I do believe DOD stands for Department of Defense of the United States of America that is responsible for procurement of weapons used by our armed forces. The fact remains that they did buy 5000 and the Sig Pro 2022 is a great gun for the money in my opinion. Thank you for your warm welcome to the forum.
What does the Sig 2022 do well?
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You misunderstand. DoD civilians are federal employees, not US Military personnel. The SP2022 was procured by TACOM for DoD civilian LE, and such procurements are not subject to the same T&E requirements as small arms that are issued to US Military personnel.
I never said the SP2022 was a bad pistol. I just pointed out that the 5000 purchased by TACOM were a COTS procurement for DoD civilians, and not subject to any of the T&E requirements that military issue pistols are subject to.
The trials and selection of the SP2022 (and subsequent 250,000 pistol purchase) by the French Police Nationale and Gendarmerie Nationale is a far more significant testimony to the SP2022's quality. The Portuguese PSP and GNR selecting the SP2022 is also quite significant.
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agent109 said:
You are perceiving an attack where there isn't one. Everyone here has made posts at some point. Post number has nothing to do with knowledge, at least in my opinion. My point is the VAST majority of handguns used by real military personnel are Beretta M9s and the rare M11. The P2022 is a great pistol and I may get one for myself. However, a limited number used by civilian contractors purchased by a Department that is more concerned about budget than quality.
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You were misinformed.
A simple glance at the exploded diagrams of the two pistols will show that the parts and placement are different. They are similar (SA/DA with decocking will lead to that) but quite different.
FWIW, I actually like my 2022's trigger better then a P series. Better DA pull. I think Sig improved it.
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agent109 said:
The DoD's purchase of a weapon does not necessarily mean the weapon will be used by our armed forces. The DoD also purchased Russian Mi-17 helicopters for the Afghan military, but most assuredly not for use by our armed forces.
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agent109 said:
It shows that just because the DoD buys something doesn't mean it is going to be used by Americans, military or civilian.
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I am biased against plastic guns and won't consider it based off of that criterion. Its more available and cheaper than the P22x series, sure.. but it's plastic. Automatic disqualification :-|
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Neat thread. I hope we hear from wild cat soon on his thoughts.
Had one a while back. Awesome trigger. Excellent price. Very reliable. Thick for CC. Mags are on the expensive end of the scale.
Had about 900 rounds through it when I sold it to a friend who put ~900 or so rounds through it and so far not one single FTF/FTE. We're talking the cheapest ammo available.
Had one a while back. Awesome trigger. Excellent price. Very reliable. Thick for CC. Mags are on the expensive end of the scale.
Had about 900 rounds through it when I sold it to a friend who put ~900 or so rounds through it and so far not one single FTF/FTE. We're talking the cheapest ammo available.
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Ask and you shall receive. I'm back 
I put it on hold. The more I read, the less I feel confident that those singing praise are getting past the "value" of the Sig 2022 or that they have loads of trigger time with guns that are only $100 dollars more.
I don't think it is a value at all unless you snag it in the 400 dollar range with nights and two mags. If you aren't searching through gunwatcher or whatever, this gun is actually not that great of a deal.
I am still looking out for one, noticed one place does have the night sights and two mag deal...but the HK deal coming up is tempting me towards a P30L.
I put it on hold. The more I read, the less I feel confident that those singing praise are getting past the "value" of the Sig 2022 or that they have loads of trigger time with guns that are only $100 dollars more.
I don't think it is a value at all unless you snag it in the 400 dollar range with nights and two mags. If you aren't searching through gunwatcher or whatever, this gun is actually not that great of a deal.
I am still looking out for one, noticed one place does have the night sights and two mag deal...but the HK deal coming up is tempting me towards a P30L.
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I recently picked up a like new DET model with nite sites for 429$ and two mags . I've only run two hundred rounds through it . I like the trigger and find it easy to shoot accuracy is good but not exceptional ,no failures of any kind .I use it as my house gun and bolted on a light for night duty .
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I have a .40cal sp2022. I would give it a rating of 6 out of 10. I couldnt shoot a full mag without the slide jamming back about 3/4" after firing.
I would have to bang it against a metal edge to get the slide to release. when stuck, the fired brass was visible and not stuck in any way.
