What did you see at the gun shop today?

I saw a veeeerrrry clean Browning BPS 12 gauge with a 26” vent rib/invector barrel in the consignment rack at my local gun store. I liked it, so I paid $500 and started the 10-day wait.

When the clerk went in the back for the box and pulled out a second 18” BPS barrel that came with the gun with no additional cost, I was even happier. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
I saw a veeeerrrry clean Browning BPS 12 gauge with a 26” vent rib/invector barrel in the consignment rack at my local gun store. I liked it, so I paid $500 and started the 10-day wait.

When the clerk went in the back for the box and pulled out a second 18” BPS barrel that came with the gun with no additional cost, I was even happier. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
Nice I've been looking for a bps
 
Nice I've been looking for a bps
I like them a lot, so much so I have three others; a 16 ga, 20 ga and a 28 ga. They are a bit heavier than some other pump guns, but I think they look good, are built like tanks and fit me well.

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With the addition of a 12 gauge BPS, I think I will search for a .410 BPS and call the set done. (They also made them in 10 ga, but I have no desire for one of those monsters. :oops: )

Good luck on your search. Once you find what you’re looking for, I think you’ll like it. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
I like them a lot, so much so I have three others; a 16 ga, 20 ga and a 28 ga. They are a bit heavier than some other pump guns, but I think they look good, are built like tanks and fit me well.

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With the addition of a 12 gauge BPS, I think I will search for a .410 BPS and call the set done. (They also made them in 10 ga, but I have no desire for one of those monsters. :oops: )

Good luck on your search. Once you find what you’re looking for, I think you’ll like it. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
Man that 20 or 28 would be a great field gun, I don't see many pumps local much anymore and when I do see a BPS I'm always broke. It's a shame I don't think there making the bps anymore, probably one of the last new made classic pumps made other then the Ithaca 37 but there over a grand for the new ones last I looked.
 
Man that 20 or 28 would be a great field gun, I don't see many pumps local much anymore and when I do see a BPS I'm always broke. It's a shame I don't think there making the bps anymore, probably one of the last new made classic pumps made other then the Ithaca 37 but there over a grand for the new ones last I looked.
Ya, they quit making new BPS a few years back. There are some still around in great shape like this one, somehow it sat in the consignment rack for over a month without anyone nibbling.

I’m sure you’ll bump into one sooner or later and bring it home. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
I like them a lot, so much so I have three others; a 16 ga, 20 ga and a 28 ga. They are a bit heavier than some other pump guns, but I think they look good, are built like tanks and fit me well.

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With the addition of a 12 gauge BPS, I think I will search for a .410 BPS and call the set done. (They also made them in 10 ga, but I have no desire for one of those monsters. :oops: )

Good luck on your search. Once you find what you’re looking for, I think you’ll like it. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
How do those compare to a good ol' Remington 870? I know if I ever win the lottery I'll be getting a carbon fiber dipped Browning semi auto 12ga...
 
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How do those compare to a good ol' Remington 870? I know if I ever win the lottery I'll be getting a carbon fiber dipped Browning semi auto 12ga...
IMHO, and my opinion is based strictly on my three BPS and 31+ years of 870 use at home and on duty, the similarities are:

Both are all-steel. The BPS has a slightly larger receiver and no second cut on the right for the ejection port, so the BPS weighs a few ounces more than a comparable gauge 870. Weight on both sits pretty much between the hands.

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LOP on both this 20 ga Ducks Unlimited 870 and 16 ga BPS Hunter are the same. The BPS has a slightly wider trigger than the 870, which I like. Outside of the wider trigger face, the trigger action on both guns feels similar when I fire.

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Both guns are powered by dual action bars that make the forends pretty stable. Reach to both forends is similar, but the BPS has less forend area to grab on to due to the slightly smaller forend and shell ejection cutout on the bottom. To me its a push, but smaller shooters could possibly hamper ejection of the BPS if the hand or wrist is back over the cutout when racking the gun.

The forend release on the 870 is a little bit easier to use than the BPS release, which is sort of tucked in closer to the receiver.

