Want to reload .410

I tried the brass shell thing. I even tried converting 303 British. Never like messing with brass 410. I bit the bullet and bought a case of Winchester 410 with the newer AA HS shell and never looked back. For shot shell the AA HS hulls last longer than other 410 shell I have tried. That said I have bough a bunch of Cheddite hulls from Ballistic Products that I used for roll crimping slug loads.
 
Appalachiannative said:
For Christmas the Mrs got me my first shotgun in .410 bore. It's something I've been wanting to try for a while just to add an extra element of skill to my small game hunting. I've noticed that presses in .410 are a lot more expensive new than their larger counter parts, with the exception of the 10 gauge, and so I've been considering getting into roll crimping. But then I discovered this product
https://www.thexringusa.com/product-page/survival-loader-for-410-ga does anyone on here have experience with this?
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I picked up one to load .410 for my Bond Arms. I loaded 40 shells without much fuss, it works well enough that I will never buy a box of .410’s. Understand though that if you plan on shooting a lot of .410 this would not be the way I would go.
 
Regular metallic press can't be used for shotgun because the 209 shotshell is too large.

I use the Lee Universal decapper to deprime the .444 Marlin. A .44 gas Check can also be used on top of the shot column.

Those 209 primers can be used in 10, 12, 16, 20 and 28 ga. The .444 can use LPP, as well as LRP.

Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to keep shooting.
 
As you now see Balistic Products is the place to go for anything shotshell related. Also 45 Colt is a couple thousands larger than 410 and will not fit in a shotgun on purpose. I have used 444 Marlin brass and presently I use the 200 Magtec 410 brass hulls I got 5 or so years ago.
I also use 45 cal nitro cards and solid wads from BP as well.
 
FROGO207 said:
As you now see Balistic Products is the place to go for anything shotshell related. Also 45 Colt is a couple thousands larger than 410 and will not fit in a shotgun on purpose. I have used 444 Marlin brass and presently I use the 200 Magtec 410 brass hulls I got 5 or so years ago.
I also use 45 cal nitro cards and solid wads from BP as well.
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I've been getting most of my wads and all my lead from bpi as well as those pre primed cheddite hulls I had no idea they had better prices on the die sets since I just I never checked. Thought you had to get all that stuff from mec. At that price it will be totally worth it to just convert my 600 Jr since I also have a sizemaster in 12 gauge that I can continue to use for that Since the .410s are harder to come by and I only use them in the one gun for the one purpose ergo won't be loading as many
 
mcb said:
I tried the brass shell thing. I even tried converting 303 British. Never like messing with brass 410. I bit the bullet and bought a case of Winchester 410 with the newer AA HS shell and never looked back. For shot shell the AA HS hulls last longer than other 410 shell I have tried. That said I have bough a bunch of Cheddite hulls from Ballistic Products that I used for roll crimping slug loads.
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I've dabble with the brass .410 hulls. I got a set of 444 Marlin dies to size the neck of the case. I forget what shell holder I used but it is readily available and marked for a rifle case of some kind (I've slept a bit since I loaded some brass .410 hulls).

It was a fun project to play with.

When I was shooting competitive skeet, I'd buy a case of .410 shells, usually Winchester AA. I shoot the new factory ammunition in tournaments to generate hulls for reloading shells for practice. (I did the same for 20 and 28 gauge ammunition. My 20 gauge averages were higher than my 12 gauge averages so I shot 20 gauge in the 12 gauge event.)

Winchester AA had the best life with R-P a close second. I'm still working off my previous AA hulls and have not loaded many of the .410 Win AA-HS hulls.

I generally stuck with one brand of hull in .410. Sometimes the reloader needs adjustment when changing brands of hull. Easy and laziest to just stick with one brand of hull.

Loading .410 shells on a MEC 600jr is a bit slower than loading the larger gauges on a 600jr. Everything is smaller with .410 and more care needs to be exercised when processing the hulls.
 
N555 said:
209s are cheap and available everywhere.
I say buy chedites they are about half the price of domestic 209s.
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Can't find much load data in .410 with the euro primers which sucks because I've got over 1000 cheddites, about 900 FiOS, 400 fed 209As, and maybe 100 CCI. The euro primers are easier to find. I know a lot of folks say it is dangerous to substitute but the way I see it if a load calls for them fed 209As the euro primers ain't gonna blow your gun up because they don't seem as hot. When I get a new primer Ive not used before I seat one in an empty shell and fire it out of my single shot 12 just to kinda see how loud it is. I feel like euro primers sound like .22 LR and the fed 209As sound like .22 mags so I know they gotta be hotter. I don't want to be in trouble here so I still must say I don't recommend anyone substitute primers
 
jmorris said:
Could you poke a spent one of these out in your press?

