Washington State Gun Control: All Semiautomatic Rifles Are 'Assault Rifles'
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Another problem is the attitude of "I have mine already" OR "I won't ever need one of those."
I am so sorry for you in Washington.
I'll be following the postmortem and how it will be implemented, because you know it's only a matter of time before it comes to other states as well. I think we can have popular referendums in GA but not ones that are binding thank goodness.
You can't educate them. Their attention span is about 140 characters. If you can't explain it within that or a simple picture they lose interest.
Sadly this measure should have been stopped by the Courts in Washington as it wasn't a legal initiative by Washington law. However the Courts shot down those appeals and rubber stamped the measure.
At a guess the day this goes into effect they will have created around 1,000,000 new felons in Washington state.
2bfree
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This was not done by the legislature. it was done through an initiative. At least my lever guns are not classified as semi-auto, yet.
gwpercle
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If you honestly believe doing away with the Second Amendment and disarming the honest citizens is a good idea , then you are a fool....the first step in enslaving and controlling a nation is to...Disarm the People.
Slaves can't be allowed to own guns....they will fight for their freedom.
Gary
Slaves can't be allowed to own guns....they will fight for their freedom.
Gary
cjwils
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Imagine away, but the election made the WA state legislature more liberal and anti gun than it was last month. (But I do hope you are correct.)
Sorry, CJ, but I was imagining that that the WA legislature will make it worse. Addressing issues like conversion, manufacture, Pistols, grandfathering, etc. I wish it weren't so.
CoalTrain49
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From the WA constitution.
So somebody tell me how a citizen who is 20 years old who can't purchase a rifle isn't impaired by this law. And how is a citizen not impaired if he can't bear his arms (he has to lock them up) in his own domicile. WA is a shall issue and open carry state. This new law runs contradictory to that. So now I can't carry in my own home or on my own property. Pure nonsense.
I think the state supreme court will have to weigh in on this one and the SAF will be glad to represent the gun owners in this lawsuit. If appealed it goes to the federal court. Guess who's in charge of appointing 112 federal judges now and guess who is going to approve them. DJT and a GOP senate, that's who.
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So somebody tell me how a citizen who is 20 years old who can't purchase a rifle isn't impaired by this law. And how is a citizen not impaired if he can't bear his arms (he has to lock them up) in his own domicile. WA is a shall issue and open carry state. This new law runs contradictory to that. So now I can't carry in my own home or on my own property. Pure nonsense.
I think the state supreme court will have to weigh in on this one and the SAF will be glad to represent the gun owners in this lawsuit. If appealed it goes to the federal court. Guess who's in charge of appointing 112 federal judges now and guess who is going to approve them. DJT and a GOP senate, that's who.
Get a bad shake in this election? The SAF will help you out. Support the SAF.
https://www.saf.org/2ajudges/
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CoalTrain49
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This still has to pass another constitutional challenge in the courts. The original suit was whether or not the initiative passed a legal threshold to be on the ballot. The courts ruled that it did. The next test is if the initiative is constitutional. We have a state constitution so it will have to get past that hurdle. If appealed it could go to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. This isn't over by a long shot. We'll get a ruling by the SSC by the July 1 effective date.
a few years ago an initiative banned red light cameras. The legislature overruled that vote, and refused to implement it. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...n-red-light-cameras-state-supreme-court-says/
Ignition Override
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And so many people--despite concerns about gradual future state bans--prefer buying guns retail instead of private deals facilitated by Armslist etc.
No matter how long the personal data from a retail sale is 'supposed' to remain on government computers, who really knows? Do you trust all information you read from, or about "the Deep State"?
The main advantage of Armslist is that we find far more military surplus varieties (most are in just One shop) or even somewhat modern types which seldom appear in city gun shops, i.e. actual German-proofed Sig P6 or the very similar P 225, P228, WW2 Mauser Hsc, .380 or 9x18 commercial Russian Makarovs, Swiss K-31 etc.
No matter how long the personal data from a retail sale is 'supposed' to remain on government computers, who really knows? Do you trust all information you read from, or about "the Deep State"?
The main advantage of Armslist is that we find far more military surplus varieties (most are in just One shop) or even somewhat modern types which seldom appear in city gun shops, i.e. actual German-proofed Sig P6 or the very similar P 225, P228, WW2 Mauser Hsc, .380 or 9x18 commercial Russian Makarovs, Swiss K-31 etc.
