Washington D.C. Mayor Vince Gray Protests a Billboard Advertising Gun-Safety Classes

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Is Emily Miller the lady who persevered through the long and intentionally difficult red tape "obstacle course" to own a handgun in DC, following the Supreme Court decision?
 
Yes Emily Miller is the reporter who did a seris of articals on what was requirered to legaly purchase a gun in D.C.
 
"Mayor Vince Gray Protests"

I read the Post everyday. He's probably tired of hordes of recent D.C. public school graduates asking him what the billboard says.
 
Wow... What a clear case of a Mayor who doesn't care about his Citizens improving their safety. DC citizens if you have any sense vote DC Mayor Vince Gray out of office (Fire him!) for your sake.
 
They're liberals. Did you expect them to respect Freedom of Speech?

I've been warning people for decades, the Bill of Rights is a set. Break one amendment, and they're all damaged.
 
This is the same anti-gun DC Mayor Vincent Gray who's at the center of a corruption probe by the US Attorney's Office. I can understand why he doesn't want lawful citizens to be owning and carrying firearms.

Even the current chairman of the city council said that he has no problem with a poster that promotes gun safety.
 
Let's see, a free gun safety course that could possibly prevent an accident with dire consequences. Nah, that is a bad thing in the District of Columbia.

What a moron. And I say that with all due respect...............moron.
 
"They're liberals. Did you expect them to respect Freedom of Speech?"

Please don't smear liberals. I'm a gun owning liberal, I respect your rights, please respect mine.
This place is called The High Road for a reason.
 
He may be a bozo for many reasons but not all bozos are liberals, not all liberals are bozos.
Being a liberal does not automatically make one a bozo nor does it also make one not respect other people's rights.
 
He may be a bozo for many reasons but not all bozos are liberals, not all liberals are bozos.
Being a liberal does not automatically make one a bozo nor does it also make one not respect other people's rights.
Given the current attacks on civil rights, from freedom of speech to freedom of religion, I find it hard to say that attitude doesn't have a home on the left side of the aisle.

After all, modern liberalism is firmly rooted in statism and a denial of the right to own property.
 
To be fair, in D.C.'s case, it's not merely an issue of liberalism, it's an issue of corruption as well. The D.C. government is notoriously corrupt, and even the most outrageously criminal behavior isn't enough to put an end to one's political career there (just look at Marion Barry). However, having said that, the corruption is at least partly due to the city government being so utterly dominated by liberal Democrats. Not that corruption is exclusive to Democrats or liberals by any means, but when one side, either side, comes to have pretty much a lock on the government, and the other is frozen almost completely out, corruption is almost sure to become more of a problem.
 
It seems those DC govenment officials fit into two classes.
1: Those who have been caught.
2: Those you haven't been caught.. yet.

As long as the Mayor and the DC Council have their security details to follow them around, they all feel that DC is a VERY safe place to live and work.
And keep spouting off to the media that "Crime is down"....... even if the rates are going up.
 
He is an ultra liberal, a rabid anti gunner, and a demon crap---three strikes on him before he even comes to bat. Would be ashamed to be either of those as it may make someone think they are in the same "boat".
 
Vincent Gray is currently butt deep in scandal and corruption problems. Wag the dog anyone?

Now just in my opinion the people of Washington DC get what they deserve. They aren't exactly the brightest bulbs out there.

Marion Barry as Mayor of Washington DC was convicted for cocain possession and use. He served time. However, the great people of Washington DC did what? They reelected him of course.

Yep, wag the dog.

Ron
 
OK,
I'm a liberal and I'm really glad I can read what I believe in here, otherwise I wouldn't know.
I'm awfully happy that liberals are such shallow one sided pukes that we can all be characterized by such simple smears.
Yes, some liberals are as you described but not all. I don't automatically decide that all conservatives are right wing ideologues. I give you the respect of having the conviction of your opinions and presume you have reasons for being that way, how about doing the same for me?
Like suggesting that "many people with liberal views" are the way you describe or, better yet, even "some liberals I know" are like that. What I object to is deciding that you know what all liberals think and believe.
I am a liberal and you haven't the slightest idea what I think or believe about most things including guns and people's civil rights.
Sorry....I must be on the wrong forum, people on The High Road usually have more respect for others.
BTW I'm also a public school graduate and my wife teaches in public schools. I guess that just compounds our ignorance and makes us unworthy of having an opinion.
 
