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What guns should I buy as investments?

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My only concern about ammo is what happens if the war in Iraq ends and that frees up the international ammo market that is now being consumed there?

Then again, what happens if there is a simple ban on imported ammo? That would drive up the price of most all metric ammo (7.62x39, etc.)

Lots of variables.......
 
There are, as it seems, as many opinions as there are people to hold them about this topic, and any similar topic. I have found myself asking the same question among others; especially recently. I am a regular person with a regular job and plenty of dept. i know, typical "loser" american right? Anyway, I have only ever owned one or two "cheap" guns for plinking and basic home defense. Within the past six months, I have spent over three thousand dollars on tactical weapons and ammunition. I know that is not a lot, but for me it is a huge investment, or at least a great start. After carefully researching and asking those with knowledge and experience, I concluded that, as far as investment is concerned, popularity and availability are two of the most important factors for this kind of investment.

An "investment" can be looked at in more than one way. The obvious is the hope for an increase in value for the purpose of re-sale, or trade. I was also, however, enlightened to consider the infamous "SHTF" scenario. So, depending on how you look at it, this sort of investment may have a two-fold purpose.

Okay so more to the point. The most common small arms calibers used in our police and military is 12g, .40S&W, 9mm, .308 or 7.62x51, .223 or 5.56, and maybe even 7.62x39. As it was suggested to me by many, "think about it". In a "SHTF" scenario, these are the ammunitions that will be most readily available for obvious reasons. Everyone will be using them almost predominantly. So the next thing is, which guns to buy for these calibers? Among the top choices are any make/model of AR-15 or derivative including DPMS, Colt, Bushmaster, RockRiver, Smith & Wesson. Glock is a very reliable, cost effective manufacturer that is extremely popular in our law enforcement. Savage makes great high power rifles, and Mossberg is one of the top sellers for a 12g shotgun, particularly the 500 series. In fact the military prefers Mossberg over Remington in this area; I was amazed. Romanian AK's are a great choice for cost effective, accurate/reliable assault weapons.

The most expensive of all these weapons is obviously the AR's, with which you cannot go wrong. all of the other weapons can be purchased for under $500, most of the time well under that figure if you know where to get em. I have even found that older military surplus rifles, such as enfields in .308 or the SKS in 7.62x39 are a great pick for those calibers, and can be purchased for well under 200.00. Surplus ammunition for these guns can be purchased at a huge fraction from that of "recent make" factory ammunitions, and the ammo functions flawlessly.

Quantity is still a question to me. I really didnt buy guns/ammo for the intent to re-sell or trade, but for defense and "just in case", if you know what I mean. I don't have a rack full of any particular model, for example 15 DPMS AR's or something silly like that. But I do have a variety in different calibers. If I had 25-30k extra to spend on an arsenal, I would spend about half of it for such a purpose. Maybe 4 each: AR-15's, Glocks, Mossberg 12g, Savage 308's, and a stockpile of about 2-3k rounds for each caliber. And dont forget the kevlar, gas masks, food, water, and survival gear :)

*guns don't kill people; people kill people.
 
I bought a limited edition Benjamin/Sheriden 392LE pump pellet gun from Crossman. Only 500 made. It is still NIB. Does that count as an investment?:D Personally, I will be keeping it and maybe my grandchildren will be showing it on Antique Roadshow.

I've heard of some speculators that are popping up on the gun forums and asking what guns they could profit from because of the economic and political situation we are in. Well I hope they get their butts burned. Things will settle down and people will come back to earth and the firearms market will be back to normal. And all those guys that are hoarding brand new Colt LE6920 carbines, stripped AR-15 lowers, ammo, and whatever else to make a quick buck will lose their behinds.
 
I'm not sure right at this moment in time with the inflated prices that any of them are an "investment."

Even when times are good, and with the "old politics as usual" I've found that guns hold their value, however I have never really made what one would call GOOD money selling one, even though it looked brand new (as most of my guns do).
 
Knowing what guns are going for and buying bargains is always a good idea. Browning Superposed, Browning High Powers(Belgium) Winchester Model 21, Model 101, Model 12, Pre 64 Model 70, Parker, LC Smith, Fox Shotguns, Lugers, Sig P210, Walther P88, P5 Compact, Hk P7M8, P9S, Elite pistols, old Colt and Smith and Wesson Revolvers, 1911's, etc. might be good investments and are pleasure to own.

I started a reply similar to this but decided to add to it. You might add the LeFever shotguns, as well as some of the classic British and European double guns, both shotguns and rifles. I have a couple of French sliding breech doubles, a Darne and a less common Charlin that should do quite well considering their condition expecially the smaller, 28ga Darne.

Many of the Mil Surps are doing quite well. The Swiss k-31's were going for about $70 threee years ago , now go for $250 and up, Swedish Mausers are doing about the same, I paid less than 70 for one about 15 years ago, now going for mid 450's. Springfields, Krags , M-1 Garands and carbines also are appreciating well. Bayonets are becoming collectiable, espicially in Europe where they are easier to collect than the firearms they were mounted on, due to more restrictive gun laws.
 
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Or maybe not. Do you remember what "pre-ban" magazines went for 6 or 7 years ago? I think I recall "pre-ban" AR 15 mags going for $75. How much are they going for today?