I sent it back to Sig and they did as super job of quick turnaround and replaced the barrel and slide.
No problem since, but it is relegated to minimal use at the home.
be safe.
I would have to bang it against a metal edge to get the slide to release. when stuck, the fired brass was visible and not stuck in any way.
I sent it back to Sig and they did as super job of quick turnaround and replaced the barrel and slide.
No problem since, but it is relegated to minimal use at the home.
be safe.
WOW! Sounds like it took a licking and stop ticking for you until you gave it another licking. Glad Sig was able to get it running again for you. I must have about 6,000 rounds through my .40 S&W SIg Pro 2022 and just about everyone has borrowed it to plink around with. Never had any sort of malfunctions My kid shoots the snot out of my 9x19 Sig Pro.
I must have about 6,000 rounds through my .40 S&W SIg Pro 2022 and just about everyone has borrowed it to plink around with. Never had any sort of malfunctions My kid shoots the snot out of my 9x19 Sig Pro.
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Ask and you shall receive. I'm back
I put it on hold. The more I read, the less I feel confident that those singing praise are getting past the "value" of the Sig 2022 or that they have loads of trigger time with guns that are only $100 dollars more.
Funny you should say that. I think I have enough trigger time with guns "that are only $100 more" to know what I speak of. Price wasn't the only consideration for me but it does matter. Want a cheap gun get a SCCY. Want a cheap gun that works get the 2022. Want a cheap gun that might work get a glock.
The "value" is that they work. Can't say that (from first hand experience with glock or S&W). I prefer glock but that wasn't the question. I've seen every single gun fail but the 2022. If you get night sights (over rated) or two mags (they ship that way) then good on you. 4 bills? Even better.
Yeah...he kinda missed the boat on that one, eh?
My SP2022s (I now own 3) are some of the most inexpensive guns I own, but are also one of my favorites.
Only downside I can see is it may be a little on the large side to easily conceal (in warmer weather), but other than that, they're all good.
One of the nicest triggers around, no FTF / FTEs, holds a lot of rounds, comes with night sights - the price was just icing on the cake!
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I'm just about to get my SP2022. I snagged it for $399, stainless slide, with night sights. One of my favorite pistols I own is my Beretta PX4, which can on occasion be found in the $450 range, and has given me six and a half flawless years and well over 6,000 flawless rounds of .40 S&W. I'm interested to run the SP2022 hard and see if it also fits that niche of guns that don't break the bank but also run very well.
Honestly, I didn't buy the SP2022 because it's cheap, I bought it because I like it. I'm single, young, and nearly debt-free with a good job. If I wanted to drop $800-900 on a P-series Sig or an HK I would (and plan to, in fact!). That said, I like the SP2022 on merit, entirely aside from price. Like the Glock 19, it seems a remarkably balanced gun (though less suitable for carry than the 19). It seems well-built, and well-proportioned. Nothing on it seems to feel cheap, flimsy, or compromised. Polymer doesn't bother me, I like many polymer framed guns as much or more than steel or aluminum framed ones. I also love a hammer-fired gun, preferring them to striker-fired. Striker triggers have always been a problem for me. I find even a PPQ trigger distasteful compared to a good DA/SA trigger. Good DA/SA triggers just feel more...solid...positive. That's just my subjective opinion. I don't mind a lick that my Beretta 92 has a heavy first pull, because every part of that pull is perfectly predictable.
Most importantly for me, it has a reputation for diehard reliability, which is the one trait I refuse to settle on. A gun must be extremely reliable to be worth my time. I'm talking 99%+ reliable. Ever single handgun I own has met that standard except for one single failure to feed with my LCP in 1200 rounds. I certainly expect other handguns to meet that standard too. I haven't had my P6 long enough for it to meet that standard, but since it wasn't designed for hollowpoints and I bought it more as a curio piece than a serious defense piece, I don't much care about its reliability. I don't reload or use steel-case or aluminum-case ammo, so I believe flawless or near-flawless function in a firearm meant for self-defense or home defense is a reasonable expectation using brass-cased, factory-loaded ammo.
In sum, the SP2022 seems to be a balanced, well-thought, well-engineered, reliable gun. I'd have been interested at the M&P/Glock price point. It has never felt like a "budget" gun to me. The Stoeger Cougar is similar in that way. The pedigree of the design and engineering is beyond what you're paying.
