Well, Turn the lights off on Wa. State.

[WestKentucky]

Concentrating pro-gun voters in any state cannot be a bad thing!

I hate to disagree but I have to on this one. Each state has a limited number of votes on Capitol Hill and if we give up on 25 to have it good in the other 25 then we are gonna get sunk the first time any bills are up for consideration because the VP will vote “for the sake of the children and common folks”. I do agree that it would be great for state law, but that is not the only consideration to be made.

 

[J-Bar]

I hate to disagree but I have to on this one. Each state has a limited number of votes on Capitol Hill and if we give up on 25 to have it good in the other 25 then we are gonna get sunk the first time any bills are up for consideration because the VP will vote “for the sake of the children and common folks”. I do agree that it would be great for state law, but that is not the only consideration to be made.

I think very few gun enthusiasts are going to move to anti-gun states to address an imbalance.

 

[Gun-Reck]

Could also be a Uge business opportunity, for one setting up a new shop in accordance.

Corner the market.

Lemonade out of lemons.

 

[luv2safari]

A thought: the summary says the threshold is $1000 “in sales.” Technically a transfer isn’t a sale, it’s a service. So might this leave the door open for smaller dealers to become transfer dealers, facilitating private party and online sales?

I suppose one could also get creative and spin off the accessories parts of the business into a separate LLC that just happens to share ownership and premises with the transfer dealer, but has nothing to do with that, no siree, nothing at all. One could perhaps even establish a third LLC based in another state, with a website, whereby the customer could order the firearm -the actual sale isn’t done by the WA shop, all the money is handled by that Idaho outfit. The WA shop maintains a non-selling demo inventory and after online purchase from their special partner, is happy to provide a transfer at nominal cost….


I don’t know if this is workable or not, but it seems a promising line of inquiry.

A transfer is seen as a sale in some states, mine included.

 

[Mark_Mark]

there no Gun Ban Law they don’t like in Seattle! Hate this cold depressing place

 

[Miami_JBT]

I think very few gun enthusiasts are going to move to anti-gun states to address an imbalance.

That's why they're failing. Instead of fleeing to "red states" where they can be lazy and do nothing. They should be pioneers and outnumber the anti-gunners via moving to new locations. Back in the 1980s, the Rajneeshees (a cult) moved in mass to Antelope, OR and out numbered the locals. They won local elections and took over the local government. Gun owners could do the same. But they're lazy and political apathetic.

 

[Gun-Reck]

Unfortunately, the Constitution itself defines "treason" as "only in levying war against them [the United States], or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort." Alleged violations of the Constitution, without more, are not treason.

We need to be precise as to our terminology.

But we Are at war.

A cold, Civil War, to be exact.

And they are the Enemy, make no mistake.

The Battle of Concord (19APR1775) - was fought to protect the Militia's weapon and ammunition stores there.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Probably not.

.... There is nothing going to NICS directly from a dealer. It goes to the WSP.

In Tennessee the dealer contacts the State which has its own database of local wants and warrants and if you are clear, the State contacts the Federal NICS for final check.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

I think very few gun enthusiasts are going to move to anti-gun states to address an imbalance.

That's why they're failing. Instead of fleeing to "red states" where they can be lazy and do nothing. They should be pioneers and outnumber the anti-gunners via moving to new locations. Back in the 1980s, the Rajneeshees (a cult) moved in mass to Antelope, OR and out numbered the locals. They won local elections and took over the local government. Gun owners could do the same. But they're lazy and political apathetic.

Wealthy Leftists aren't moving to Red states over gun-rights issues. They are moving to dodge the crime, taxes, and economic ruin their policies have wrought- only to inflict those policies on their new territories like locusts moving from field to field. If it's any small consolation, over-educated, largely White, progressive elies aren't reproducing fast enough to generationally replace their own numbers so their political influence is powerful, but fleeting.

A much larger threat is that of the Leftist/Socialist poor who settle in an area, do not assimilate to the native culture, and reproduce in great numbers- look no further than Minnesota and Wisconsin. These demographics dont have the financial means to migrate on a whim, and usually only move when forced out by a major sociatal upheaval such as war or external pressure like drought, famine, or plague.

Mix poverty and desperation with hundreds of year of self-identification as victims, throw in draconian, expansionist religious elements, and you have a cancer that is extremely difficult to cure.

 

[jdc1244]

Are you sure?
I live in Washington State and that's not what I have been told by the pawn shops and gun stores I go to?
Home and garage FFL will be impacted for sure but most gun stores and pawn shops will already meet the requirements , video surveillance, guns put in vault when closed and a solid locked door when closed most of this is already standard practice for a gun / pawn store

Correct.

The notion that the measure will force every FFL in Washington State to close is dishonest fearmongering and a lie.

