What does it mean to say a gun has "soul"?

Saying a car, or gun, or other piece of equipment "has soul" is usually a polite way of saying that it's an old design that requires constant work and maintenance to keep running compared to a newer design, and that it isn't as good as something newer, but the owner likes it anyway.
 
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The jury may still be out on soul or no soul for guns, but before someone asks, NO gun, nor any other inanimate object is "sexy." That's just a law of the universe, so don't. ;)
 
I would never apply that term to a firearm, or even to a favorite saddle or carving knife.

Can a firearm evoke emotion? I suppose so--the Mayflower gun, or Booth's Deringer, or TR's Model 1895 Winchester--but I would not attribute that to "soul".

But perhaps that meaning has been creeping into the lexicon. Look up the definition of "epic"--is that a good word for a steak? Look up "icon"-- can Carol Burnett be properly described as "iconic".

to me, it's just a misuse of terms.
 
I've been watching this thread since the beginning.
You can call it 'soul's or 'character' or whatever....but I do think that a gun's history can make it more (or less) desirable or unique than another of the same model.
My dad's uncle picked up a German Luger during his tour of France in WW2. He said he slept many a night with it in his hand. He brought it home with him along with several medals.
I think that gun has soul.
 
It's hard for me to put it to words
It would be kinda like having your great great, etc... Granddad's framing hammer that he built his house with. Obviously the Hammer is not a living and breathing entity, but you hold it and think about the man that held it before you, and what its seen and done.
Well, it might have been "hard" for you, v8stang289, but you managed to make a pretty good stab at it. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
To me it is a term to describe some thing that's just a little unique , has that little wow factor . Whether it's the grain and lines of the stock , the detail and deepness of the metal finish , or especially the way it feels in your hands . One that sticks out even among others of it's own make and model . One you could immediately pick out of a stack of a hundred others . A rifle you would pick for shooting moving targets with. A rifle that's just a little more comfortable to carry then others . Of course we are all different individuals , so what that is is different to each of us .

I don't see it as a Spiritual thing , and for the most part I wouldn't describe anything man made as having that kind of a " soul" . However I have a brother who spent most of 4 years in the navy at sea aboard the USS Long Beach , and I've never heard a navy man Not refer to their ship as "her" . And I'm sure that most of them believe that those "man made objects" most certainly posses souls .
 
this is a kia soul...for example.
A vehicle that always reminds me of the adage about "If you have to go around telling people you're a King, you aren't actually."

With firearms this is sore complicated, as five pages of comments can well attest. And, like as not, we'll never get a majority to concur on even a definition, let alone definitive contenders.
 
NO gun, nor any other inanimate object is "sexy."
Never got the opportunity to shoot the M134, eh?

Y'all take the slang stuff too seriously. Sexy is just a word when something has great lines, looks sleek and super-cool. We use it for guns, cars, aircraft, boats... It does not mean we're sexually attracted to these objects.

Do those that object to use of the word "soul" (or even "sexy") with regard to guns (or cars, whatever) never use any slang? Do you only understand what you read or hear in the literal sense? Do you never speak in figurative terms?

Some of you must be no fun at parties...
 
If nothing else the thread has illustrated the need to be more specific than simply, "That [insert gun model/descriptor here] has soul." or "That [insert gun model/descriptor here] has no soul."

You may say the phase without more details a larger portion of your readers are going to take away a meaning other than what you meant.
 
I told my philosophy major daughter (who likes guns) about this conversation and asked what she thought. On reflection, she said no inanimate object has “a” soul, so the concept of “having soul” is a projection, attributing to the object the emotional or affective response it elicits from the viewer. This is why we disagree on whether a particular specimen “has soul” or not. It elicits a response from some but not others.

I thought that made sense. Once again she makes her dad proud.
 
I told my philosophy major daughter (who likes guns) about this conversation and asked what she thought. On reflection, she said no inanimate object has “a” soul, so the concept of “having soul” is a projection, attributing to the object the emotional or affective response it elicits from the viewer. This is why we disagree on whether a particular specimen “has soul” or not. It elicits a response from some but not others.

