What caliber for alligator?

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You should see what one can do to a Toyota Corolla...

We had about a 13 footer cross the road, which is quite common here with the amount of fresh and saltwater canals we have. A little old lady thought it was a log and though she could get over it.

She, of course, got stuck and luckily got out of the vehicle. It didn't kill the gator and it was NOT happy. After it was through you would have thought that lady rolled that car over a dozen times.

They finished that one off with a 12 gauge bangstick to the grape.
 
Im going on a guided alligator hunt this summer and will be taking a 243win and a 45-70 because thats what has been recommended by members of another forum

Just curious, how many of those people who recommended those calibers have actually shot a gator before?

As it has been stated, killing a reptile like that has more to do with shot placement than caliber. They aren't wired like mammals, if you don't kill them with the first shot, you make them angry, or scared, or both. If you scare them they go deep and you won't see them again for hours or days. A full grown gator can stay submerged for a several hours if need be, and an angry gator can do a lot of damage real quick.

I've seen gators in the wild that were missing two limbs (most likely from scraps with larger gators) that had no problem getting around quickly both in the water and on land. You want to kill a gator I suggest that you actually do an internet search and learn a bit about the animal's anatomy so you know how to aim for what little brain they have.

If you plan on visiting or moving to Florida you have to understand that any body of water larger than a mud puddle is apt to have a gator in residence. Between the comeback since they were almost hunted to extinction, and encroachment of human habitations, the smaller guys (four to seven feet) are being forced out of the rural areas by the big bulls, and are setting up territories in more urban settings.

As for the snakes mentioned, I haven't had any problem with them. They'll leave you alone if you leave them alone. I've been catching and relocating rattlers and coral snakes for years. I've never been bitten.

Also, most rattle snake bites that are not a result of some damn fool thinking he can handle them because he has watched Jeff Corwin do it on TV occur without the characteristic warning rattle.

I remember swimming at a private spring outside High Springs, Florida. I was listening to two tourists talking about how they would never swim in water where they knew there might be snakes. I got a good laugh pointing out the six+ foot moccasin that had been sunning itself on a log not twenty five feet away for the previous two hours that we had all been diving and splashing in the area. They got out of the water and wouldn't get back in.

Florida is a great place to live, and our natural waterways are wonderful places to play and observe our wildlife. Just remember, like any natural setting, the animals that live there are part of the eco-system and have right to live unmolested. They are no threat unless they get into our living areas, and even then they can be safely moved in most cases.

That being said, if I found a gator in my kitchen I'd grab the .22 and the bar-b-que sauce.
 
One of my neighbors traps gators professionally. He carries a .40 S&W becaue that's the gun he likes. As other have said, a .22 will do the job with proper shot placement. You can blow the rear legs and tail off with a bazooka and only succeed in making it less friendly. When I hunt in the swamp, I carry a .45 loaded with hot 230gr FMJs in case of close encounters with hogs, gators, or crackheads.
 
When I hunt in the swamp, I carry a .45 loaded with hot 230gr FMJs in case of close encounters with hogs, gators, or crackheads.

Yep! I carry a .40 S&W myself, but that's because I haven't had the money to buy a 1911 yet.

Of the three critters you mentioned, the gators are the least aggressive, and the easiest to deal with. Of course if you have to shoot one of the others you can always feed the crackheads to the hogs and gators.

If you shoot a gator or a hog though, did I mention that I make really good bar-b-que sauce?:D
 
Yep! I carry a .40 S&W myself, but that's because I haven't had the money to buy a 1911 yet.

Of the three critters you mentioned, the gators are the least aggressive, and the easiest to deal with. Of course if you have to shoot one of the others you can always feed the crackheads to the hogs and gators.

If you shoot a gator or a hog though, did I mention that I make really good bar-b-que sauce?

:D

Om my last hunting trip, I stumbled upon a 9' gator that someone had just killed and left to rot,, what a waste of good meat!! I can't imagine why they shot it, as it was on dry land and I've never seen a gator do anything but retreat from a man on land and I could see no sign of a nearby nest that it might have been protecting.

It was probably one of those crackheads, by far the most dangerous critter I've encountered in the Florida wild.
 