I will be painstakingly tracking my first thousand or two rounds through the SP2022. Brands, bullet weight, cleanliness/lubricity condition of the gun. I will be using 147-grain standard-pressure Federal HST or 124-grain +p Speer Gold Dot as the HD/SD load, depending which I can find decent quantities of first. It will be interesting to see if the gun meets my expectations. I will post my results somewhere down the line.
Honestly, I didn't buy the SP2022 because it's cheap, I bought it because I like it. I'm single, young, and nearly debt-free with a good job. If I wanted to drop $800-900 on a P-series Sig or an HK I would (and plan to, in fact!). That said, I like the SP2022 on merit, entirely aside from price. Like the Glock 19, it seems a remarkably balanced gun (though less suitable for carry than the 19). It seems well-built, and well-proportioned. Nothing on it seems to feel cheap, flimsy, or compromised. Polymer doesn't bother me, I like many polymer framed guns as much or more than steel or aluminum framed ones. I also love a hammer-fired gun, preferring them to striker-fired. Striker triggers have always been a problem for me. I find even a PPQ trigger distasteful compared to a good DA/SA trigger. Good DA/SA triggers just feel more...solid...positive. That's just my subjective opinion. I don't mind a lick that my Beretta 92 has a heavy first pull, because every part of that pull is perfectly predictable.
Most importantly for me, it has a reputation for diehard reliability, which is the one trait I refuse to settle on. A gun must be extremely reliable to be worth my time. I'm talking 99%+ reliable. Ever single handgun I own has met that standard except for one single failure to feed with my LCP in 1200 rounds. I certainly expect other handguns to meet that standard too. I haven't had my P6 long enough for it to meet that standard, but since it wasn't designed for hollowpoints and I bought it more as a curio piece than a serious defense piece, I don't much care about its reliability. I don't reload or use steel-case or aluminum-case ammo, so I believe flawless or near-flawless function in a firearm meant for self-defense or home defense is a reasonable expectation using brass-cased, factory-loaded ammo.
In sum, the SP2022 seems to be a balanced, well-thought, well-engineered, reliable gun. I'd have been interested at the M&P/Glock price point. It has never felt like a "budget" gun to me. The Stoeger Cougar is similar in that way. The pedigree of the design and engineering is beyond what you're paying.
I will be painstakingly tracking my first thousand or two rounds through the SP2022. Brands, bullet weight, cleanliness/lubricity condition of the gun. I will be using 147-grain standard-pressure Federal HST or 124-grain +p Speer Gold Dot as the HD/SD load, depending which I can find decent quantities of first. It will be interesting to see if the gun meets my expectations. I will post my results somewhere down the line.
The only shortcoming of the Sig Pro 2022 is accessories, holsters and the guns thickness for conceal carry. I found that leather holsters designed for the Sig 250 and the Springfield XD series will fit close enough to accommodate a secure carry. This is not a gun you are going to be comfortable with inside the waistband nor will you conceal it under a T shirt easily. Holsters for the 228/229 do not seem to fit it well with the front rail.
Andrews Leather made me an IWB for my 2022. So at least one good holster maker has the right form. No need to settle for a "close enough" fit. He's a super nice guy, that does great work.
I have a bunch of rounds through pistols ranging from hundreds more to thousands more. The 2022 is a steal if you like DA/SA hammer fired pistols. It shoots with a P226 and P30, and better then my USP. WAY better then my M9. If you don't like polymer, or DA/SA hammer fired it's less of a value.
I have a bunch of rounds through pistols ranging from hundreds more to thousands more. The 2022 is a steal if you like DA/SA hammer fired pistols. It shoots with a P226 and P30, and better then my USP. WAY better then my M9. If you don't like polymer, or DA/SA hammer fired it's less of a value.
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What my 2022 did better than other 9mms I've owned is to require NO sight adjustment out of the box to hit dead center azimuth wise.
Very refreshing. I've gotten used to the fact that I'm going to have to break out the brass drifts when sighting in a new pistol, so that was a pleasant surprise.
Very refreshing. I've gotten used to the fact that I'm going to have to break out the brass drifts when sighting in a new pistol, so that was a pleasant surprise.
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