Mike

Are they going for any less than they were in 1992-1993? 7 years ago the ban was in effect so the prices were up, ergo that was a bad time to invest. Right now (ie. not panic buying prices but regular 2008 prices) is a good time to invest in mags as they are at their 'low' cycle. They aren't going down much from here. Waiting until another AWB is passed is a bad time to invest in them.
 
I think any good quality gun will hold it's value, some will go up more than others, but I think a better investment right now would be a Life Membership in the NRA. There's going to be some tough fights ahead, and the bigger their war chest the better.
Steve
 
I think any good quality gun will hold it's value, some will go up more than others, but I think a better investment right now would be a Life Membership in the NRA. There's going to be some tough fights ahead, and the bigger their war chest the better.
Steve

I could not agree more, I just upgraded to a patron membership.

The last few years I have been playing with Swiss rifles. The K-31's have gone up about 3.5x in a little over 3 years. Swedes are also going up. Whatever you do , buy quality for investement purposes.
 
guns, bullets, beans, and booze are great investments in times like these.

I am well vested in all but booze and beans... but trying to remedy that soon.
 
.50bmg rifle - FN5.7 pistol - Thompson .45acp - .500S&W mag and .460S&Wmag revolver - any .30cal. heavy barreled varmint rifle - AR15 rifle and all the ammo you can find and afford.
 
Gun related investments

I see its an old post, it pops up in search, thought I'd update, may be in the wrong spot, take it or leave it.

Some stocks related to firearms. Use your fave screener.

I think we can assume they are pro gun corporations in support of our 2nd.

Current status of some :banghead:

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If you find more, list them for everyone.
 
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The OP was about what guns would be good to buy as investments - not what gun companies have stock that's worth buyin'. ;)
 
Gotta love Zombie threads, though. :)

It would be interesting to calculate folks' response to the OP's question and then actually determine which of the recommended guns went up in value to a degree that would have made them good candidates for investment purposes. As a general rule, however, you'd have to wait longer than a year to see a substantial increase on your investment, I would think -- unless, of course, the circumstances were extraordinary.
 
Buy what you want, enjoy using, and would regret not having later on. Never sell it. Assume it is worth zero. If you do that then you will never be disappointed. I know it's kind of a trite answer. What you like is often very individual. I have some friends who really like a certain thing and they own lots of them. It's fine for them because they really enjoy it. For me, it's something else, etc.

Having said that, buying used will help minimize loosing money if you sell it later on. Vintage items such as cowboy, WW I/II items likely will go up over time. A good place to look is online at Cabela's for their used guns. Ones that are "expensive" are likley to stay expensive over time. I'd imagine semi auto rifles and semiauto shotguns would be the ones most at risk. I don't think they will be able to ban semi-auto pistols as there would be too much public uproar. If anything were to happen, I would imagine the most likely case would be getting the 1994 ban made permanent.

In terms of investing, I agree with what others say regarding the NRA. The other thing I highly reccomend is take a good chunck of your gun budget and invest it in training. If you become skilled at arms, you can pick up and use anything. NRA first and training is a high second.
 
What guns should I buy as investments?

THIS original question has NOTHING to do with the following statement:

So what do you think will be the first to get outlawed?

Maybe some folks should take a chill pill. Investment buying versus trying to guess which gun is to be outlawed are two different animals
 
It would probably be smart not to waste money on anything that is likely to be banned for sale or possession.

Depreciation is ugly on such a weapon.

Classic bolt actions and double shotguns come to mind as investments.
 
Garands, Mosin Nagants of all kinds, M1 Carbines, K31s, K/M98s, SKS's, Swede Mausers, Lee Enfields, etc.

all of these guns are no longer made. The older guys keep saying you could pick them out of a barrel for 30-50 bucks back 15 years ago, apparently. Most people thought of them more as utilitarian tent poles than as being meant for only shooting.

Garands used to be found for 200 bucks, but now go for 600-1000 bucks.

M1 Carbines doubled in price in 15 years.

SKS's went from 89.99 to about 300 bucks.

K31's have gone up 100 bucks in like the past year alone.

Mausers and Enfields used to cost like a 100 bucks ten years ago, but are now seen for 300-400 bucks.

Those are investments. Small investments, but investments nonetheless. If you try to find a real big investment in firearms, chances are you will be losing about 25-50% of your invested money. That is why I would agree that you should stick to gold or stocks for the real investing. Or beachfront property near a rapidly urbanizing area.
 
If you want to own various different firearms because they appeal to you, then have at it. But as investments? Nah, too illiquid, too expensive to insure (or too easy to steal), too vulnerable to fads ... and they don't pay a dividend.

Buy what you want, enjoy using, and would regret not having later on. Never sell it. Assume it is worth zero. If you do that then you will never be disappointed. I know it's kind of a trite answer.
Trite, but true.

I am a regular person with a regular job and plenty of debt. i know, typical "loser" american right? ... I don't have a rack full of any particular model, for example 15 DPMS AR's or something silly like that. But ... if I had 25-30k extra to spend on an arsenal, I would spend about half of it for such a purpose.
If you come into a spare 25-30K I recommend applying it towards your debt, not towards accumulating a rack of dust-collectors.
 
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