What caliber is best for a new gun owner?

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This is a subjective question, but what caliber gun is best to gift to a new gun owner. They are 18 years old and have no experience with shooting guns except for a BB rifle. I've always heard it is best to start with a 22 as they are light, inexpensive to shoot, with little to no recoil. They wind up being plinking guns in the future, but I suspect they do fit the bill for many people.

So what caliber do you recommend, and which models do you prefer for a first handgun?
 
I might be more inclined to start them on a .22 rifle to teach basic marksmanship. The kids today probably want autos like they see on nintendo games but for a new handgun shooter, a revolver would be better. A good used S&W model 10 or variant there of in 38 special. It's been in production for over 100 years. It's easy to operate and rugged. If it must be an auto, a used Police trade model 17 is solid and cheap to shoot.
 
.22 rim-fire.

1. Necessary to learn good marksmanship with a rifle, or especially a handgun.

2. Cheap to buy ammo for.

Very few 18 year-olds can afford to feed a center-fire of larger caliber.

I think a Ruger Single-Six convertible is a good choice for a first handgun. I feel it is a safer handgun for a beginner then a semi-auto as you have to cock it for every shot. Beginners have steep learning curve before they always know where a loaded handgun is pointed 100% of the time. A semi-auto is just a finger twitch away from a negligent discharge any time it is loaded.

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.22 for sure. The fundamentals of marksmanship are essential, and will only be acquired through practice, practice, practice. .22 ammunition is by far the cheapest out there, and will continue to be.

Plus, it's easy for a new shooter to learn bad habits (flinching, anticipating recoil, etc) when introduced to a heavier-recoiling firearm at the beginning. Such habits can be tough to break.

So long story short, rifle or pistol, .22 is the way to go IMHO.
 
My first hand gun was a Ruger Single six convertible that I bought for myself while stationed in Germany. It was a good choice for a first hand gun.

.22LR Rifle... probably bolt action for a first.

They may wind up being JUST plinking guns for some,, but there are some very accurate .22 rifles that can shoot tight groups at 50 and 100yards. They can be extremely habit forming.
 
For new shooters just starting out, I have always opted for something in a .22LR; a revolver if I happen to have one at the time, or else a semi-auto like a Ruger Mk.II. A .22LR rifle is equally useful to teach marksmanship with as well. From there, a K frame S&W (.38 or .357), or a full size 9mm. makes for a decent transition to centerfire handguns.
 
.22rifle for all reasons.

It's:
inexpensive for the gun
outright cheap to shoot ($20 for 525 rounds)
surprisingly accurate
low recoil, allowing one to focus on technique.

The only downside is havine 22 brass everywhere. I highly suggest some kind of brass pickup to prevent littering the ground in 22 brass.

Marlin 60 is a great 22 rifle to start with. Tube magazine keeps it simple, it's very accurate out of the box...and has some parts availible for it if you need to modify it (fiber optic sights, upgraded trigger (eliminates creep, slightly reduces pull and provides a wider contact surface), a few different stock options). It's not the options that a Ruger 10/22 get (that thing has hundreds of options), but you can get two Marlin 60s for what a 10/22 seems to cost.
 
I'm gonna go against the grain here and recommend a 357 mag with a 3 or 4 inch barrel. Maybe a GP 100 or a SP101 3 inch. He can plink and learn with 38 special, but he can also try out and use 357's. Your first gun doesn't have to be a 22. My first was a 12 gauge. Why? Because I NEEDED A GUN.
 
New shooter.... new 22 rifle. They can buy all the guns they want later as their interest and experience increases.
 
I agree a 22lr is a very good first handgun. I would vote for a Ruger Mark II or III or Browning Buckmark. Both are very good, reliable, long lasting firearms.

Another option depending on amount you wish to spend is a centerfire handgun with 22lr conversion kit. For under seven hundred you can purchase a Used Glock in good shape and then get an Advantage Arms 22lr conversion. They sell these kits for 1911, Hi Powers and I believe CZ's.
 
