"They" are the voters of WA who voted this into law should it pass.
Washington State I-594 is Firearm Registration
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OilyPablo
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Yes, well let's still work on defeating it. Most people here still have not even heard of it.
You're exactly right. people do not know what they are voting for. If this does not become law, then great. If it does become law, then there will be backlash after the fact which will work in our favor.
I don't think that there should be a law about misleading political TV and print ads. I think that there should be a law that voters are only allowed to vote on a new law IF they actually read the law instead of getting all of their info from TV ads.
Bobson
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I live in Snohomish County, WA. I haven't seen or heard any ads for either 594 or 591, ever. Everything I know about them, I've read here. I don't know how regularly they're aired, or what, but I think the only chance we have to combat 594 (and maybe this is already super obvious to everyone) is by using social media to get the word out.
Is everyone posting the "real" info about 594 on at least a semi-regular basis on Facebook?
Yeah, most of us probably have friends who already have many of the same views as us anyway, but if those friends keep sharing/liking informative posts, eventually there will be fence-sitters who see it. That's the most sure way to get the real info widespread for free, IMO. So be blasting FB and whatever else with the truth about 594, and encourage everyone to vote No. Meanwhile, praise 591 and encourage everyone to vote yes. Post them weekly, at least. Keep them factual and concise, but clear and convincing.
As we get closer and closer, we should be posting these things with increasing regularity. For the final two weeks before the vote, I'll be posting every single day.
Is everyone posting the "real" info about 594 on at least a semi-regular basis on Facebook?
Yeah, most of us probably have friends who already have many of the same views as us anyway, but if those friends keep sharing/liking informative posts, eventually there will be fence-sitters who see it. That's the most sure way to get the real info widespread for free, IMO. So be blasting FB and whatever else with the truth about 594, and encourage everyone to vote No. Meanwhile, praise 591 and encourage everyone to vote yes. Post them weekly, at least. Keep them factual and concise, but clear and convincing.
As we get closer and closer, we should be posting these things with increasing regularity. For the final two weeks before the vote, I'll be posting every single day.
OilyPablo
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Bobson - good plan.
For awhile King 5 was blasting the pro background check ad.
Meanwhile - donate!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZOvOgmaMgA&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZOvOgmaMgA&feature=youtu.be
For awhile King 5 was blasting the pro background check ad.
Meanwhile - donate!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZOvOgmaMgA&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZOvOgmaMgA&feature=youtu.be
Bobson
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Recently, I read that if both 591 and 594 were to pass, they would somehow "cancel" each other out. I'm not sure if that was the exact wording used, but that was the gist of the comment.
Can anyone elaborate on this? It doesn't make much sense to me, as 591 seems to only be about emphasizing that Constitutionally-defined "illegal searches" are ...still illegal.
Should I be telling people to vote No on 594 AND vote Yes on 591? Given the option, I'd prefer that both initiatives fail, rather than see both initiatives pass. Obviously an ideal outcome is that 591 passes while 594 fails, but that seems ridiculously optimistic at this point. I'm concerned that if I'm vocal about both initiatives, people who only half-listened may be confused come November, and on the chance that I would have influenced any votes, they unintentionally vote No on 591 and Yes on 594... what a nightmare.
Probably best to just stick with, "Vote no on 594" (plus reasons) at this point, right?
Can anyone elaborate on this? It doesn't make much sense to me, as 591 seems to only be about emphasizing that Constitutionally-defined "illegal searches" are ...still illegal.
Should I be telling people to vote No on 594 AND vote Yes on 591? Given the option, I'd prefer that both initiatives fail, rather than see both initiatives pass. Obviously an ideal outcome is that 591 passes while 594 fails, but that seems ridiculously optimistic at this point. I'm concerned that if I'm vocal about both initiatives, people who only half-listened may be confused come November, and on the chance that I would have influenced any votes, they unintentionally vote No on 591 and Yes on 594... what a nightmare.
Probably best to just stick with, "Vote no on 594" (plus reasons) at this point, right?
OilyPablo
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I am. But yes follow up with, "Vote NO on 594 no matter what".
I now wish Gottlieb wasn't doing the 591 thing. ALL money seems to go to that, not fighting 594.
silvermane_1
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i despise both I-591 and I-594, but I-591 is the "lesser evil" of the two. 
Red Wind
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The Truth. If this passes, all of Washington State ,becomes in a precarious position.
OilyPablo
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We could use a little help here!
Red Wind
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We will do our very best.
EMNofSeattle
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If you don't live in WA, call the NRA and say you're ashamed that they're not vigorously fighting 594, they've spent only 25k so far and they claim they won't go above 125 thousand to fight a yes campaign that has 5 million on hand. I have called and said I'll cancel my membership if they don't find it and 594 wins.
However if gun owners across the country threaten the to do the same over this maybe they'll pump in some ads. They produced a really good ad, but I haven't seen it on TV, only the Internet.
However if gun owners across the country threaten the to do the same over this maybe they'll pump in some ads. They produced a really good ad, but I haven't seen it on TV, only the Internet.