I thought that made sense. Once again she makes her dad proud.

I think she’s onto something (many other posters here are too, for that matter.) “A” soul clearly indicates the gun is human, or at least alive. But “soul” without the article is a slang term, a descriptor for things that give us a (positive) emotional feeling. “That music’s got soul!” “That singer’s got soul,” “that car may be an unreliable POS but I tell you, when it’s running right, it’s got soul!” “Character” is much the same. And usually these terms make their appearance when someone with a more analytical, engineering bent comes along and asks why people still use X, when Y is clearly superior for a host of practical reasons.

This is a gun forum but I have seen this debate, almost identically, played out on motorcycle and car forums too. Usually it’s guys riding technically superior Japanese or German motorcycles who make a point that as far as they’re concerned, no bike has or should have soul, because it’s all about technical features or abilities, and Harley/Italian bike riders (or riders of any older or older-tech bikes) who defend their objectively-inferior steeds by pointing out that they have character, soul, or what have you.

I say objectively-inferior but these are the types of bikes I gravitate toward and the same is true for guns… so although I really believe that the machines that have “soul” are usually not as refined as alternatives, I also think those who dismiss them are possibly missing something that might make their using experience richer. But of course we’re all human and have our own preferences. I am actually an engineer myself, but tend to “see both sides,” as I come at guns from a standpoint of history and tradition first, so I’m willing to put up with certain things to have a gun that looks and acts more like the guns of my forebearers. On the other hand if I was making a living as a 21st century meat hunter, I’d want the most efficient tool for the job, at the lowest cost. Aesthetics or traditional feel notwithstanding.
 
On reflection, she said no inanimate object has “a” soul, so the concept of “having soul” is a projection, attributing to the object the emotional or affective response it elicits from the viewer.
Once again, that's not the point. We're not discussing philosophy (which, by the way, was one of my minors in college). The cool thing about language is that every word does not have only one meaning or usage. There's these things called synonyms. Did you miss this?
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This thread has made me realize that I absolutely must start noting in my posts that the subject gun either has soul or has no soul. Further, I shall strive to note what firearms I believe are truly sexy whenever the opportunity presents.

Some of these posts almost made me check to verify that I hadn't signed into GlockTalk, where the fanbois don't acknowledge "soul" because they (1) don't understand it and (2) know that their preferred handguns don't have it..
 
Never got the opportunity to shoot the M134, eh?

Y'all take the slang stuff too seriously. Sexy is just a word when something has great lines, looks sleek and super-cool. We use it for guns, cars, aircraft, boats... It does not mean we're sexually attracted to these objects.

Do those that object to use of the word "soul" (or even "sexy") with regard to guns (or cars, whatever) never use any slang? Do you only understand what you read or hear in the literal sense? Do you never speak in figurative terms?

Some of you must be no fun at parties...
Sorry, the only thing in the universe that is sexy is a woman. Some of you must be.... nevermind. ;)
 
Once again, that's not the point. We're not discussing philosophy (which, by the way, was one of my minors in college). The cool thing about language is that every word does not have only one meaning or usage. There's these things called synonyms. Did you miss this?
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No, didn’t miss this. But any discussion of words and their meaning is to some degree a discussion of philosophy or underlying belief system. Those who suggest guns have soul in a meaningful way have a different set of presuppositions than many of us. If it’s just a figure of speech, any of us can poke at it. Over and out.
 
I dunno, maybe the M-60 and M-16 I used in Nam. The Winchester 74 22LR that was my dad's, the first gun I ever shot on the farm and I still have.
 
OP, five pages and you still ain't gettin' it...
Old dog, in general you post good stuff. But with this thread I think you are not getting it. you are wasting a lot of energy and time with a whole lot of nuance and semantics. This was just an interesting philosophical discussion and thread. I think you are getting a little snarky and using too many quips. Peace.
 
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