For handguns I'd start with the Buckmark, but a Ruger .22/45 would be just fine.

Rifles - there are so many good ones it's hard to narrow the choices down.
 
I also like .22 LR in either case. With a rifle if the person has a friend they can shoot ..22LR with, you could maybe step up to something like an SKS for the first without suffering. With a handgun, it takes a lot more practice to get a basic level of proficiency. I still wish I had been smart enough to buy a .22 handgun backk when I could have afforded it.
 
It seems like a consensus for the most part on the caliber.

What do you all think of a High Standard Victor model?
 
44 Special, 45 Colt, or 45 ACP. Revolver's are the best to begin learning how to shoot well.

308 bolt-action rifle with "Ghost Ring" sight.

For practice only: 22 LR Revolver or bolt-action rifle with "ghost-ring" sight.
 
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Yet another vote for the .22 rimfire. in either rifle or handgun.
and about 10 or 20 bulk boxes of ammo. Time they get through that they should have an idea of how to hit what there shooting at.
Most of the hunters I know who don't shoot a whole lot can still make amazing shots because they have thousands of rounds under their belts as kids. (or young folk)
 
High Standard at one time made the best competition .22 rimfires in the U.S. If I recall correctly, one even won in the Olympics. The problem has been the company has been bought out and resold several times since the sixties. My understanding from gun shop gossip is Hi Standards can be hit or miss. The issues seem to be mostly magazine related so they are fixable. I'm not sure where the current crop stacks up. Last I knew they were being made in Texas and the company had delved into the AR fray.
 
I love my HS Victor. It is extremely accurate and was my first 22 semi-auto handgun years ago. I don't know anything about the current HS offerings in terms of quality.

I don't recommend a handgun as a first gun at 18. If for whatever reason you are thinking "target" pistol, check out the Ruger Mark III or 22/45 with a 5-5.5" bull barrel. I have the Mark II and it essentially replaced my Victor in terms of everyday shooting. I carry the Mark II in the woods and it is very accurate but does not nearly have the trigger of the Victor. I used to carry the Victor in the woods (even have a fitted Bianchi leather holster) and now it is strictly a "range gun" or planned plinking sessions elsewhere.
 
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I am going to against the grain here. I know I will sound like a drudge.

Your 18-year old may be the exception, but I remember how immature I was at 18. I did not need anything that would make it easy for me to misbehave.

My vote would be for a high quality single shot, like the Thompson-Center Encore, in .22 caliber. Most 18-year olds need to have gun SAFETY emphasized to them, not marksmanship. They do not need to be tempted with something they can slip into their pockets and show off to their friends. They do not need something that can empty a banana clip of 20 rounds in a few seconds. Because most 18-year olds will do it if they can. Remember, I am talking about myself many years ago.

The Encore can be upgraded to different calibers, if the young person's interest goes that way. It is a gun to be proud of, even though it is a single shot. I have never owned one, but I admire the concept, and it would have been a good gun for me at age 18.
 
Why do they "need to know how to use a pistol"? You're right about safety, but if you are starting out at 18, I would not choose a handgun of any kind until they get some experience.
 
I first learned on a .22, but the first gun i bought was an Yugo AK M70AB2, 7.62x39.
and my first handgun was a .45 ACP. However, I was in the military before I bought these, so i had some experience beforehand. I would always recommend with just trying a .22, but some people like recoil, so a .22 isn't enough. IMHO, I would have them try out some different guns first before buying it. It's no fun to have a .22LR to go deer hunting.
 
For those who mentioned High Standard having been bought and sold, is there any way to tell by the serial number on the gun when it was made? I'm thinking of buying him a used one, but would have no idea if it was a newer one or an original. The asking price is $400, so I'd like to make sure it is a quality one, otherwise I could just get a less expensive model like the Ruger or others that were recommended.
 
