Weekend idiocy at public range in Arkansas

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Wow. I shoot up at Hobbs quite a bit and never have had any trouble. The craziest thing I've seen there was a younger guy holding an AK in one hand and an AR in another, just blazing away. He wasnt hitting anything, but he did have the rifles pointed in the right direction and was grinning from ear to ear-I know I would be- so I said nothing. Got to talking and he was actually very safety concious, knowledgeable, and friendly.

Wise decision not to shoot that day.
 
Still ought to be illegal for people to be publicly discharging firearms while drinking alcohol.

Its illegal to kill people too and we can see how well that works out.

I would have called the police had this been in my state. Using firearms while intoxicated is a big no-no here.
 
My buddy is from AR. As I recall about 60% of Arkansas is dry, no booze allowed within the specific county, and all of Arkansas enforces Draconian liquor laws. No Sunday sales, no pitchers in bars or restaurants, maybe no kegs (not sure on this). Also, drinks in bars are taxed at 33% to discourage drinking. Booze in Arkansas is like guns in California. Shooting is ususally fine in AR, but if you like to drink live elsewhere.

I know that KY and I think TX also have dry counties.

I would have called the cops on the drunks. Public drinking, public endangerment, immigration status (perhaps), plus who knows how many other laws were being violated and it was directly affecting others. All you people who badgered me about the gang-banger straw-buying a handgun can wail all you want, there were crimes being committed here and public safety was being compromised in addition to infringing on the rights of others to use the facility.

I would have waited out the M16 guys. They usually go through their ammo pretty fast. I would bet that their gun wasn't legal.
 
My shooting and my golf game get better with one or two beers. Mixing Guns and Liquor has a LOT of risk, (And isn't something I do very often,) but saying that the two should never go together is just ignorant. Now I will freely admit that drinking and shooting isn't the most responsible thing to do, but I am not going to look down my nose at my redneck friends who like to take some PBR out to woods to bumpfire their EBRs.
 
Justin, since you are a moderator here, I'm surprised you can get away with such obvious prejudicial behaviour. Everyone know there isn't amything wrong with Miller Lite. Bet you drink some sissy foreign beer!! ;) :neener:
Are you kidding? Where I live, you can't swing a broken beer bottle without hitting a microbrewery.

:D

Sissy foreign beer is for sissy foreigners. ;)
 
No Brakes23, I'm ignorant if I think that drinking while shooting is a bad idea?

I really don't even know how to respond to such an asinine statement.
 
My buddy is from AR. As I recall about 60% of Arkansas is dry

thatguy, there are many counties in AR that are dry. I grew up in one of the wet counties, and we could get alcohol at drive up liquor stores as early as age 14. It's not difficult for individuals to purchase alcohol and drive to the next county. All the college kids knew what county line liquor stores to frequent on the weekend. Arkansans are very mobile, for work, school, or social events; a county line is not an effective barrier. Liquor sales were/are discouraged, but it hasn't stopped them, either.

I'd say dry counties work as well as prohibition did. Responsible people don't need laws to prevent them from being irresponsible. AR law is Draconian, no argument there. It was always rumored that there are no sorority houses at ASU because under state law a group (how many?) of women living together unchaperoned is considered a brothel. Don't know if that's fact, though.

In my experience, even honest, law-abiding Arkansans dislike interference by federal/state/local authorities (i.e. cops) A generalization, but that was/is my experience. Law enforcement probably gets a bad rap there, but I'd still hesistate to call them. hillbilly may feel differently.

Years ago on the 4th of July, a buddy and I were in the remote hills of AR shooting fireworks. After about 30 minutes, 3 trucks and 7 men converged on the 2 of us with spotlights (and probably guns, but I didn't see them) to explain the dangers of open fires near drought-stricken fields. They had been communicating by CB. They weren't nice about it, but didn't threaten us with harm. They let us know we'd littered the road and had us clean it up, told us to leave. No police were involved, and they weren't needed to teach me a lesson. I still don't go back in those hills.

jmm - thankfully he wasn't a terminally stupid kid, just close a few times
 
Yes, Arkansas has lots of dry counties.

No, it doesn't do anything about folks drinking.

In fact, Arkansas is one of the few places left where one can still make a good living as a bootlegger.

In fact, my family had all sorts of legal troubles with a bootlegger once back in the 1970s, which I won't get into.

Basically, bootleggers go buy the six-pack for $4 in a wet county, and then sell it for $10 to folks who don't want to go all the way to the liquor store 50 miles away.

In fact, the county that holds the Hobbs shooting range was dry very recently, but because of the development brought by the presence Wal-Mart's corporate HQ, the wet-dry issue was supposed to be coming up on a ballot sometime.

So it may still be dry, or may have recently gone wet....I'm not sure.

Grimjaw also wrote this:


"In my experience, even honest, law-abiding Arkansans dislike interference
by federal/state/local authorities (i.e. cops) A generalization, but that
was/is my experience. Law enforcement probably gets a bad rap there,
but I'd still hesistate to call them. hillbilly may feel differently."


