Ward Churchill and Murdering US Officers

[2nd Amendment]

I love Ward! He's great. He and people like him should keep right on talking and the media needs to play every word of it, unedited, for the sentient part of the population to think about. The 1st Amendment doesn't just exist so normal people can spout off, ya know.

 

[ravinraven]

An odd thought

Way back when, the guy---can't think of his name, dammit---said "Though I do not agree with a word you say, I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

I've had people say to me about some of my rantings: "I fully agree with everything you say, but I' ain't about to stick my neck out and repeat any of it."

We owe a lot to "progressives."

rr

 

[Rebar]

"I do not agree with a word you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
—Voltaire

A lot of folks here are making an error. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence.

 

[LawDog]

Any right that you exercise comes with responsibilities and obligations.

I am sick and tired of the recent view promulgated by various universities and the Internet that it's perfectly all right to claim whatever right you want, while ignoring the inherent responsibilities and obligations of that right.

Ward Churchill has the right to shoot off his mouth. Along with that right, he has the obligation not to cause harm to anyone else while shooting off said cakehole.

If, while running his yap, he spreads falsehoods, incorrect information or flat out lies, then his right to free speech also includes the responsibilty to correct his error and take the flak like a man.

LawDog

 

[Vern Humphrey]

Ward Churchill has the right to shoot off his mouth. Along with that right, he has the obligation not to cause harm to anyone else while shooting off said cakehole.

People like Churchill are notoriously unwilling to take responsibility.

But that's okay -- as long as WE also have freedom of speech to refute and oppose them.

Let slimeballs like this talk -- they only make themselves and those who support them stand out so the rest of us can see them for what they are.

 

[torpid]

"I do not agree with a word you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it, although fragging an officer has a much more impactful effect."

—Voltaire?



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[NHBB]

may he some day cross paths with a current or former officer and see how far his protected freedom of speech gets him on the streets.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

may he some day cross paths with a current or former officer and see how far his protected freedom of speech gets him on the streets.

That would be me -- as a former adviser and company commander during two tours in Viet Nam. And as satisfying as it would be to break his nose for him, it would be counterproductive.

 

[ravinraven]

I have sometimes thought of liberty as a wall that protects us from tyranny. The blocks the wall is made of are our rights. The mortar holding those blocks in place is our responsibility. When the mortar of responsibility is removed the wall falls down. When the gov't sets a right aside for our "benefit" with the mortar removed, now there is a hole in the wall and tyranny leaks in.

Anytime the gov't finds a "right" they need to "protect" for you, the sum total of liberty diminishes.

rr

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

I heard someone say once, that you have to understand codewords.

"Right" = "Priviledge" Today

We have been so beaten down by the word "rights", we have forgotten this.

I view my "rights" as what I have earned, or my ancestors have earned me, by being an American. They are not a priviledge, they are a trust.

My ancestors certainly paid a heavier price than I have so far.

That said, Wardy boy has a right to say what he pleases (until he commits a crime by saying the words). He gives us a true look into academia. Before you lay down your sweat and tears to send your little ones off to college, check out the faculty. Money talks BS walks.

Oh, on rights, I was approached by a young comely lass several years ago in Downtown St. Louis who had a petition on a clipboard. I read the petition as she was yammering at me to sign it. It had the word "rights" about 15 times in each paragraph. I handed the clipboard back to her, without signing the petition. She looked puzzled and asked me why I didn't sign it. I told her "Maybe I think you have too many rights already." Priceless.

 

[middy]

Let me ask you this: would you render support to someone who hadn't peacefully criticized Ward Churchill, but rather instead strung him up by his ankles, thrashed him with nettles, and left him in the swamp overnight for the mosquitoes?

Just a rhetorical question...

 

[BeLikeTrey]

Ward needs to have somone drug him and take him to afganistan and dropped off.

then see what the marines at the gates say to him if he makes it that far to a base

 

[Harve Curry]

"Fragging an officer has a much more impactful effect"

He's talking about rolling a grenade under a fellow American soldier, whether that is an officer or not, it sounds like treason to me.
Would he have gotten away with saying that in WWII?

 

[EghtySx]

Is he in effect advocating fragging someone who doesn't believe the way you do? Well, he certainly in no way thinks the way I do ...

 

[Ezekiel]

Dealing with hypotheticals...

What I read is that Ward Churchill is endorsing the murder of US military officers as an acceptable principle of opposition.

1. I cannot disagree with the above, if you're the "other guy" (i.e., the enemy).

2. As for "fragging" my own officers, there are without question situations wherein I would do it: in a heartbeat. (Anyone who cannot fathom such a situation was either brainwashed in boot camp, has very little imagination, or both.)

3. But I am personally unaware of any such situations occurring right now that would lead me to such action.

However, if we continue to act as an imperialist and self-righteous Charlemagne -- creating further global turmoil and decaying our personal freedoms under the guise of "protection" -- I may be forced to reevaluate my stance: we'll know in five years.

"Good luck to us all!"

 

[JOE MACK]

Churchill

If he'd ever really been in 'Nam, HE'D have been the one to be killed by friendly fire. Morning would have found this nutball deceased in his bunker, trench, or foxhole. He might have been shot in the back while running from the enemy. What a pathetic individual.

