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What do you expect from a state that got an A- from the Brady Bunch?

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13208308/

U.S. cities struggle with increased violence rates
Enforcement unsure how to combat rise in clashes, expects ‘bad’ summer

Updated: 6:57 p.m. ET June 8, 2006
HARTFORD, Conn. - A man who refused to give up his gold and diamond chain. Two teenagers hanging out on a front porch. Four family members in front of their house planning a cookout.

They were among 20 people shot, three fatally, in Connecticut’s capital since May 24 in a surge of seemingly senseless violence that has clergy and state lawmakers calling for a cease-fire and state troopers preparing to walk the beat.

Hartford and some other cities around the country are seeing a disturbing rise in shootings — many of them prompted not by drugs or money, but by petty squabbles and perceived slights. Young people are drawing guns over respect, turf and relationships.

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Much of the bloodshed is attributed to 12- to 16-year-olds “settling beefs, dirty looks and somebody looking at somebody else’s girlfriend,” said Albert DiChiara, director of the University of Hartford’s criminal justice program.

“I’m anticipating a very, very bad summer,” he said.

Helplessness leads to drastic measures
Summer violence is not unusual in Hartford, a city of 125,000 that is a pocket of poverty in the nation’s second-wealthiest state. But residents say this year is different because so many people have been shot in such a short time.

From Jan. 1 to May 27, the most recent figures available, police reported 83 shootings, up 25 percent from the same period last year.

Those killed include Kerry Foster Jr., 15, described as a good kid with perfect school attendance who tried to stay away from the turf wars roiling his neighborhood. He and a 14-year-old friend were hit by shots from a passing car as they stood on Foster’s front porch.

“I’m fretting these numbers because one of these days, it could be coming to your door,” said Sam Saylor, a father of two teenagers. “I’m feeling helpless, and when men feel helpless, they go to drastic measures.”

DiChiara, who is part of a federally-funded project that works to keep the peace in the two Hartford neighborhoods where most of the shootings have occurred, said this year’s violence is the worst since he arrived in the city 16 years ago.

He said the gang wars of the early 1990s were easier to deal with because they involved organized factions that could be reasoned with.

Police unsure how to respond
Across the country, cities have reported recent increases in violence after years of declining national crime rates.

In Little Rock, Ark., there have been 33 homicides so far this year, slightly ahead of the pace of 1993, when gang violence caused a sharp increase. Sgt. Terry Hastings said most of the killings this year were prompted by drugs or soured relationships.

“We can’t figure out why suddenly you’re talking and then you start shooting,” he said. “How, as a law enforcement agency, do you deal with that?”

Philadelphia’s homicide toll is running about even with last year’s count, when a total of 380 people were killed, the most since 1997. In San Francisco, the number of killings is running at a 10-year high. And in Jacksonville, Fla., there have been at least 64 homicides this year, compared with 36 this time last year.

In Hartford, where clergy and lawmakers have asked for a 60-day cease-fire, the plan is to create teams of adults to visit high schools and teen centers to talk with young people and their families. Teams of mental health workers will also be sent out into the community to talk about anger management and available mental health services.

“We’re here to listen to you. This is not the police coming,” said state Rep. Kenneth Green of Hartford. “We want to begin to engage you in how to solve this problem.”

‘I’m scared to death’
For the fourth summer in a row, uniformed state troopers and plainclothes officers will be dispatched to help city police patrol neighborhoods. Federal agents will also help out.

Despite the increased police presence, many parents are keeping their children inside.

Saylor said he is willing to submit to random traffic stops by police or other measures that could help stop the gunfire.

“I’m willing to give up some civil liberties if it means saving one kid’s life,” he said last week. “There’s a sense of a complete absence of law right now, and I’m not ashamed to say I’m scared to death.”
 
“I’m willing to give up some civil liberties if it means saving one kid’s life,”
Get out of my country, you don't deserve to live here. Stand up for yourself - YOU have the obligation to defend yourself, no one else. Chicken hearted, lily livered, ah, I am so glad I live in a Free state!
 
“I’m willing to give up some civil liberties if it means saving one kid’s life,” he said last week. “There’s a sense of a complete absence of law right now, and I’m not ashamed to say I’m scared to death.”

:barf: :fire: :cuss: :banghead:

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http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndfqu.html

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
---Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

Get out of my country, you don't deserve to live here. Stand up for yourself - YOU have the obligation to defend yourself, no one else. Chicken hearted, lily livered, ah, I am so glad I live in a Free state!

+1000!!!!
 
