We must be smart in the upcoming battle

[igousigloo]

I have some problems with all the news stories. First I heard that somehow he got into the building and shot all these people. not sure how he got in but that there were xx dead he used a Glock and a Sig Sauer and there was a 223 rifle in the back of his car. Then I heard a report that he had got in to the building by shooting out the glass door. Then I read a report that a first responder saying, " I shot out that door to get in." Next is a medical examiners report that everyone was shot multiple times with a rifle. I smell a fish!

 

[michaelbsc]

I think Art has the right approach since almost all of these events are carried out by young, white, upper middle class deranged kids. I read an interesting study published by Harvard showing no correlation between gun ownership and suicide/murder rates in various nations. Culture and mental health issue couple with social issues do.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

Whether we like it or not, the events of this week have put it in our laps that we are the ones to fix the identification of mentally ill patients. I do not care that it isn't "our job" by right. It's our job now. Period.

I posted in another thread that La Pierre had better be at the desk of ever Secretary and Under Secretary in Washington who has anything to do with mental healthcare asking what resources they need, and explain that American gun owners can twist the arms of Congress off if necessary to get it.

Those organizations are political just like the Pentagon. And we need ego become thief champions, not their scapegoats like we've been the past years. They respond to dollars.

And we need to find them. I think the White House petitions are kind of silly, but they a great propaganda tool for O, so lets use the for ourselves. I created one that advocates an excise tax per gun sale to fund national mental health.

http://wh.gov/nTna. You cannot search for this one yet because it has too few signatures.

Regardless, we, the gun owners, need to be the ones advocating how the devil we keep dangerous guns out of the hands of unstable people. And we need to be seen as the champions of that, not the obstructionists to it. And we need to come of full force, right now!

MB

 

[barnbwt]

I think the White House petitions are kind of silly, but they a great propaganda tool for O, so lets use the for ourselves.

Has Obama actually answered/addressed any of the petitions that met the arbitrary threshold? I personally think they're just a way for him to get between consituents and their representatives during campaigns and negotiations.

Although, if I weren't so certain I'd be logged in a zillion campaign databases, I'd start a petition calling for an outright repeal of the 2nd Amendment--just to see how high anti-constitutional sentiment has risen in this country. Who knows, it could even get enough signatures to "force" rolleyes the President to comment on it without denigrating the Constitution (i.e. force him to justify on record why he feels the 2nd Amendment should remain)

TCB

 

[michaelbsc]

Has Obama actually answered/addressed any of the petitions that met the arbitrary threshold? I personally think they're just a way for him to get between consituents and their representatives during campaigns and negotiations.

Although, if I weren't so certain I'd be logged in a zillion campaign databases, I'd start a petition calling for an outright repeal of the 2nd Amendment--just to see how high anti-constitutional sentiment has risen in this country. Who knows, it could even get enough signatures to "force" rolleyes the President to comment on it without denigrating the Constitution (i.e. force him to justify on record why he feels the 2nd Amendment should remain)

TCB

Well, you can create a dummied up gmail or yahoo address relatively easy. Just make a petition asking him to suspend the 2nd amendment. I use an ancient netscape address. Believe it or not those still work!

The thing that's a little bit frustrating is that the petition isn't searchable, even within their own internal search engine, until it gets 150 signatures. So all you can do is pass out that stupid contracted address that looks like a virus trap.

The petition currently has 4 signatures.

I've sent it to a bunch of Facebook friends. If it was a sympathy card about feeling good they would gush all over it. But asking for specific action that means taking a stance, even though most of them own 0-2 guns but will never buy another box of ammo the rest of their lives, gets a yawn.

I tend to stay out of the gun section on Facebook because there's too much potential employer monitoring. The gun sites are safe to talk.

Here it is again.

http://wh.gov/nTna


WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
$2 Federal Excise on Handguns and Long Guns earmarked for Mental Health Services


Recent shootings have focused national attention on gun violence. The dramatic events in Newton, CT involved a young male. The Aurora, CO event involved a young male. The Tucson, AZ event involved a young male. Others were the same. And a connecting thread is that these young men were mentally ill, which is not a condition they voluntarily chose. These are failures of the nation's mental health system, not failures of gun control.

We should establish a $2 per handgun or long gun point of retail excise tax earmarked for mental health services to improve the state of the nation's capacity to identify and treat patients in need. These funds should not be part of the general fund, and this excise tax funds the benefit just like hunting licenses fund wildlife management.

Created: Dec 18, 2012
Issues: Firearms, Health Care

 

[kwguy]

We definitely do not have the media power that the anti's do. They can frame this any way they want, and put it on TV and the internet news outlets. We don't really have any ability to put this on TV, or any of the big internet news outlets, so even though logic, facts, and numbers are with us, that alone is not always enough. We need to use the resources that are available to us very effectively to counter this disadvantage. I'm new to this forum, but the level headedness and knowledge that is evident here is far beyond the emotional fanaticism that is always pushed by the anti groups. When logic and facts are not with you, what else is left but volume and emotion?

 

[Alaska444]

Whether we like it or not, the events of this week have put it in our laps that we are the ones to fix the identification of mentally ill patients. I do not care that it isn't "our job" by right. It's our job now. Period.

I posted in another thread that La Pierre had better be at the desk of ever Secretary and Under Secretary in Washington who has anything to do with mental healthcare asking what resources they need, and explain that American gun owners can twist the arms of Congress off if necessary to get it.

Those organizations are political just like the Pentagon. And we need ego become thief champions, not their scapegoats like we've been the past years. They respond to dollars.

And we need to find them. I think the White House petitions are kind of silly, but they a great propaganda tool for O, so lets use the for ourselves. I created one that advocates an excise tax per gun sale to fund national mental health.

http://wh.gov/nTna. You cannot search for this one yet because it has too few signatures.

Regardless, we, the gun owners, need to be the ones advocating how the devil we keep dangerous guns out of the hands of unstable people. And we need to be seen as the champions of that, not the obstructionists to it. And we need to come of full force, right now!

MB

+1, I agree completely that the responsible gun owners of America need to lead the charge to prevent further tragedies.

I heard a report yesterday that the police believe the motive for the killings was that the kid found out his mother was going to have him committed. What a tragic circumstance compounded the addition loss of innocent lives.

Securing weapons is part of our responsible gun ownership. We will all have to step up to the plate.

 

[HOWARD J]

There is a lot of people IN THESE GUN FORUMS that for some reason hate the NRA
I think it is time to knock off the hate ( at least for a while)
JOIN THE NRA OR SEND MONEY
WE ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE & NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET

 

[michaelbsc]

There is a lot of people IN THESE GUN FORUMS that for some reason hate the NRA
I think it is time to knock off the hate ( at least for a while)
JOIN THE NRA OR SEND MONEY
WE ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE & NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET

I'm already a Life member. I can't do more besides rant.