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[OptimusPrime]

Goodness, we have gotten off-topic.
Simple answer is that we've always had sick individuals bent on mass killing. Charles Whitman never played a video game, and the perpetrator of the Bath Schoolhouse bombing in 1927 never took a psycho-healing pill. There are bad people with bad intentions and there always were, and may always be. I hope we find a cure someday.
Until then, back to the OP's point, it is VITAL for us to stay vigilant and steadfast in maintaining that it is the individual who is responsible for these sad acts, not the weapon. Individual responsibility is the crux of what we stand for.

 

[jerkface11]

How are the meds making them crazy?

Suicidal and homicidal thoughts are a side effect of some anti-depressants.

 

[Solo]

Suicidal and homicidal thoughts are a side effect of some anti-depressants.

More specifically, antidepressant medicines may increase suicidal thoughts or actions in some
children, teenagers, and young adults within the first few months of treatment. They generally work better in adults. However, this problem is known to occur in adults as well.

It is, ultimately, a balancing act; do the side effects of anti-depressants outweight their benefits? In the case of people who are severely depressed, for example, are they more likely to harm themselves (or others) with or without medication? In general, people get better with medication, though there is no one size fits all approach, and doctors and family members are advised to monitor the patient for adverse reactions.

I guess they could not call the aggressive behavior and hypomania as homicidal as they must not have actually killed anyone during the drug trails.

So, the side-effects seems to get glossed over in favor of giving patients drugs. The other drug that I listed (Prozac) has its own issues and the side-effects only occur in certain individuals.

While I would not say that these drugs have no side effects, the fact that violent behavior is not observed in patients during the test trials, and indeed, does not reliably occur among those taking the drugs, makes it hard to establish causation.

Cocaine is regarded as addictive because pretty much everyone will become addicted to it if they are a habitual user for a bit. Sugar, however, rarely results in "addiction", which means that means that sugar itself is not necessarily addictive; it requires a combination of factors genetic and environmental. Similarly, the fact that antidepressant users rarely go off on shooting sprees, and when they do, the cases all have different profiles, argues against antidepressants being the cause of the problem.

While there is certainly a lot of things the drug industry (and medical profession) does wrong, putting out antidepressants which cause homicidal shooting sprees is not one of them.

 

[kyew]

Goodness, we have gotten off-topic.
Simple answer is that we've always had sick individuals bent on mass killing. Charles Whitman never played a video game, and the perpetrator of the Bath Schoolhouse bombing in 1927 never took a psycho-healing pill. There are bad people with bad intentions and there always were, and may always be. I hope we find a cure someday.
Until then, back to the OP's point, it is VITAL for us to stay vigilant and steadfast in maintaining that it is the individual who is responsible for these sad acts, not the weapon. Individual responsibility is the crux of what we stand for.

Exactly my point in a nutshell. Thank you.

 

[steelerdude99]

More specifically, antidepressant medicines may increase suicidal thoughts or actions in some
children, teenagers, and young adults within the first few months of treatment. They generally work better in adults. However, this problem is known to occur in adults as well.

...

While I would not say that these drugs have no side effects, the fact that violent behavior is not observed in patients during the test trials, and indeed, does not reliably occur among those taking the drugs, makes it hard to establish causation.

...

While there is certainly a lot of things the drug industry (and medical profession) does wrong, putting out antidepressants which cause homicidal shooting sprees is not one of them.

So, if everyone does not suffer a side-effect, it may or may not really be a side-effect? Cigarette smoking does kill everyone who smokes, so it's not harmful? ... We should just trust that the drug makers and doctors (who are "lobbied" heavily by the drug makers) to never put profits ahead of safety?

I said it earlier in this discussion: If a study does not report what was intended... it will be trashcan'ed. If a researcher dare break that code, they will be sued out of existence.

chuck

 

[docsleepy]

Nah, probably the effects are only on a tiny portion of the population. So you may or may not see anything THIS week. But then, of course, there are enough incredibly brutal murders to go around, and it would really be interesting to know what the killers did on the day they decided to go kill someone, wouldn't it?


As for influencing thought:
Religious teachers are also able to do this (both for good and evil)
The death toll in Kenya is now up to about 40 and I think past 200 injured.....
Pretty obvious impact of either a book or a religious leader, wouldn't you say?

 

[Robert]

Y'all do remember this is a firearms forum right? This self same topic has been based and rehashed time and time again with the exact same ending.