I'd say that's very true in most cases, for a whole set of reasons.

First, there is the simple logistical problem of being far, far away from cops most of the time.

I, myself, live six miles outside of a town of 70 people.....yes, that's not a typo....I live six miles outside the "city limits" of a town of only 70 folks. Even with the recent paving spasm done by a county judge trying to produce goodwill for his re-election, I'm still a mile down dirt roads.

Even when our house was burglarized back in 2000 and we called 911, it took the responding officer 35 minutes to arrive because that's how long it takes to get to my house from the county sheriff's office.

At that range, had I called immediately, it would have been 30 minutes at the least before any cop even thought about coming to take a look at some folks drinking beer on a range. That range is a good 30 minutes via a very twisty two-lane road from any sort of "town" or "city" where cops would likely be dispatched from.

Realistically, no police at all were coming to that range unless there was somebody bleeding from a gun shot wound. The local police simply wouldn't waste their time with a call about folks drinking beer on a public shooting range.

Secondly, as grimjaw's experience shows, there is still a very strong "Handle it yourself" ethic in play in lots and lots of Arkansas.

Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, I'm not going to get into. I feel both ways, depending on the specifics of the situation.

But in Arkansas, (the only state left, I think, where the rural population is still bigger than the "urban" population) there is still very much a 19th century, self-reliant, "handle it yourself" mentality that's very, very entrenched.

So, I didn't call the police in this case because A) I didn't figure it'd do any good and B) I'm usually not predisposed to call the police unless somebody is bleeding, or a serious crime has been committed or is about to be committed...........Basically, if there's a guy with a gun in my driveway, I'm calling 911 as I rack the slide on the Rem 870.

To be honest, I felt like that by protecting my wife, my friends, and myself, I had "handled it myself" and anyone else too stupid to recognize the situation and take appropriate action would merely reap the results of their own actions and decisions.

I can personally think of all sorts of such situations that I and my family members and my friends have handled ourselves that would have resulted in a SWAT team being called out in a place like Los Angeles or NYC.

But that's Arkansas.

hillbilly
 
Svtruth.....I don't know about the Mexicans at the range, but after having fired guns on July 2, I did have plenty of beer afterwards, and took a drag off somebody's pipe just to complete the whole "ATF" experience for the holiday weekend.

hillbilly
 
What a dream

What a dream,

It has long been my dream to live in a world where you can buy Booze, Cigarettes, Fire arms, and ammo at a drive through window and use them all up on your drive home.
(The preceding statement is sarcasm) I hope you will all know that.
Wow drinking and shooting offhand pistol what a dangerous combination.
It is things like that that made me make my own range with my father and brother.
If you go back to that range remember that if it is a public range then public intoxication rules apply if it bothers you call the local sheriff and make a complaint most of the time they will send an officer to look into the incident. Most of the time when the law shows up the people who are drinking will leave or try to talk their way out of a ticket which usually gets them in more trouble.
You pay taxes for law enforcement so use them.

DarthBubba :evil:
 
Only wussies have to have both hands on a pistol. :D
Doesn't anyone even practice weak handed anymore?

How intoxicated were those Mexicans? What was their BAC? Weren't there any trees around so you could just string 'em up?
:eek:
 
No Brakes23, I'm ignorant if I think that drinking while shooting is a bad idea?
I said "should never go together". There is a LOT of room between "bad idea" and "should NEVER go together."

I also never said anything about beer in one hand pistol in the other or drinking WHILE shooting.

Also, for Darth Bubba; I am curious as to why offhand shooting is more dangerous while under the influence, than Weaver or Isocoles under the influence.

I am also unclear about why the ethnicity of the shooters was important.
 
Since you asked, No-Brakes23.............



The ethnicity of the group drinking at the range is a detail of the story.

And this is not the first time I've left a public range in Arkansas because of Hispanics drinking beer and shooting pistols.

In about 1994 or 1995, I left the "range" west of Fayetteville near Lake Weddington because a group of Hispanics arrived at the "range" and began shooting pistols and drinking beer at the same time.

I write "range" because the "range" at Lake Weddington was nothing more than a semi-circle bulldozed in the woods with the dirt mounded up for a berm about 50 yards down range.

Another poster has pointed out some knowledge of Mexican silhouette shooters drinking beer and shooting.

I have personally pointed out two examples of white folks from rural Arkansas and Oklahoma drinking beer while shooting.

I think there are some correlations between the behavior of the Hispanics and the white "rednecks" if you will.

Both were from under-educated, blue-collar, and maybe even rural settings. Both were familiar with guns and alcohol and had no compunction about mixing the two.

I'd say the main difference between the two groups on this issue is that the white rednecks of Arkansas and Oklahoma know it's not proper to drink beer at a public range, but frequently choose to drink and shoot simultaneously while on their own private property.

I say the white rednecks apparently know not to drink on a public range, because I have never, ever, ever left a public range in my entire life because white rednecks were drinking beer at the range.