 

[AlexanderA]

I've always thought that after Obama's administration and Sandy Hook, that the numbers of firearms sold exponentially increased. Same thing happened here with state AG legislation every year for the past 5 years. So now that it's almost impossible to purchase a firearm here, most people just laugh. There are so many firearms now legally owned by WA residents that more new sales aren't actually needed. Existing restricted firearms will just be traded or sold illegally. All the AG crowd did was create a yuge black market.

Exactly! Every time there's even a whiff of more restrictive legislation, gun sales spike. After several rounds of such panic buying, in the last 30-40 years, we must have reached a saturation point in this country. More guns than people. So the antigun campaigns have had exactly the opposite of their intended effect. Further legislation, at this point, is like closing the barn door after all the horses have fled.

 

[AlexanderA]

The goal is to drive gun ownership underground. Make it something that isn't publicly done. The state isn't interested in going after your guns. They're interested in making you have to close the blinds and stroke your AR in the darkness of your living room. Never able to legally take it out to the range and teach the youth on how to handle it. They want to watch you die of old age and when your grandkids are going through your stuff, they call the state police to haul off your "illegal" guns.

This overlooks the strength of the gun culture in this country. Probably no other advanced country in the world loves its guns as much as America. If the antigunners were smart, they'd go after the gun culture first, before even thinking about restrictive legislation. For example, they could persuade their buddies in Hollywood to stop portraying guns so prominently in movies. Just as you never see people smoking in movies any more, likewise there could be a moratorium on the use of guns in movies. But the fact that this isn't feasible shows how strong the gun culture is. Besides that, the antigunners aren't smart.

 

[Riomouse911]

Where is @Mark_Mark going to go now for his smoking deals?

Stay safe.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Where is @Mark_Mark going to go now for his smoking deals?

Stay safe.

very SAD crying inside crying - Do they have gun therapists?!?!?!?!

 

[Mark_Mark]

Wealthy Leftists aren't moving to Red states over gun-rights issues. They are moving to dodge the crime, taxes, and economic ruin their policies have wrought- only to inflict those policies on their new territories like locusts moving from field to field. If it's any small consolation, over-educated, largely White, progressive elies aren't reproducing fast enough to generationally replace their own numbers so their political influence is powerful, but fleeting.

A much larger threat is that of the Leftist/Socialist poor who settle in an area, do not assimilate to the native culture, and reproduce in great numbers- look no further than Minnesota and Wisconsin. These demographics dont have the financial means to migrate on a whim, and usually only move when forced out by a major sociatal upheaval such as war or external pressure like drought, famine, or plague.

Mix poverty and desperation with hundreds of year of self-identification as victims, throw in draconian, expansionist religious elements, and you have a cancer that is extremely difficult to cure.

You preach BRO! The only thing that can combat these problems is LOTS of cop, AND ( won’t go there because ) but…

Here in Seattle Area, it’s regular to see young criminals in stolen Kia’s with Glock Switches. They are not EVER charged with a weapon crime. But the law abiding citizen will get the books thrown at them HARD for very little. See the problem we have here? I live in one the rich neighborhood of Settle and I can’t relate to any of my neighbors. Very strange place here, People ask why I spend so much time at the Gun Shop & Range… to feel normal.

You have it GOOD in Florida!

 

[Miami_JBT]

This overlooks the strength of the gun culture in this country. Probably no other advanced country in the world loves its guns as much as America. If the antigunners were smart, they'd go after the gun culture first, before even thinking about restrictive legislation. For example, they could persuade their buddies in Hollywood to stop portraying guns so prominently in movies. Just as you never see people smoking in movies any more, likewise there could be a moratorium on the use of guns in movies. But the fact that this isn't feasible shows how strong the gun culture is. Besides that, the antigunners aren't smart.

Yeah, that hasn't worked. Teen/youth smoking is increasing again. It is being linked to three things. Vaping, retro nostalgia of older Hollywood glamour, and rebellious action by youth going against the authority. As for the attack on gun rights. Anti-gunners are attacking gun culture. They're trying to drive it underground to where the law-abiding don't teach/expose the incoming generations. Their goals are to make it as erroneous and arduous as possible.

 

[Miami_JBT]

You preach BRO! The only thing that can combat these problems is LOTS of cop, AND ( won’t go there because ) but…

Here in Seattle Area, it’s regular to see young criminals in stolen Kia’s with Glock Switches. They are not EVER charged with a weapon crime. But the law abiding citizen will get the books thrown at them HARD for very little. See the problem we have here? I live in one the rich neighborhood of Settle and I can’t relate to any of my neighbors. Very strange place here, People ask why I spend so much time at the Gun Shop & Range… to feel normal.

You have it GOOD in Florida!

As a former cop from FL..... LOL, more police isn't the answer. Giving the state more power is NEVER THE ANSWER.