Given the current attacks on civil rights, from freedom of speech to freedom of religion, I find it hard to say that attitude doesn't have a home on the left side of the aisle.

After all, modern liberalism is firmly rooted in statism and a denial of the right to own property.

:barf:

Vern, that post and your others are nothing more than sand kicking of durogatory comments and serve nothing less than making Conservatives look like jackholes.

Every "Liberal" I know (only about 10) believe in gun rights and the 2A

Do youself a favor and do some reading. The conservatives need the Liberals on our side.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States
Modern American liberals value institutions that defend against extreme economic inequality. They believe in democracy, civil liberties and the rule of law


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism_in_the_United_States

Liberalism in the United States is a broad political philosophy centered on the unalienable rights of the individual. The fundamental liberal ideals of freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion for all belief systems, and the separation of church and state, right to due process and equality under the law are widely accepted as a common foundation across the spectrum of liberal thought



I consider myself a conservative liberal / liberal conservative.

Personally I think you should be apologizing. What you posted was not THR at all.
 
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Before we leave politics out entirely, I think it would be helpful to define what exactly we mean by conservative and liberal. There seems to be some confusion about the term. The confusion appears to arise out of the difference between the classical meaning of the word liberal, and the meaning it has taken on in modern times. Here's something I wrote about the matter on another forum (it's a bit lengthy, but it's necessary to go into some detail about how the meaning of the word has shifted):
In selling his book “The Road to Serfdom” in the United States, economist F.A. Hayek encountered a curious state of affairs, to which he felt it necessary to refer specifically in his preface to the 1956 American edition of that book. He had written his book specifically for an English audience, and in England, the words “liberal” and “liberalism” were still used in their original meaning (which had been current in this country as well during the 19th and early 20th centuries): denoting a philosophy committed to the ideals of limited government and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets. Hayek noted that in a curious turn of affairs, the words “liberal” and “liberalism” had come to denote very nearly the exact opposite of some of these things in the United States. Modern American liberals do not, generally speaking, oppose freedom of religion, speech, press, and assembly, however they most certainly do not stand for limited government, nor do they seem ever to argue for freer markets, but rather for more government regulation and economic controls, and show a reflexive distrust of business (especially large corporations) that is in no way mirrored by similar suspicion of government and government bureaucracies. And while modern American liberals would, no doubt, reject the notion that they stand against liberty of individuals, the degree of government regulation and economic control they espouse inevitably entails a de facto loss of some degree of individual freedom. There is simply no way to impose more regulations and controls and at the same time increase the freedom of individuals subject to such regulations and controls.

As Hayek noted, the way the terms “liberal” and “liberalism” came to be so inverted in the United States owes much to the attempt by leftists to camouflage their program of bigger government and more regulation. Very few Americans would have voluntarily supported any program that looked likely to restrict their individual freedoms – which is precisely what bigger government and more regulation inevitably does – so this program was presented as something which appeals to the classical liberal ideals of justice, freedom, and equality. It should be noted that this camouflage was not always undertaken cynically by devious politicians or would be social engineers who were trying to sneak something past American voters; many leftists manage to believe sincerely that the programs they advocate are in the interests of these ideals. (Think of the way theists manage sincerely and wholeheartedly to believe mutually contradictory ideas such as the existence of an omniscient, omnipotent, supreme being, and free will.) Yet the fact remains that increased government control can only come at the expense of individual liberty.