"When I hunt in the swamp, I carry a .45 loaded with hot 230gr FMJs in case of close encounters with hogs, gators, or crackheads."
-You gotta watch out for the crackheads. Once, I saw one lift a city bus on the Chappelle Show!
I have never seen a gator outside of a terrarium, well, once I saw one at a Port Aransas park, but it was from a distance. I would have to guess that a 12-Ga loaded with a 2 3/4" slug, or 3" worth of 000 buckshot would do great.
 
we bounced 6 shots from a .38 right off of ones skull... the 12ga did the trick though
 
we bounced 6 shots from a .38 right off of ones skull... the 12ga did the trick though

I carried both of those in the day of LEO, really liked the 12 did not care for the 38 much, but at that date and time it is what we were allowed to have on us. The 38 +P 125 grain is not bad. But the 12 gage 00 buck did a heck of a job;)
 
From what I have been told, if a moccasin is in an ornerous mood, they will stand their ground or come after you.
They're really hard to predict. Some will stand their ground, and then some show that they'd rather be elsewhere.
To add to the confusion, nonpoisonous brown water snakes which really look similar to the moc can show the same behavior. In fact, these are the ones which are bad about dropping into the boat with fishermen. Furthermore, if you decide to play Steve Irwin with a brownie, you will quickly find that he can have a very nasty bite that can lay your arm open! To me, this proves that "nonpoisonous" snakes are not necessarily the same as "harmless" snakes.

The medicine for these critters? We've found that a good old "useless' .410 usually does the trick.
 
Yeah, moccasins can be nasty, but mostly if they have been messed with. I've heard accounts from reliable people about being tracked by a moccasin they angered. I have messed with them a bit, but not intentionally, they don't give ground like other snakes normally do. I even had one attack a big front end loader I was driving once. That snake was only three feet long, but it would not back down from that front end loader at all: finally ended up running it over and crushing it.

Even with that though, I've never been actively threatened by one that I hadn't inadvertently threatened first.

I just don't have a problem with snakes. I've never understood the "only good snake is a dead snake" attitude. I've handled coral snakes, rattlers, gaboon vipers, and spitting cobras to mention a few, as well as a plethora of non-venomous snakes. I like them, and don't get too worked up just because I see a snake in the woods or down by the water. I respect them, but I'm not afraid of them. We're better off with them than without them.
 
Like lobster I think

Alligators are prepared in the finer restaurants, just like lobster. They're usually boiled till they turn red, right?:uhoh:

Is that what the Florida resident was trying to do?

Did she buy it frozen and then it thawed out in the hours approaching dinner time?:uhoh:
 
I just don't have a problem with snakes. I've never understood the "only good snake is a dead snake" attitude. I respect them, but I'm not afraid of them. We're better off with them than without them.

LOL.........You must be a relative of my wife. She hasn't been in the USA for very long so she is still getting used to our " wildlife ". She spent her entire life in Australia and snakes and animals simply do not bother her. She grew up in the Aussie bush with the King Browns and other poisonous snakes not to mention them damn funnel web spiders AUS and learned to live with all of these poisonous creatures.

On the other hand, I am scared s*^$less of them.

I had my buddy remove the water snake from our shed a couple weeks ago. Being a leukemia patient who has little in the way of an immune system, a bite even from a harmless water snake would cause me some major problems. He said they have teeth and will bite and their mouth is loaded with nasty bacteria.

I know that if I am ever bit by a poisonous snake, I am probably history. My body simply does not have the mechanics or stamina and with the chemo regimens I go through to weak to fight off a nasty venomous bite. So maybe thats why I am petrified of them.

Still, I will refuse to kill a snake unless a bite is imminent. They are an important part of our little world and they do a lot of good for us in controlling the population of rodents and other critters.

Chris
 
There is a legal alligator season in Texas. They are caught on what amounts to a drop line. A large hook on a large line is hung over the water such that it takes a big gator to get at it, usually baited with chicken or such. A shot from anything from a .38 to a .30-30 to the brain is all it takes, caliber is up to you. I wouldn't recommend a .22 LR handgun, but if you put the bullet in the right place, it would work.

I've seen large numbers of gators, live in gator country. I've only ever shot one with steel shot from a 12 gauge. I was early teal hunting and he kept swimming over my direction and checkin' out my decoys. The steel bounced off, I suppose, but it must've stung, cause he didn't like it and got the heck outta there. :D
 
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