irrefutable facts. There is no debate.

(DonP)Is horsewhipping illegal in Massachusetts?

(foreign devil)Anyone who opposes the military action in Afghanistan is a masochist or a fool.

Or an enemy.

(bad_dad_brad) They will never get why Tillman made the ultimate sacrifice, but any true American does,

(standing bear)the simple fact that he went over there and fought for something makes him a hero in my book

(Digme)The first guy that walks up and punches this ******* in the mouth will also be a hero in my book.

MR

 

[Foreign Devil]

Let me do my best sum up the libertarian viewpoint.

Foriegn Policy: Screw 'em!

Social Issues: Go take a leap!

Economic Issues: Get a job!

And no that is not a compliment.

I worry about statements like:

(foreign devil)Anyone who opposes the military action in Afghanistan is a masochist or a fool.

Okay I was a little angry when I wrote that. I support tolerance of dissenting viewpoints no matter how stupid I think they are.

 

[dischord]

I usually just skip past the drivelous, self righteous comments.

And yet you consistently troll with the same. BTW, you'll see that high school isn't all that scary once you get there in a few years.