Classical liberals in the United States, who believe strongly in the classical liberal ideals have, unfortunately, not only allowed this change of meaning in these words to take place, but have actually facilitated the process by beginning to use the terms “liberal” and “liberalism” to describe the policies and programs favored by the left, and to use these words with a new sense of opprobrium. The consequence has been for many true liberals – liberals in the original, classical sense of the word – to identify themselves as conservatives, and to make common cause politically with actual conservatives. The classical liberal is left with hardly any other way of actively working for his ideals. But as Hayek noted, true liberalism is distinct from conservatism. Conservatism (a certain degree of which is necessary in any stable society) is not a social program. Conservatism tends to be paternalistic, nationalistic, and supportive of power, both economic and military. (Ironically, this actually puts conservatism closer in some respects to socialism, with its advocacy of a strong, centralized government, than to real, classical liberalism.) Conservatism is traditionalistic, a defender of established privilege, and has anti-intellectual and religious propensities which, generally speaking, mean it seldom has great appeal to the young, or to others who strongly believe that some changes are desirable and necessary if the world is ever to be made into a better place.

But in America today, since “progressives” of the political left, who do advocate greater government control and more regulation have co-opted the terms “liberal” and “liberalism,” and since there are only two viable political parties in the United States, those who are liberals in the classical sense are left with no place to turn to defend and to advance their own ideals but to conservatives who also oppose the left. It’s not always a comfortable fit, however. It is true that because American government and society, from the time the United States became independent, were based on the classically liberal, Enlightenment ideals of freedom and individual liberty, these classical liberal ideas have become the foundational ideals of the Establishment in America, which does make it natural for conservatives to defend them. But there are, and always were elements in American society that were not classically liberal, and conservatives defend those just as vigorously (if not more so, in some cases). Religion is a good example of this. Religion is anti-intellectual, a defender of privilege, and reliant on dogma and unquestioning obedience to authority – in almost every way opposed to classical Enlightenment Liberal thinking. It is no accident that many of the classically liberal Founding Fathers were Deists who had little reverence for traditional religious institutions or established churches. But most Americans are not Enlightenment-style moral philosophers, and religion, especially Protestant Christianity, has always been strong in America, and so it is that conservatives today in the United States, who strongly defend nearly all old, traditional, deeply established elements of American society, tend to be religious. But there is a a distinction between classical liberals, and modern, American conservatives that usually goes unrecognized. Libertarians are nearer to classical liberals, but I am not a pure libertarian either.

Now whatever one may consider oneself to be, whether classical liberal, modern liberal/progressive, or modern conservative, I think it has to be admitted, that strong advocacy of gun control is definitely more common on the political left, among those who today consider themselves liberal and call themselves "progressives." There are, of course, many modern liberals who are strong supporters of gun ownership and the second amendment, but it is, one has to admit, more common to find supporters of gun control among left-leaning Democrats than among conservative republicans or among libertarians.
 
Listening to the radio the other day when a public announcement discussed how drowning is the #1 cause of death for children. Among the suggestions to mediate this was to teach children to swim.

I'd love to hear the mayor speak on justifying one form of education and condemning the other.
 
"BTW I'm also a public school graduate and my wife teaches in public schools. I guess that just compounds our ignorance and makes us unworthy of having an opinion."

Are you a graduate of D.C. public schools? Does she teach in D.C. public schools?

Lots of people - me - are public school grads, but that's beside the point we're talking about. Heck, I did K-7 in downtown Baltimore, but the schools were good in the '50s. Then we moved to upscale Montgomery County MD. I thought Baltimore had better schools back then. Really.

The entire D.C. school system is tainted by a multi-year standardized testing scandal that the system will not investigate or even discuss seriously. Erasure-gate:

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/class-...asure-scandal/2012/06/22/gJQAEzT2vV_blog.html

John

P.S. - And crack smoking Marion Barry is still on the D.C. Council.

"Barry infuriated Asians with two separate statements. After winning reelection, he pledged to “do something about these Asians coming in, opening businesses, those dirty shops. They ought to go.”

A few weeks later, he offended Filipinos when he pointed out that an increasing number of nurses have come here from the Philippines. “And no offense, but let’s grow our own teachers, let’s grow our own nurses,” he said, “so that we don’t have to be scrounging around in our community clinics and other kind of places, having to hire people from somewhere else.”"
 
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