Bobson
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That's a great idea, EMN. Wish someone had thought of that six months ago, but maybe it's not too late.
bikemutt
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The central tenent of 594 is that under present state law violent felons and the mentally ill can buy a gun "no questions asked". It doesn't matter if anyone actually sells guns with no questions asked, or if felons and crazy people seek to exploit the "loophole", if it can happen, it might.
If someone like the NRA came along with more money to fight 594 than bloomberg and company have to push it, what sort of message, or messages do you imagine it would take to win?
I think we need ideas more than we need money, time is short, get creative please.
If someone like the NRA came along with more money to fight 594 than bloomberg and company have to push it, what sort of message, or messages do you imagine it would take to win?
I think we need ideas more than we need money, time is short, get creative please.
Bobson
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Well I hate to say it, but... that's correct - at least in theory. Isn't that true in every single state in America, as no state has a "universal background check" law (IE, a law prohibiting the private sale of firearms without a background check)?
Doesn't bother me at all.
I'm not in favor of the background check thing, but I can totally understand why many people are. My concern is all the extra garbage being shoveled into the bill without it being out in the open.
bikemutt
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And that's the problem with fighting 594; it does some "good" in the form of UBC (I'm not saying I think that's good), and it does some bad. Well, most acts, initiatives and laws are like that, some good, some bad. The proponents of 594 are certainly not going to trot out the bad part and their accomplices in the media sure aren't.
The opponents of 594 would be committing political suicide going after the UBC end of this dragon; "so you think it's OK for violent felons to buy guns no questions asked?". I think the only strategy that has a chance of turning this megasaurus around is to identify the top 3 bad elements and go after them in earnest.
I believe most voters in the middle will not support a change which they believe does more harm than good, but they have to be convinced in the first place.
Personally, I think the #1 worst element of this proposed law is the undue burden it seeks to put on law abiding citizens who may find themselves in need of a timely self-defense. I'd like to rename 594 the "Violent Domestic Partner Empowerment Act".
Here in Washington State, Seattle and King County voters pretty much run the entire state. Plus, we've got ex-New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, Paul Allen, the owner of the Seattle Seahawks, Bill Gates of Microsoft and numerous other fat cats are pouring in money to push I-594. Most everyday, the anti-gun Seattle Times runs another totally biased editorial. So far, the NRA seems to have pretty much written us off, so no money there, at least not yet. Thus, we are being out spent about ten to one.
I'm trying to stay optimistic, but we need a lot more money. If we lose this fight, Bloomberg and his ilk will have won another battle, and gun owners in other parts of the country will be next.
I'm trying to stay optimistic, but we need a lot more money. If we lose this fight, Bloomberg and his ilk will have won another battle, and gun owners in other parts of the country will be next.
silicosys4
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I have the unfortunate feeling that come November, I'll be finding another state to live in. This is a huge step and not one I'll stick around for. If they get away with this one, give it 10 years and Washington will be another NY or California, and I'm about 80% sure it will pass by the numbers.
Dammit...we JUST got SBR's too.
As others have mentioned, this is being steamrolled pretty hard by the I-5 corridor. I've seen a few of the ads on tv, but I have the feeling they are keeping those ads in the corridor where they will be seen by the most anti's....as soon as you get out of the corridor its almost all pro2a. They really aren't trying to convince anybody, they are just reminding the corridor to get out and vote, and to remember what to vote for...they know they already have the votes.
My only hope is that there is a sleeping giant in the rural areas that might be woken, something to end this democratic kingdom that is washington state politics. Pretty much a long shot though.
Dammit...we JUST got SBR's too.
As others have mentioned, this is being steamrolled pretty hard by the I-5 corridor. I've seen a few of the ads on tv, but I have the feeling they are keeping those ads in the corridor where they will be seen by the most anti's....as soon as you get out of the corridor its almost all pro2a. They really aren't trying to convince anybody, they are just reminding the corridor to get out and vote, and to remember what to vote for...they know they already have the votes.
My only hope is that there is a sleeping giant in the rural areas that might be woken, something to end this democratic kingdom that is washington state politics. Pretty much a long shot though.
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OilyPablo
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So many people just don't vote. Arrgh.....
bikemutt
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Saw the first(to me) lying ad from 594 today, criminals who fail a BG check buying guns off gunbroker.com (online to use the parlance).
Don't know about anyone else but I sure had to pass a BG check on EVERY gunbroker.com purchase I've ever completed.
This is good, lying is a sign of weakness. Keep lying.
Don't know about anyone else but I sure had to pass a BG check on EVERY gunbroker.com purchase I've ever completed.
This is good, lying is a sign of weakness. Keep lying.
Bobson
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Ditto. I'll stick around until I finish school, but this is a law I'm not willing to live with.
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They've spent $25,000 to help you and you're whining that you're going to cancel your membership? I'm sorry but the NRA is not a big brother that will solve all your problems. Members of each state need to be taking the bull by the horns.
The NRA does a lot on the national level as well as state but they can't be involved in every issue. The fact that you got some help from them already is something to be thankful for.
Good luck to all of you.
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