I didn't read all of the posts but here is my opinion. If you moved in together and he had stated his position up front and you agreed then I think you are wrong for bringing the gun into the apartment. Legal matters aside, you would not be a man of your word.
What are your opinions of this situation?
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eventer289
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This is true, but I broke my word to him on this issue once he broke his word on multiple things he claimed he'd do. I can't uphold my end of a deal if someone else doesn't uphold their's. This is besides the point though (him not keeping his word to me on various matters).
...He really gave the whole "no such thing as private property" speech huh? Well political ideologies are tough to discuss around friends. I agree with TAB. However, if he really gets under your skin by the end of the semester, I would let him see you pack it up for your trip home. While I have some liberal roommates (three of them) they're all pro (or at least not anti) gun. Although it doesn't really matter since I'm in the dorms.
The Deer Hunter
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If I could have my gun, I would have my gun. I just wouldn't tell him. Why put your own life at risk because he lives in an idealistic fantasy land?
Regardless of what you end up doing, when you move out tell him you had it under your bed the entire time. The mere fact that he lived feet away from a real firearm without dying should blow his mind.
Regardless of what you end up doing, when you move out tell him you had it under your bed the entire time. The mere fact that he lived feet away from a real firearm without dying should blow his mind.
mgkdrgn
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Feel free to start ignoring morons ... esp the LOUD ones. It's a skill that will serve you well for the rest of your life, might as well get some early practice.
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"I'm very much against "fluoridation" (contaminating our precious bodily fluids!) and will move out if you bring any fluoridated toothpaste into the house!"
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"I'm very much against "fluoridation" (contaminating our precious bodily fluids!) and will move out if you bring any fluoridated toothpaste into the house!"
TAB, the roomate is legally bound to pay his part of the lease regardless of whether he lives there or not, unless he is not on the lease.
If hes not on the lease it doesnt matter what the roommate says, hes out in one night.
Unless the roommate stated before moving in that he doesnt want a firearm there, unless its in the lease, unless the OP is a former felon, theres no reason the OP cannot move the firearm in.
Since this guy says he is a Commie he will enjoy it when his roommate calls the police to have him removed if he cannot accept the firearms presence.
Sure hate it for the dumb commie if he signed on the lease, 4 months rent to live elsewhere, actually its to the OPs advantage, the roommate is legally bound to pay the rent any way it goes for the next 4 months.
Find an American roommate for next years (yes a real American).
If hes not on the lease it doesnt matter what the roommate says, hes out in one night.
Unless the roommate stated before moving in that he doesnt want a firearm there, unless its in the lease, unless the OP is a former felon, theres no reason the OP cannot move the firearm in.
Since this guy says he is a Commie he will enjoy it when his roommate calls the police to have him removed if he cannot accept the firearms presence.
Sure hate it for the dumb commie if he signed on the lease, 4 months rent to live elsewhere, actually its to the OPs advantage, the roommate is legally bound to pay the rent any way it goes for the next 4 months.
Find an American roommate for next years (yes a real American).
mr.trooper
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If he actually SAID that nobody owns anything, then he isn't a very good communist.
Marx said that the only thing the proletariat own is their labor, because the ruling classes have a monopoly on land and capitol. That shotgun was purchased with your money, which you received as compensation for your labor. Thus it can be argued, even from a communist perspective, that the shotty is a physical manifestation of your labor, which you own.
Marx also said: "each according to his ability, each according to his need". Since you have the ability, to safely operate the weapon, and you have an appropriate need for it (sporting and preservation of life) then from a Marxist perspective you are entitled to your weapon.
Try those argument on him and see what he says!
Marx said that the only thing the proletariat own is their labor, because the ruling classes have a monopoly on land and capitol. That shotgun was purchased with your money, which you received as compensation for your labor. Thus it can be argued, even from a communist perspective, that the shotty is a physical manifestation of your labor, which you own.
Marx also said: "each according to his ability, each according to his need". Since you have the ability, to safely operate the weapon, and you have an appropriate need for it (sporting and preservation of life) then from a Marxist perspective you are entitled to your weapon.
Try those argument on him and see what he says!
Two things:
1. If it is a joint lease, then he is NOT liable to pay is half of the rent. You are jointly and severally liable, meaning you are each responsible for the full amount if the other does not pay. If he moves out, you must cover his share. Unless you have individual leases with the landlord, then you are each wholly responsible.
2. If he has never seen the gun or know what kind it is, then you don't have to worry about him calling the police because they will know he is completely full of **** when he can't explain to them what it looks like.
1. If it is a joint lease, then he is NOT liable to pay is half of the rent. You are jointly and severally liable, meaning you are each responsible for the full amount if the other does not pay. If he moves out, you must cover his share. Unless you have individual leases with the landlord, then you are each wholly responsible.
2. If he has never seen the gun or know what kind it is, then you don't have to worry about him calling the police because they will know he is completely full of **** when he can't explain to them what it looks like.
woof
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cbrgator, I agree completely on your first point but not the second. If the OP listens to those who say just be defiant and move the gun in he will wish he hadn't. I hate it being that way but I don't want him to get burned over "my" sense of bravado on the other side of the monitor.
If the OP were to complain to the police, odds are very high the OP will be at the very least hassled by them.
If the OP complains to the landlord chances are he will nix the gun. How? Because the lease probably says something like - and I can also make other rules if I believe the safety and security of my property is in jeopardy - and he gets to decide what that means.
