what can an m16 do at 1000m

[BeerSleeper]

If someone claims they can hit a quarter at 1000m with a common, military grade m16, is that realistically possible, or a person full of BS?

 

[rikman]

Bs ... Basic physics


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[MachIVshooter]

With enough rounds, it's a statistical inevitability.

With one shot (or 3, or 5, or 10)? Don't think so. I'd be pure luck.

 

[Shadow 7D]

BS

that's 1/10th MOA
1MOA = 1" at 100 yards so...
and that is besides how a .22 round flys at extended distances....

 

[firesky101]

Give me a few thousand rounds and I could probably get It sooner or later.

 

[BeerSleeper]

A fraternity brother of mine from school is claiming this on a facebook.

I argued it couldn't be done, but he got me doubting myself.

He always was a master bull...

 

[BeerSleeper]

I offered to buy him a rifle if he would demonstrate, on the condition he buys me a rifle if he fails.

He would not accept the challenge, but he's still insisting, and is beyond backing down...

Gonna have to drop this one and just move on to the next topic of conversation.

 

[ugaarguy]

The 17 pound max weight "light gun" category NBRSA world record for a single group of 5 shots at 1000 yards is 1.473 inch - http://nbrsa.org/node/65. A US Quarter is .955 inch. There are few rifles and shooters in the world capable of hitting a quarter at 1000 yards.

 

[ZGunner]

With enough rounds, it's a statistical inevitability.

With one shot (or 3, or 5, or 10)? Don't think so. I'd be pure luck.

I agree with this here. It can be done, but there are so many variables to consider when shooting at that distance it wouldn't be due to skill.

 

[firesky101]

If you are buying an m16 for the bet that is an expensive bet. A mil-spec ar is a different matter, still expensive but not new ford focus money.

 

[hogshead]

Considering a bullet drop of around 300 inches and a drift of over a hundred inches with a 10mph crosswind at a thousand yards it would be more luck than skill I would think.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Give him a quarter and two shots, he hits the quarter he keeps the rifle and you get the quarter, he misses, you keep the rifle and he keeps the quarter to practice.

 

[JohnKSa]

There are few rifles and shooters in the world capable of hitting a quarter at 1000 yards.

Yup. Even then they might take several shots--maybe even a lot of shots to connect. Benchrest shooters are shooting for groups, not for a specific spot on the target. It's one thing to send a group of rounds downrange and have them all land close to each other. It's another thing to get one to land exactly where you want on the target.

Hitting a quarter at 1000 meters with an M16 or AR15 or anything that looks even a little bit like one would be pure luck. Bet him $100 for every shot he hits as long as he pays you $1 for every shot he takes and misses.

 

[1911 guy]

Most run of the mill M-16 rifles I handled were somewhere around 1.5 MOA. Some were MOA rifles, a lot of them were 2 MOA rifles. Let's be generous and say he gets handed a true 1 MOA rifle. 1 MOA at 100 yards is 1.047". At 100 meters, that's 1.13425". Multiply that times 10 and 1 MOA at 1,000 yards is 11.3425". ugaarguy says a U.S. quarter is .955". The quarter is .084 MOA. Eliminating ALL variables, it could take up to 12 shots just to hit it by chance. The reality is that it would be nearly impossible. Holding 1 MOA past 300 or 400 yards is much more difficult than holding it at 100 or 200.

 

[Detritus]

If i remember correctly, if the ammo and rifle are of GI spec, at 1K he'd be lucky if the bullet went through a standard target-face point first, or even reached the target at all, much less having a chance to hit anything that small.
Disregarding the factors relating to the requirements shooter-wise of going that long. The .223 round out of ANY rifle is out on the very thinest edge of it's performance out that far. And even then only it requires purpose built rifles shooting custom ammo with 80 and 90gr bullets loaded too long for mag-length, and right at the point where "fast enough" and "proof load" start to overlap.

the AMU gave up on shooting even their purpose built 5.56/.223 ARs at 1K a few years ago (they're the reason M110 clones are now legal for use in High Power at 1,000yrds) seems even with all the support they get as far as being able to get custom built rifles and ammo, and armorers to keep em running they were having trouble with bullets going unstable or even runningout of gas completely, at or short of the 1k mark.

so yeah you're friend is trying to sell a compost heap class pile-o-BS

 

[Driftertank]

Frankly, it would take a damn good shot with match ammo to make a first-round hit on a B-27 silhouette in no-wind conditions using a rack grade A2.

Hitting a quarter at 100 yd with match ammo from a carefully selected service rifle is a feat of marksmanship. Claiming to do the same af 10 times the range is pure, organic, corn-fed, USDA-Choice bull-puckey. Unless of course, he was handed a full-auto M16, a stack of loaded mags, and told to fire until something went metal-to-metal...

With enough lead flying downrange, you can hit anything.

 

[TAKtical]

Im sure if he covered the broad side of a barn with quarters he might hit one of them

 

[Shadow 7D]

The quarter is .084 MOA. Eliminating ALL variables, it could take up to 12 shots just to hit it by chance. The reality is that it would be nearly impossible. Holding 1 MOA past 300 or 400 yards is much more difficult than holding it at 100 or 200.

Sorry, that's WRONG, you are dealing with area, so the difference is EXPONENTIAL, as the area of the quarter is circle of .955", within the 1.5 MOA (at 1000 METERS) So you are doing the difference of AREAS not diameters.

Point is, it will take MANY more shots to get the statistical, and as others stated, I'm not sure when a 5.56 goes subsonic, but once that happens.....

 

[Warp]

He is totally and completely full of it.

 

[lefteyedom]

There is a way to do this..

Take two 4X8 piece of plywood, cover each with quarters glued to the wood. Set the two sheets of plywood side by side forming a 8ft square target. Wait till a claim day and use to best combination of rifle and ammo fire from a stable bench.

Then it is possible to hit "A" quarter at 1000 yards with a M16 rifle

 

[1911 guy]

Quote:
Sorry, that's WRONG, you are dealing with area, so the difference is EXPONENTIAL, as the area of the quarter is circle of .955", within the 1.5 MOA (at 1000 METERS) So you are doing the difference of AREAS not diameters.

Eh. Mea Culpa. You're right. Late at night and my brain is frazzled. I should stick to cartoons after 11:00 p.m.

 

[madcratebuilder]

someone claims they can hit a quarter at 1000m

A quarter what? Quarter sheet of plywood? Possibly.

 

[brnmuenchow]

Hitting a quarter at 1000 meters with an M16 or AR15 or anything that looks even a little bit like one would be pure luck. Bet him $100 for every shot he hits as long as he pays you $1 for every shot he takes and misses.

Great for a new reality TV show "How to become the next Millionaire!"

 

[XxBulletBendeRXx]

Yep.... The BS is waaaay over the knees on this one!!!

 

[taliv]

bet him he can't hit the quarter at 100 yards. you will win

most people can't even SEE a quarter at 100 yards.