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If the shell holders a problem, your press probably would be too.
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Do spent primers have to be deprimed on a press? So ling as I can size, charge, and crimp on a standard press I dont see why such a die set isn't made.

Far easier to buy a set of dies over an entire press.
 
Appalachiannative said:
Can't find much load data in .410 with the euro primers which sucks because I've got over 1000 cheddites, about 900 FiOS, 400 fed 209As, and maybe 100 CCI. The euro primers are easier to find. I know a lot of folks say it is dangerous to substitute but the way I see it if a load calls for them fed 209As the euro primers ain't gonna blow your gun up because they don't seem as hot. When I get a new primer Ive not used before I seat one in an empty shell and fire it out of my single shot 12 just to kinda see how loud it is. I feel like euro primers sound like .22 LR and the fed 209As sound like .22 mags so I know they gotta be hotter. I don't want to be in trouble here so I still must say I don't recommend anyone substitute primers
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Cheddites are commonly used as a replacement for the win 209 without adverse effect
 
Barbaroja said:
Cheddites are commonly used as a replacement for the win 209 without adverse effect
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Man that opens up a lot of possibilities. I've only been doing this about 3 years or so but in that time I've never seen not one single box of win 209s for sale. Fio's and cheds and the occasional fed 209A is all that's ever in stock online and euro primers marked up nearly double at the nearest gun show
 
TTv2 said:
Do spent primers have to be deprimed on a press? So ling as I can size, charge, and crimp on a standard press I dont see why such a die set isn't made.

Far easier to buy a set of dies over an entire press.
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I'm not sure if all the stuff would fit right. The style of resizer that's used on a 600jr is a lot bigger than the dies that I've seen on a metallic cartridge press. Someone would probably have to invent something. You can unseat a 209 from a 12 gauge using a hex nut a rubber mallet and a punch, people claim you can skip resize if it's gonna be fired through the same gun every time but I've never tried that. then again what do I know ive got a Lee breechlock challenger I've never set up cause I shoot shotguns and black powder more often than modern handguns or rifles. I've got the die sets for 30-30 and for .357 mag but I've never been able to find any small pistol or rifle primers so the things just been sitting in the box for years. Components for shot shells have just been so much easier to get it's all I've done
 
TTv2 said:
Do spent primers have to be deprimed on a press?
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Obviously not or the “wack a mole” type loaders wouldn’t work if it had to be done on a press. That said, it would be pointless to make a decap/size die if it couldn’t be used in any press.

The question was raised as to why someone hadn’t made them. That’s one reason, selling them is probably another, I don’t think Lee offers their classic loader in them any longer and they used to make them. Probably a better question to ask them, is why they stopped?
 
jmorris said:
Obviously not or the “wack a mole” type loaders wouldn’t work if it had to be done on a press. That said, it would be pointless to make a decap/size die if it couldn’t be used in any press.

The question was raised as to why someone hadn’t made them. That’s one reason, selling them is probably another, I don’t think Lee offers their classic loader in them any longer and they used to make them. Probably a better question to ask them, is why they stopped?
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It was a rhetorical question and I see no reason why a sizing die has to be used during decapping.

I'd rather whack out the spent primer off press (since it's an issue on non shotgun presses) and size, charge, crimp on my Lee LCT or single stage.
 
TTv2 said:
It was a rhetorical question and I see no reason why a sizing die has to be used during decapping.

I'd rather whack out the spent primer off press (since it's an issue on non shotgun presses) and size, charge, crimp on my Lee LCT or single stage.
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Lots of stuff could be done, if there is a market someone will probably make it. Kind of like the pet rock, if someone would buy it, another will pay people to put them in a box. The smaller the number the made, the higher the price gets though.

Like the $89 hammer style tool in the OP, it would be a much smarter move to pony up another $30 and get the correct conversion for the shotgun press he already has (see #32) if he intends to make many at all.
 
jmorris said:
Lots of stuff could be done, if there is a market someone will probably make it. Kind of like the pet rock, if someone would buy it, another will pay people to put them in a box. The smaller the number the made, the higher the price gets though.

Like the $89 hammer style tool in the OP, it would be a much smarter move to pony up another $30 and get the correct conversion for the shotgun press he already has (see #32) if he intends to make many at all.
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I agree with that. Having a press that can be changed over is half the battle.
Whack a mole is only good if you don't mind being slow. I do it while my boys watch paw patrol for the 500th time.
But I'm loading one box a month.
 
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