In Hartford, where clergy and lawmakers have asked for a 60-day cease-fire, the plan is to create teams of adults to visit high schools and teen centers to talk with young people and their families. Teams of mental health workers will also be sent out into the community to talk about anger management and available mental health services.

AHAHAHA!!! :D You idiots think that will stop them? They are acting the way they are because of the nanny system, not in spite of it.

“We’re here to listen to you. This is not the police coming,” said state Rep. Kenneth Green of Hartford. “We want to begin to engage you in how to solve this problem.”

They don't care. They like their solution better than your idle chit-chat, which has never helped anyone in any situation. Their solution doesn't help either, but it makes them feel better. Isn't that what leftist nannies have always stressed as important: feelings? They're doing what you taught them to do.

Saylor said he is willing to submit to random traffic stops by police or other measures that could help stop the gunfire.

Why? Is he the one doing all the shooting, from his car?

“I’m willing to give up some civil liberties if it means saving one kid’s life,” he said last week. “There’s a sense of a complete absence of law right now, and I’m not ashamed to say I’m scared to death.”

Awww...poor little guy. Well, you go right ahead and give up your civil liberties. Mine, however, will stay in my possession--even if 100,000,000 people die. After all, I'm not killing them. Why should I suffer?
 
Hmph.
Mental health workers? Anger management?
Can't you just tell them they are being foolish, idiotic, and stupid? You know, knock some sense into them.
Well, I guess they would cop an attitude and say not to disrespect them.
Some people just need a HARD hand. Which they should've gotten early on in life.
 
There's only one place for someone who will kill for a trinket: six feet under. No amount of coddling will help them; the 99% of humanity who would never do that deserve to be rid of these animals.

And we have the right to do it ourselves, if our lives are threatened.

BTW, 12-16 year olds do not have the right to assemble at all, and none of us has the right to assemble if it's not peaceably. I have no problem WHATSOEVER with little gangbangers having their "civil liberties" violated, at least as long as they can't be tried and executed as adults. You can't have it both ways, and call it justice.
 
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Connecticut resident checking in here. I watch the news reports on Hartford and New Haven everyday on the news. I cannot believe how violent it has gotten in those areas. I do consider these stats on violence as somewhat of a microcosm of what is beginning to happen on some scale in a lot of places. By that I mean so-called "social order" is unravelling. I Would rather take my chances and be armed and fight to the death than give up my personal freedoms.. BTW these people who say they would give up there freedoms are the same ones who complain about a police state and police harassment when they do try to solve it!!!
 
I Would rather take my chances and be armed and fight to the death than give up my personal freedoms.. BTW these people who say they would give up there freedoms are the same ones who complain about a police state and police harassment when they do try to solve it!!!

Exactly.

But I have no problem with a "police state" that keeps violent, sociopathic pre-teens off the streets. Some communities have found that enforcing truancy laws leads (surprise) to a drop in crime.
 
Teams of mental health workers will also be sent out into the community to talk about anger management and available mental health services.

“We’re here to listen to you. This is not the police coming,”

I'm a Mental Health Worker, and I think this is a stupid idea that will spend lots of tax $, make the politicians and the blissninnies feel good, and accomplish exactly nothing.
 
In Hartford, where clergy and lawmakers have asked for a 60-day cease-fire
Sounds more like "Just stop shooting each other for the Summer."
Why only 60 days???


Anyhow, the State Troopers should have been there months ago, as the Governor originally offered. I have noticed, based on news reports, that violence tends to drop once the Staties go in.
 
“I’m willing to give up some civil liberties if it means saving one kid’s life,” he said last week.

Perhaps someone should inform him that this is the very reason he is in the situation that he is now finding himself. Giving up more will not solve the problem.
 
many many moons ago I lived in Hartford , in the south end. (mostly Puerto Rican at the time). My 15 year old self and girlfriend had a small room in a roach infested apt. A some what rough place even then. Got mugged for the first time in Hartford.
 
Yep, CT is getting pretty rough in some areas. New London, Hartford, and of course New Haven have had their share of shootings in the last year. It is just a matter of time before it spills into the "bedroom" communities and smaller towns. Norwich (not too far from home) has seen gang graffiti. romma, you said it, I'd rather be armed with a chance than a sitting duck (sheep). Current dogma is there is a turf war on the northside of Hartford. I doubt, six state LEO's are going to have a huge impact. If we could get the Hartford mayor and governor to quit arguing, something might get done. I doubt it, but their war of words sets a fine example for the pistol toting youths. While they argue, we can shoot up the neighborhood.:rolleyes:
 
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