Now, I have left public ranges because of other dangerous behaviors exhibited by white rednecks, but never because of drinking specifically.

I've left a public range because white rednecks were popping off rifle rounds while another group of white rednecks were 25 yards downrange shooting pistols at targets about 15 feet to the right of the rifle targets that the first group was firing at.

And I have left private property where rednecks were drinking and shooting at the same time, and have never gone back to those places.

I'd say that these particular Hispanics, probably being relatively new to the Northwest Arkansas region, have not yet realized that drinking beer at a public range is not widely accepted behavior in Arkansas.

It's like the story that ran in the Morning News of Springdale, Arkansas about 11 years ago. Some of the first Hispanics who moved to Springdale were unaware that it wasn't the cultural norm to slaughter goats in the yard in a suburban neighborhood.

Now, I like BBQ of all sorts.

I have participated in hog killings and deer dressings and squirrel skinnings and cow butcherings and catfish filleting and bluegill cleaning, many, many times. I would gladly participate in a goat butchering if I got to help eat the end product and wash it down with beer.

But because I'm from Arkansas, I know what's okay out on grand-pappy's rural 40 acre farm ain't okay in a suburban neighborhood.

I wouldn't fillet catfish in the driveway of a suburban house, for example.

Filleting catfish in the garage with the door closed, out of sight of the neighbors, is something else, though.

The Hispanics slaughtering the goats in the backyard just didn't know.

Same with the beer drinking at the range. Their ethnicity is probably a large part of why they didn't know any better. They literally ain't from around here.

And my personal decision was to leave quickly and not attempt to communicate with folks who may or may not have spoken good English, who were drinking beer, and shooting guns.

I tend to try not to meddle too much with folks who are simultaneously drinking beer and shooting guns.

They make me rather nervous.

hillbilly
 
It's like the story that ran in the Morning News of Springdale, Arkansas about 11 years ago. Some of the first Hispanics who moved to Springdale were unaware that it wasn't the cultural norm to slaughter goats in the yard in a suburban neighborhood.

Now, I like BBQ of all sorts.

I have participated in hog killings and deer dressings and squirrel skinnings and cow butcherings and catfish filleting and bluegill cleaning, many, many times. I would gladly participate in a goat butchering if I got to help eat the end product and wash it down with beer.

But because I'm from Arkansas, I know what's okay out on grand-pappy's rural 40 acre farm ain't okay in a suburban neighborhood.

I wouldn't fillet catfish in the driveway of a suburban house, for example.

Filleting catfish in the garage with the door closed, out of sight of the neighbors, is something else, though.

The Hispanics slaughtering the goats in the backyard just didn't know.

You don't do it because it is illegal in Arkansas?
 
Thanks for clearing that up hillbilly.

drinking beer at a public range is not widely accepted behavior in Arkansas.
I have a friend from Rogers who led me to believe that it was, but you know when folks are away from home, (Like in a floating dumpster in the middle of the Pacific,) stories get embellished.

The story about the goats gives me a chuckle, there have been similar problems in SoCal with Asians and chickens.
 
"You don't do it because it is illegal in Arkansas"


It's not illegal but the city folks kinda freak out.
 
It's my understanding that, at least among Mexican silhouette shooters, drinking a beer while shooting is practically required. So it could very well be a cultural thing.

When I lived in Pleasant Grove (urban Dallas area) we had a group of Mexican immigrants across the street who would do that in their backyard every saturday and sunday nights, except they shot up into the air, not at targets.
 
hillbilly, i have shot at the range near Waldron. out towards lake Hinkle isn't it? beautiful and well kept. real mowed grass. i fished Hinkle a number of times and about the last time i was there i noticed "they" had dropped several dump loads of dirt to close the road. too bad as i enjoyed the place.

we, in Mena, have a public Forest Service range near here. i was there when it first opened. it was all fresh dirt, but nice, even had target holders provided. last time i was out there, the holders were all shot to hell and shot up beer cans and beer bottles littered the place, like they had brought a few dump loads of them in to dispose of. while i am surveying the damage, a couple truck loads of caucasions show up with beer and guns. i sort of slipped away under cover of the loud bragadocio.

seems to me the whole of the united states is filling up with trashy and disrespectful people. i now have my own little range to 80 yards, all i could fit in. and, so far, there is no law against shooting there. is a pitiful situation all around.
 
Also, for Darth Bubba; I am curious as to why offhand shooting is more dangerous while under the influence, than Weaver or Isocoles under the influence.

No_Brakes23,

You are right I should have rightly pointed out that shooting any weapon in anyway while under the influence is really dangerous.
Sorry for my faupax. I am a nondrinker and have seen some of the results of guns and beer in the form of a very nasty hunting accident that made a big impact on me when I was younger. A good friend of mine was shot in the back of the head with a .270 it blew the top of his skull off and some how he managed to survive. Needless to say that made a big impact on my views on consumption of alcohol and fire arms in close proxmity.

DarthBubba :(
 
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