What about those two spare magazines?

[Buck Snort]

Let's say I'm pack'n a 5" 45 ACP and the gun is loaded with 165 gr. Powerball ammo(1225 fps from a 5" barrel). What should the two spare magazines be packed with? With the likelihood that by the time one magazine is emptied the opposition is going to have taken cover of some sort, perhaps the next two should be loaded with 230 gr. JFP +P for penetration of drywall or the fender of a car? Gimme some feedback guys. (Please provide some rational for your point of view)

 

[rcmodel]

All three of mine would be loaded with 230 grain JHP to start with.

That way, I wouldn't have to make any life changing decisions in the middle of a gun fight as to which ammo to use, for what specific purpose.

It would work for everything.

rc

 

[Buck Snort]

All three of mine would be loaded with 230 grain JHP to start with.

That way, I wouldn't have to make any life changing decisions in the middle of a gun fight as to which ammo to use, for what specific purpose.

It would work for everything.

rc

No ammo will "work for everything". Modern ammo is pretty good stuff I'll agree but there's nothing out there that'll "work for everything".

 

[rcmodel]

You yourself said

for penetration of drywall or the fender of a car?

By "everything", I wasn't talking about Elephant or Moose.
In the confines of self defense use of a .45 ACP, 230 JHP will work for everything of that nature.

Or do you just want to argue about your choice of 165 grain .45 ammo?

rc

 

[CoRoMo]

...perhaps the next two should be loaded with 230 gr. JFP +P for penetration of drywall or the fender of a car?

Then I would have the first magazine loaded with that as well. No point in carrying different loads IMO.

 

[highorder]

With the likelihood that by the time one magazine is emptied the opposition is going to have taken cover of some sort,

likelihood?

Sounds like you're planning for a rare gunfight.

The internet says "most" gunfights last 3 rounds, fired at 3 feet, in 3 seconds.

I would have all magazines loaded with 230gr. JHP.

 

[thunder173]

To the OP...you have been given good advise,...your call as to whether or not you take it. Me,...I carry the same in my reload(s) as I do in the gun. My vote would be to get one round that works for you and in your gun,..then use it.

 

[Buck Snort]

likelihood?

Sounds like you're planning for a rare gunfight.

The internet says "most" gunfights last 3 rounds, fired at 3 feet, in 3 seconds.

I would have all magazines loaded with 230gr. JHP.

You make a good point. Gunfights ARE rare (I certainly don't WANT to get into one), yet we are bombarded with advice to carry spare mags. My thinking was that a lighter bullet would allow for quicker follow up shots but that once the initial exchange is over then the situation changes to one where the adversaries are hiding behind cars and such. THEN, other considerations come into play.

 

[g.a.stahle]

There's a really good chance that by the time a situation escalated to the point of taking cover behind cars and magazines were swapped, LEOs would be on the scene.

As far as MY spare mags go, they're loaded with the same 185 grain Hornaday Critical Defense rounds that are in my Kimber.

 

[JohnBiltz]

I'd make my choice on ammo to use and load all the magazines the same.

 

[Old Shooter]

If I get into a gunfight and it extends past the 7 rounds in my weapon and the bad guys are taking cover behind whatever and are willing to continue the fight, I must have done something to REALLY pi$$ em off and need to pull up some heavier hardware, not just the .45 peashooter I've used thus far. To answer your original question, I'd have Winchester or Remington hollow points in all 3 of my magazines, thats if I carried 3. Three mags of hardball is not a bad idea either.

 

[hardworker]

Since when does shooting through cover constitute self defense?

 

[Jim K]

A while back on another site, a fellow posted that he carried two big Glocks, two little Glocks, four extra loaded magazines for each gun, two 50 round boxes of ammunition, a Bowie knife and nunchuks. Anyone think that he might have just been a) well prepared, b) overgunned or 3) lying?

JIm

 

[clutch]

I'd be loading what ever I trained with in the firearm.

 

[Buck Snort]

g.a. stahle wrote: "There's a really good chance that by the time a situation escalated to the point of taking cover behind cars and magazines were swapped, LEOs would be on the scene."

It takes about 5 seconds to empty a magazine, about five seconds to change mags, and the cops are on the scene? Not in this part of the country g.a.!

 

[Buck Snort]

Since when does shooting through cover constitute self defense?

Uh, when the bad guys are behind that cover shooting at the good guy maybe?

 

[Floppy_D]

Anyone think that he might have just been a) well prepared, b) overgunned or 3) lying?

B or C, and lots of it. I hardly ever carry anymore, as if I'm leaving the house, it's probably to do something on base, where I can't carry. If you're genuinely looking out for your well-being, there ain't just a whole lot that regular exercise, seatbelt employment, locking the doors and stayin' out of where you shouldn't be won't fix.

 

[Buck Snort]

Good luck with that.

 

[buck460XVR]

Let's say I'm pack'n a 5" 45 ACP and the gun is loaded with 165 gr. Powerball ammo(1225 fps from a 5" barrel). What should the two spare magazines be packed with? With the likelihood that by the time one magazine is emptied the opposition is going to have taken cover of some sort, perhaps the next two should be loaded with 230 gr. JFP +P for penetration of drywall or the fender of a car? Gimme some feedback guys. (Please provide some rational for your point of view)

My 5'' Government doesn't shot to the same POA with 165gr powerball and 230gr JFP+P. Last thing I want to do under stress is try and remember how to hold for 2 different types of ammo.

230gr JHP for me in all my mags.

 

[hardworker]

Uh, when the bad guys are behind that cover shooting at the good guy maybe?

Outside of Die Hard movies, when does that ever happen?

 

[Jackal1]

You should carry the same ammo in all of your magazines, which should be the same ammo you practiced with.

If you have time to think during a self-defense firefight, you likely have time to find a way to run away or find a way to go get your rifle/shotgun.

Close quarters firefights take place based on instinct and training, very little "thought" is involved.

Cheers

 

[Buck Snort]

You should carry the same ammo in all of your magazines, which should be the same ammo you practiced with.

If you have time to think during a self-defense firefight, you likely have time to find a way to run away or find a way to go get your rifle/shotgun.

Close quarters firefights take place based on instinct and training, very little "thought" is involved.

Cheers

There's no thinking involved, ya just grab the next magazine and stick it into the gun. Also, gunfights are not ALWAYS close quarter affairs, although they predominately are.

 

[X-Rap]

You also need to bring reliability into your thought process. Messing around in the middle of a gunfight with ammo that cycles differently in the gun and has different recoil characteristics just seems waiting for a major malfunction.

 

[BCRider]

Another excellent reason to stick with one ammo load is that a difference of bullet weights from 165 to 230 gns will certainly produce a pretty big difference in POI compared to POA. This won't matter for the internet "standard" gun battle of 3 shots from 3 feet in 3 seconds but if for some reason you find yourself at a greater distance then aiming becomes expected and at that point I'd want the gun to be able to put the bullets where I'm pointing and not somewhere lower due to high velocity and light bullets.

 

[dogtown tom]

Jim Keenan A while back on another site, a fellow posted that he carried two big Glocks, two little Glocks...

C'mon Jim!!!!!
You've heard of a triple New York reload haven't ya?