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Old Dog
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As you pointed out earlier, there is no way that on the face of it, this initiative is constitutional (state constitution). However, we have such a left-leaning, liberal state supreme court that this is gonna have to go way higher ...
Pity of it all is that clearly, the voters couldn't be concerned to read through the entire 30 pages of unconstitutional horsepoop (besides the state's own constitution, there's clearly 4th, possibly 5th Amendment issues at play as well, not to mention potential HIPAA concerns). The only light at the end of the tunnel is that by the time this gets to higher courts, the administration will have had time to appoint some new justices ...
Trey Veston
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This measure passed because; 1) Proponents raised over $3 million and opponents raised $250k. 2) Every time I heard and continue to hear it mentioned in the local media, it is called an "initiative that increases background checks for assault rifles". 3) The majority of citizens WANT increased gun control.
We are not living in a country governed by common sense and traditional American values anymore. Plain and simple. Liberty and freedom have been superseded by comfort and false security.
We are not living in a country governed by common sense and traditional American values anymore. Plain and simple. Liberty and freedom have been superseded by comfort and false security.
RETG
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If may be 4:AM but this old guy agrees. People just do not research of actually read what they are voting on, they depend on political commercials; thus who has the money has a better chance to win.
2bfree
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If you read what you posted, it was the state Supreme Court that overruled it plus it was a city initiative, not a state one.
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Washington passed I594 in 2014 that made background checks mandatory for ALL gun sales.
Including between relatives, tho that was later amended so I can give my kids guns without the .gov knowing.
This will go to the courts and the liberal 9th will rule it's legal.
Hopefully it will go to the SC and we can get a better outcome.
As for as violating the state constitution the Democrats do not care.
They just want all guns outlawed.
One of the biggest things is removing preemption.
Now Seattle can make their own laws and you can become a felon just driving down I5.
Trey Veston
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Ruth Bader Ginsburg fell and broke three ribs this morning. She is reportedly in not very good condition.
If the country can survive the civil war that the left will start over Trump's nomination for her replacement, then the SC will be solely responsible for returning sanity and constitutional law to the country.
I dare say we are on the precipice of losing this republic to the non-stop march of the evil of leftism.
If the country can survive the civil war that the left will start over Trump's nomination for her replacement, then the SC will be solely responsible for returning sanity and constitutional law to the country.
I dare say we are on the precipice of losing this republic to the non-stop march of the evil of leftism.
Both Chambers of the GA Assembly have to propose them by vote to the people. No popular initiative in GA. Every sneaky gun bill is being passed by initiative except in true blue states like NY.
Pudge
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I'm having trouble trying to quote. GEM asked how we educate. Constitutional rights are by definition civil rights. This is a civil rights issue, ask: why do you want the government to restrict and violate our civil rights? Will there be a measurable benefit from allowing the government to violate our civil rights?
Allow supporters of such initiatives to define their intended impact on society, and ask them if they believe that it is reasonable to expect that restricting the civil rights of law abiding citizens will achieve that goal.
Allow supporters of such initiatives to define their intended impact on society, and ask them if they believe that it is reasonable to expect that restricting the civil rights of law abiding citizens will achieve that goal.
Peter Gun
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This certainly illustrates the problem with voter ballot initiatives.
It’s much too easy to confuse the voters and hide what the initiatives actually do.
My state of VT has a problem with rampant leftist government, I can only imagine how bad it would be if our version of Seattle (Burlington) could just make up whatever law they wanted and vote in in with their superior population numbers.
It’s much too easy to confuse the voters and hide what the initiatives actually do.
My state of VT has a problem with rampant leftist government, I can only imagine how bad it would be if our version of Seattle (Burlington) could just make up whatever law they wanted and vote in in with their superior population numbers.
BSA1
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Actually this is a excellent example of how the Liberals are changing opinions and winning the battel to turn the country Socialist.
Since public schools do not teach Civics and History is revisionist children are growing up without a understanding of the principles our Country is founded on.
Pro-gun supporters only raised $250,000? Sounds like they are getting the Government they deserve.
It is going to be interesting how they implement this law. I suspect there is a lot of reading of how Hitler did it.
Since public schools do not teach Civics and History is revisionist children are growing up without a understanding of the principles our Country is founded on.
Pro-gun supporters only raised $250,000? Sounds like they are getting the Government they deserve.
It is going to be interesting how they implement this law. I suspect there is a lot of reading of how Hitler did it.
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