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To me, the BPS has a bit less forend rattle than an 870. It may be because the magazine tube is a touch larger and shells drop through the cutout in the back of the forend, so maybe the side to side play is less to keep them from being hung up? (Just a guess.) Barrel removal is identical, unscrew the knurled cap on the magazine tube and slide the barrel out of the receiver.

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The sighting plane on the vent rib guns is pretty close, but the BPS rib sits a little taller than the 870 rib. I prefer the look of the 870 profile. I like how the receiver is smooth and blends into the rib while the BPS has a dorsal ridge on the receiver that contours into the taller barrel rib. The newest 870’s are drilled-tapped for a rail or direct-mounting sights. (Bottom are two 20 ga, new Rem Arms 870 on the right.)

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The rib of the 870 has rib risers that are closer together and the rib is thicker and closer to the barrel. In high volume shooting I would think the BPS would keep mirage down a bit more. But I highly doubt I will be shooting in such volume, so for me this is just a cosmetic difference I guess.

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For left handed shooters, the BPS is ready to go right out of the box. The top-mounted safety means no trigger guard mounted safety to play with, no ejecting shells zinging right past your nose, etc. A downfall to the BPS single-port receiver is fast reloads (“Combat loading”) are slower, swapping loads and unloading is a bit more of a hassle, and checking to confirm the chamber is empty is different. In addition, there are scads of factory and aftermarket parts and upgrades available for the zillions of 870’s out there, while the BPS has a much, much more limited selection.

We all know Rem Arms is the latest in the Remington saga, but luckily just about anyone can work on an 870. The BPS is not being made anymore, and should something fail it may be a bit harder to get something fixed.

So, for HD duties, I greatly prefer the 870. In the field, i like the BPS a bit more. YMMV. :D

Stay safe.
 
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The modern Malcolmar CETME L (.223) rifle with a rail. These are Not actual worn Spanish parts, but new production.
They are high quality guns and with the recommended brand of AR mags, consistently are known as enjoyable rifles to shoot.

The trigger is fairly heavy, somewhat like a FAL or HK/PTR. The front post sight is fairly thin (angled towards the tip), and in my opinion a better sight than on a stock AR-15.
There is No gas tube in a "roller-delayed blowback" (simpler design) and the unusual ergos aren't suitable for very pampered gun owners.

The store is in Cordova TN and I have no affiliation with the store. If my gun money were not all being spent on basic .308 ammo for my pair of Nato-era "battle rifles" I otherwise would have bought the local Marcolmar CETME L.

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Don't confuse such designs with "roller-Locked" systems. HKs & PTRs use the basic "roller-Delayed" design. All of you are familiar with the MP5, used by SWAT teams around the world?
Apparently the basic system seems to work quite well or HKs and clones wouldn't be so popular for defending travelers such as in London Heathrow, German Hauptbahnhöfe etc.


The bolts actually begin to move a very tiny bit rearwards before the bullet leaves the barrel-or the gas pressure would decrease to quickly for the full function.
Videos cannot easily depict this.
 
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IMHO, and my opinion is based strictly on my three BPS and 31+ years of 870 use at home and on duty, the similarities are:

Both are all-steel. The BPS has a slightly larger receiver and no second cut on the right for the ejection port, so the BPS weighs a few ounces more than a comparable gauge 870. Weight on both sits pretty much between the hands.

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LOP on both this 20 ga Ducks Unlimited 870 and 16 ga BPS Hunter are the same. The BPS has a slightly wider trigger than the 870, which I like. Outside of the wider trigger face, the trigger action on both guns feels similar when I fire.

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Both guns are powered by dual action bars that make the forends pretty stable. Reach to both forends is similar, but the BPS has less forend area to grab on to due to the slightly smaller forend and shell ejection cutout on the bottom. To me its a push, but smaller shooters could possibly hamper ejection of the BPS if the hand or wrist is back over the cutout when racking the gun.

The forend release on the 870 is a little bit easier to use than the BPS release, which is sort of tucked in closer to the receiver.

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To me, the BPS has a bit less forend rattle than an 870. It may be because the magazine tube is a touch larger and shells drop through the cutout in the back of the forend, so maybe the side to side play is less to keep them from being hung up? (Just a guess.) Barrel removal is identical, unscrew the knurled cap on the magazine tube and slide the barrel out of the receiver.