It looks like there's a pretty even number of people on each side of the pistol/rifle dividing line, and I get the impression that you are thinking of the going with a handgun. I love hand guns, but I don't think they are a very good choice for a new shooter. So far, all of the suggestions have been great (which is to be expected on THR) but there is one thing that really stand out in post #1: This is going to be the new shooter's gun, not a gun for the OP to take the new shooter (NS) to the range with, so the NS is going to have to be able to buy ammo and transport the gun on his own. Also, the NS is 18. I'm not sure whats it like in Florida, but around here (WA) you can't buy handgun ammo until you're 21. Some places have refused to sell me .22 ammo because they make handguns chambered in it :fire:
It might be a good idea to include a few bricks of El Cheapo .22 ammo with the gun.

Again, I'm not sure what the Florida laws are regarding the -21 age group and handguns, but I think that the rifle is going to be a safer option from a legal standpoint. It may be legal for him to have a gun in his car if its locked and unloaded, or whatever other restrictions the state places on you, but all it takes is one slip up, one incident of forgetting he had the pistol in his jacket pocket because he wanted to try carrying around the house, and he could lose his 2A rights for a long time. He probably will follow all the rules, but its still possible for a tailgate to be out, and the officer that pulls him over is not as competent as he should be, and the NS is in for a much more interesting outing than he had planned on. We all know that the NS would be in the right, and the charges probably wouldn't stick, and this probably won't happen, but is it worth it? (I'm not suggesting that you should not exercise your 2A rights to the fullest, just that it is not always the smartest thing to do when just starting out. Think of it like situational awareness: just because we can go to the bar that the local paramedics nick named "Stab City" does not mean that we should) Unlike many of the members of this board, the NS will not have the benefit of a CHP or CPL or any other piece of paper that helps prove he is a "Good Guy." Theres also the very real possibility that he will get pulled over just because he is young, and that the LEO's, or anybody else for that matter, will be less understanding due to his age.
IMHO, one of the best guns for a new shooter is a .22 rifle. I think the Ruger 10/22 is a pretty good gun, but so are some of the bolt action rifles on the market. I've heard good things about the Henry lever guns, but have never tried one. I would look into a gun that is not a semi-auto for two reasons; He will get more out of his range sessions because he has the added action of working the action, and people will be less likely to jump to conclusions about the reasons that he bought that type of gun. When I was 16 and getting into shotguns, I had narrowed it down to a Benelli Nova, a Remington 1100 and a Remington 870. The 870 had wood furniture and looked more like a sporting gun, while the other two could best be described as "Evil Black Shotguns." I know its not that big a deal, but to an uneducated observer who wants to stick it to someone that he sees as representative of those "Punk kids that don't stay off my lawn," well, theres a reason why I picked the 870.

If you do go with the handgun, I would recommend staying away from the autoloaders. I don't like guns with a whole lot of controls on them; theres little more embarrassing than standing at the range while people watch you try to figure out how to get the gun out of slide lock (In my defense, it was the first time I had shot a handgun.) If something goes wrong with the auto, it can be intimidating, especially to a NS. Revolvers are fun, and you don't get frustrated trying to load the magazines. There are a lot of aspects of shooting that most of us take for granted, because we have earned our experiance, our knowledge, and our skill level. A NS won't have any of that, and I think that its better to give people the best advantage when they start out, and then let them progress to harder things, instead of letting handing them an AR and saying "Have at it." Revolvers are simple, reliable, don't evoke the gang-banger stereotype that us young people have to deal with, and are pretty fun.

My opinions are just those, opinions. My shooting experience is limited, and most of my post relies on what I have dealt with, or what I have felt anxious about while driving to the range. My opinions on teaching come from one summer teaching archery, another summer teaching a crash course in paddling to people renting kayaks, and a little over two years of teaching kids how to swim. YMMV.

No matter what you choose, I'm sure he will love it.

Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
 
If it was me doing the teaching, then it has to be a .22 rifle. The reason is "muzzle control" is one of the last safety traits mastered, and a nubbie with a pistol is bad news. Especially if you get a student accustomed to talking with their hands.
 
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