 

[Riomouse911]

As a former cop from FL..... LOL, more police isn't the answer. Giving the state more power is NEVER THE ANSWER.

Correct. Absolute power absolutely corrupts, no matter which political wing has it.

But the State holding people accountable for their own actions is a pretty good start.

Sadly, the children who were given gray, mauve and pink ribbons for their 10th, 11th and 12th place finishes all their young lives are now the ones with the political numbers that keep pushing us into the situation we are in now. The “participation trophy” generation has been fully taught that there is no such thing as a bad person, it’s all the fault of something else. (Aka all the “root cause” BS.) So lets transfer all the blame to the gun for the actions, not the crook.

Good luck Washington State .

Stay safe.

 

[SunnySlopes]

Concentrating pro-gun voters in any state cannot be a bad thing!

Just because somebody owns a gun doesn't mean I'm gonna let him date my sister. Mebbe he's a stinkin' liberal in every other way. He's still bad for my state and I hate liberals.

 

[Miami_JBT]

Just because somebody owns a gun doesn't mean I'm gonna let him date my sister. Mebbe he's a stinkin' liberal in every other way. He's still bad for my state and I hate liberals.

Just because someone has an (R) next to their name on the ballot ain't much of a thing either. It was the Republican Supermajority in FL that passed gun control after Parkland and it is the Republican Supermajority in FL that constantly kills pro-gun legislation.

In the end, it comes down to being involved politically and gun owners as a whole from my experience as political lazy and apathetic. They don't want to get involved. Their solution is flee to a pro-gun location and do nothing because it is already pro-gun. For over a decade, I recall Californians moving to Washington to escape the gun control in California. And the evidence is showing that those folks who fled to Washington, didn't really get involved politically.

Meanwhile, anti-gunners willing chipped away the foundations of pro-gun areas and through the decades, turn locations into crappy places to live regarding gun rights. That's what they did to Washington. Again, as a Floridian, I used to be envious of Washington's pro-gun stances. They had shall issue CCWs long before Florida did. They had (and still have) open carry. They had no waiting periods.

But that was slowly chipped away and now Florida is in a better position than Washington. Which sucks! Because Florida ain't exactly the gleaming example of liberty.

 

[Mark_Mark]

As a former cop from FL..... LOL, more police isn't the answer. Giving the state more power is NEVER THE ANSWER.

I agree, but in a lawless society like Seattle. We tried defunding the police and that didn’t work out too well. You guys DON’t understand what lawlessness looks like!

Like I said Glock Switched are pretty much a “legal” thangs here if your a criminal

 

[SunnySlopes]

Just because someone has an (R) next to their name on the ballot ain't much of a thing either.

Work on your reading comprehension. I said "liberals." That includes RINOs and RATs.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Correct. Absolute power absolutely corrupts, no matter which political wing has it.

But the State holding people accountable for their own actions is a pretty good start.

Sadly, the children who were given gray, mauve and pink ribbons for their 10th, 11th and 12th place finishes all their young lives are now the ones with the political numbers that keep pushing us into the situation we are in now. The “participation trophy” generation has been fully taught that there is no such thing as a bad person, it’s all the fault of something else. (Aka all the “root cause” BS.) So lets transfer all the blame to the gun for the actions, not the crook.

Good luck Washington State .

Stay safe.

You already know! !

 

[Miami_JBT]

Work on your reading comprehension. I said "liberals." That includes RINOs and RATs.

Reagan pushed gun control. Is he a RINO? What about Trump? He pushed gun control too. Is he a RINO?

 

[Mark_Mark]

Just because someone has an (R) next to their name on the ballot ain't much of a thing either. It was the Republican Supermajority in FL that passed gun control after Parkland and it is the Republican Supermajority in FL that constantly kills pro-gun legislation.

In the end, it comes down to being involved politically and gun owners as a whole from my experience as political lazy and apathetic. They don't want to get involved. Their solution is flee to a pro-gun location and do nothing because it is already pro-gun. For over a decade, I recall Californians moving to Washington to escape the gun control in California. And the evidence is showing that those folks who fled to Washington, didn't really get involved politically.

Meanwhile, anti-gunners willing chipped away the foundations of pro-gun areas and through the decades, turn locations into crappy places to live regarding gun rights. That's what they did to Washington. Again, as a Floridian, I used to be envious of Washington's pro-gun stances. They had shall issue CCWs long before Florida did. They had (and still have) open carry. They had no waiting periods.

But that was slowly chipped away and now Florida is in a better position than Washington. Which sucks! Because Florida ain't exactly the gleaming example of liberty.

our CCW is a fingerprint (home kit during covid) fed check, and mailed to your mailbox!

Out 2A stances was AMAZING, and in 8 years. Eroded to dust. and out crime is now out of control