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The sighting plane on the vent rib guns is pretty close, but the BPS rib sits a little taller than the 870 rib. I prefer the look of the 870 profile. I like how the receiver is smooth and blends into the rib while the BPS has a dorsal ridge on the receiver that contours into the taller barrel rib. The newest 870’s are drilled-tapped for a rail or direct-mounting sights. (Bottom are two 20 ga, new Rem Arms 870 on the right.)

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The rib of the 870 has rib risers that are closer together and the rib is thicker and closer to the barrel. In high volume shooting I would think the BPS would keep mirage down a bit more. But I highly doubt I will be shooting in such volume, so for me this is just a cosmetic difference I guess.

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For left handed shooters, the BPS is ready to go right out of the box. The top-mounted safety means no trigger guard mounted safety to play with, no ejecting shells zinging right past your nose, etc. A downfall to the BPS single-port receiver is fast reloads (“Combat loading”) are slower, swapping loads and unloading is a bit more of a hassle, and checking to confirm the chamber is empty is different. In addition, there are scads of factory and aftermarket parts and upgrades available for the zillions of 870’s out there, while the BPS has a much, much more limited selection.

We all know Rem Arms is the latest in the Remington saga, but luckily just about anyone can work on an 870. The BPS is not being made anymore, and should something fail it may be a bit harder to get something fixed.

So, for HD duties, I greatly prefer the 870. In the field, i like the BPS a bit more. YMMV. :D

Stay safe.
Wow I appreciate the detailed comparison!
 
Are you buying it?? Our cost wholesale is like 1500ish IIRC but they never have any in stock.....
Well it is used, but still seems a great price given the condition. I didn't think to look when at the GS but if that thing has the Hillary Lock--no way. If not, I probably should grab it. The ammo for that is at least $2 a round as I recall, but not like you will use it for plinking. So that is .500 S&W and that is different from .50AE? For me it would just be something to have in hand because it is so cool. I am not likely to be in bear country to need it. Yeah, I better cool it on my spending. That is more than I ever before paid for any gun.
 
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So I dropped back into the gun shop and that used.500 S&W revolver is marked $1200. Yesterday the worker told me $1000. Oh well, wasn't going to buy it anyway and it does have the Hillary Lock.
 
Things happen for a reason. If someone paid too much for a shiny object, that doesn't mean it was worth what they paid. FOMO, or fear of missing out, is a powerful marketing tool that auctions have been using for centuries. Its value to you should be the only thing that counts.
 
Browning 725 Sporting and an original camp Anaconda. Both nice but not interesting. The Model 42 is another thing.
 
GS just got in a consignment H&R Model 999, topbreak, 9-shot .22 LR. The barrel is maybe 6" (did not measure). They want $500 firm and I probably should have bought it. Have been kicking myself for missing same gun (maybe the exact same one) at a different gun shop about 2 years ago. I can't remember back then but seems maybe it was marked $450 at the other gun shop. What to do? I already bought 4 guns this year. Do I need an intervention?
 
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GS just got in a consignment H&R Model 999, topbreak, 9-shot .22 LR. The barrel is maybe 6" (did not measure). They want $500 firm and I probably should have bought it. Have been kicking myself for missing same guy (maybe the exact same one) at a different gun shop about 2 years ago. I can't remember back then but seems maybe it was marked $450 at the other gun shop. What to do? I already bought 4 guns this year. Do I need an intervention?
I have one. My Wife paid $127.50 for it in 1985. How does she remember that? Anyway, an accurate gun, the trigger is good SA, DA not so much. The cylinder gap is a might large so you get quite the BANG!! out of it. Classic gun. A .22 Pistols.jpg
 
GS just got in a consignment H&R Model 999, topbreak, 9-shot .22 LR. The barrel is maybe 6" (did not measure). They want $500 firm and I probably should have bought it.
Great guns, but I'm not sure they are worth that. We should have bought one a few years ago when some first showed back up on the market, kick myself for that.
 
Back to the Gun Shop, My Wife was buying bird seed at the local ACE hardware and I wandered into the gun department. I’m just coming off a bad .45 ACP experience with a Taurus TH 45 and a S&W M&P 2.0 .45 Compact was just looking too good to pass up. I just missed beating her back to the car with the S&W in hand.
 
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