I believe the gun did not have to be discussed in advance for it to be a change to the spirit of the agreement now. What if the roommate says he, by the way, has a bloodthirsty pitbull he's bringing in, or his satanist cult will be there for meetings? If the so called "reasonable man" believes the change is something the other party would have objected to if it had come up at the beginning, then it is a change in mid agreement. I don't like it but the fact is in our society a shotgun in a student apartment would fit that.
If the OP wants revenge just wait till the day Mao tse Dung does move out, kick his butt and say there, that's for the shotgun.
If the OP were to complain to the police, odds are very high the OP will be at the very least hassled by them.
If the OP complains to the landlord chances are he will nix the gun. How? Because the lease probably says something like - and I can also make other rules if I believe the safety and security of my property is in jeopardy - and he gets to decide what that means.
I believe the gun did not have to be discussed in advance for it to be a change to the spirit of the agreement now. What if the roommate says he, by the way, has a bloodthirsty pitbull he's bringing in, or his satanist cult will be there for meetings? If the so called "reasonable man" believes the change is something the other party would have objected to if it had come up at the beginning, then it is a change in mid agreement. I don't like it but the fact is in our society a shotgun in a student apartment would fit that.
If the OP wants revenge just wait till the day Mao tse Dung does move out, kick his butt and say there, that's for the shotgun.
DHJenkins
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I wouldn't piss off someone who is alone with your stuff.
Personally, I'd tell the roomy "I'm bringing my guns home and I've taken the liberty of finding a new roomate - when will you be moving out?"
Personally, I'd tell the roomy "I'm bringing my guns home and I've taken the liberty of finding a new roomate - when will you be moving out?"
MT GUNNY
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Stirling XD
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Anyone that is dumb enough to proclaim himself a communist that hates all guns is likely to be crazy enough to steal your gun and toss it in a lake. People like this usually believe the only opinion that matters is their own. Arguing is pointless. Their mind is made up and they don't want to be confused with facts. And don't even bother bringing up 2a rights. I'm sure a communist has little use for a Constituions such as ours.
I would try to peacefully coexist and nothing else. Don't hang out with him or get in a car with him. I see a "posession" bust in his future. Don't let him drag you down too.
I would try to peacefully coexist and nothing else. Don't hang out with him or get in a car with him. I see a "posession" bust in his future. Don't let him drag you down too.
On the last day of the lease, I'd tell him, "By the way, I've got a friend I'd like you to meet. My friend and I would like to bring our relationship out of the closet and into the open. Are you OK with that?"
If he says, "Yes", take the gun out of the closet and say, "I'd like you to meet my little friend". Then start laughing hysterically.
But then, I like to tweak people who have irrational ideologies and firmly make those ideologies public, while expecting others to accept their opinions at 100% face value. He needs to be knocked down a notch, but make sure your gun and your gun rights aren't jeopardized in doing so. Make sure the shotgun is unloaded and the action open if possible. That way you can explain to the cops that he's a nutcase if he tries to call them on you.
If he says, "Yes", take the gun out of the closet and say, "I'd like you to meet my little friend". Then start laughing hysterically.
But then, I like to tweak people who have irrational ideologies and firmly make those ideologies public, while expecting others to accept their opinions at 100% face value. He needs to be knocked down a notch, but make sure your gun and your gun rights aren't jeopardized in doing so. Make sure the shotgun is unloaded and the action open if possible. That way you can explain to the cops that he's a nutcase if he tries to call them on you.
Art Eatman
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Seems to me it's up to the OP to know the pertinent laws about firearms in his domicile. But there's been little legal discussion in this thread...
THR ain't a roommate counselling service...
THR ain't a roommate counselling service...
WardenWolf
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The best thing you can do to avoid trouble is to kick him out at the end of the lease and wait until then to get your gun. I honestly think he'd tell police you were planning violence with it. He sounds that wacky. That's the easiest way to avoid LEGAL trouble and the LEGAL way to deal with the problem.
In order for a roommate to move out or terminate a lease unless the terms are met to terminate the lease early, both roommates are legally bound by law to pay their halves of the rent in full until the end of the lease reqardless if they live there or not. If one ditches, they are legally bound to pay the rent or said landlord or roommate can take roommate to court and regain the other half of the rent.
The only way the roommate is not bound by the lease is if he never signed a lease, and moved in on verbal agreement with the other roommate who signed the lease. In which case he can be evicted overnight, but the court will still award the rest of the lease rent because a verbal agreement by law on a payment, or rent is a contract.
The roommate has to find someone else to take his place if he moves out for the remainder of the lease or he must pay until the end regardless if he lives there or not.
The 2nd ammendment says I or any other American Adult who is not a felon can possess a firearm, therefore commie "put up or pay up and go home".
The only way the roommate is not bound by the lease is if he never signed a lease, and moved in on verbal agreement with the other roommate who signed the lease. In which case he can be evicted overnight, but the court will still award the rest of the lease rent because a verbal agreement by law on a payment, or rent is a contract.
The roommate has to find someone else to take his place if he moves out for the remainder of the lease or he must pay until the end regardless if he lives there or not.
The 2nd ammendment says I or any other American Adult who is not a felon can possess a firearm, therefore commie "put up or pay up and go home".
Art Eatman
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