 

[Hammerhead]

Churchill in Viet Nam

Hello,
It's kind of ironic that Viet Nam came up here, because that is another area where Mr Churchill has ... how shall I put this... an active fantasy life. He was apparently in VN, but his records show no actual combat, and he claims to have volunteered for LRRP (Long Range Recon Patrols), a very dangerous and glamorous job. Jusy another lie to make a silly little man seem like more than he is.

Looking at this guy is like digging in a cesspool. The more you dig, the more crap you find.

Oh, and Grand Inquisitor, you said, "... the obligation as a professor and as an academic to challenge the status quo and recieved wisdom, because that is the duty of those who are paid to think. "

and "Churchill is a fully tenured professor meaning that he has a position that is set in stone"

What I have seen is that people really feel that way, that they have to challenge the status quo, not because it is wrong, or because it is not working, but because that is the cool thing to do. If a historian looks at the existing work on a subject and thinks, "Wow, this is absolutely correct. This is THE last word on the subject", there is nothing to publish, nothing to say. But if he says to himself, "Wow, this it the definitive work on the subject. If I attack it, I will get lots of notice!" The system encourages such silliness.

Or the attraction of 'protest-chic'. "Gee, I wish I had something to protest, but the Civil Rights thing is going pretty well, and the Viet Nam war is over, and wow, it doesn't look like any fun at all to work in the inner city, and I SURE don't want to lose my tenured position... Hey I know, I will be all anti-capitalist and say outrageous things and get noticed! I might even get some book-sales out of it!"

I would love to get rid of tenure, but I don't think that it will ever happen. Professors love to talk about how it ensures their freedom to hold unpopular opinions, but I think it really ensures their freedom to hold on to their jobs despite massive incompetence.

Regards,
Hammerhead

 

[ravinraven]

"I would love to get rid of tenure, but I don't think that it will ever happen. Professors love to talk about how it ensures their freedom to hold unpopular opinions, but I think it really ensures their freedom to hold on to their jobs despite massive incompetence."

Amen. I was a tenured prof with an unpopular opinion and got the boot from the SUNY system. Here's how. My unpopular opinion was that the jury I was on found a legal and correct verdict involving a phony rape case. I defended our verdict when the man-tashing establishment "took exception."

Guess what? Budget crunch. Twenty-six are told to pack up and leave. Then a miracle. Enough money was found for twenty-five to stay.

Guess who went.

rr

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

Raven,

Whoooaaa!

Man, If you could prove that you might be able to own the SUNY system.

If you hold a leftist position on the issues.

If NY courts are the same as the Peoples Republic of St. Louis Kounty, you should be able to cash out baby!

Oh, wait a minute, the university forced you out... You must have taken a conservative position. Good luck. I still would sue the SOBs.

You were exercising your duty as a citizen? Jury Duty? I would put them over a slow flame...

 

[ravinraven]

Bad news

Howdy, MtM.

The babe that told me about what they did [Of course I was suspicious because the blessed UUP was helping get me fired] had her lawyer call me up after she sobered up. I was informed that she'd deny the whole thing and sue me if I tried to get her into court to testify.

Yeah. I took a "rule of law" position and not a rule of man position as the Libs do. That made me bad medicine. Conservative bastid, me.

rr

 

[mountainclmbr]

This clown was voted "most popular professor" at CU recently. Many leftists in Boulder have bumper stickers saying "Free Tibet". This really confuses me. I am getting a bumper sticker that says "Free Boulder First!"

 

[SamlautRanger]

After having spent the last 3 years in Afghanistan, Kosovo, Iraq, and Cambodia fighting terrorism and criminal activity - I am starting to think that some of the USA's worst enemies are here in our own country. Some of these liberals and the immorality are doing more to destroy our nation than terrorism ever will.

Ward Churchills statements outrage me and it even outrages me more that so many support him. This shows how far our nation has declined. What would happen if a College professor in 1943 had said the same things?

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

SamlautRanger -- Thank you for your service.

When these liberals get soooo close to treason, it amazes me. I believe in free speech. I don't care what this (non high road rant) "professor" says. He is a poser and an idiot. What I can't understand is why universities give these slime a platform.

Oh, the U's will say, "strident discourse", "marketplace of ideas", "diversity" and the usual BS.

It will stop when the money stops going to fund these scum filling our faculties. (I do believe there are more on the Churchill side than we realize).

Work through your representatives to attack this stuff. Check the bonafides of the faculty of your state universites through the university website. Read their stuff. Concentrate on the J school, "ethnic studies", and the other cesspools of leftists.

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[Vern Humphrey]

After having spent the last 3 years in Afghanistan, Kosovo, Iraq, and Cambodia fighting terrorism and criminal activity - I am starting to think that some of the USA's worst enemies are here in our own country. Some of these liberals and the immorality are doing more to destroy our nation than terrorism ever will.

Amen. The worst of it is, our enemies see and hear what they do and they think, "If we just hang on a little longer, commit a few more atrocities, kill a few more Americans, it will be Viet Nam all over again."

That's giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Don't let these people do to your generation what they did to my generation.