What happened to hunting rifle stocks?

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I removed the plastic stock from my 700VTR and replaces it with a Boyd's stock. Groups went from 1 1/2" to >1" at 100 yards. Wood laminate stock for me. Added 1+ pound to the weight, but I can handle that for the accuracy. Free floated the barrel too.
 
I have always thought synthetic stocks look correct on rifles. We used wood for centuries because we had nothing better. I am a finish carpenter/cabinet maker and love wood. But not necessarily on a rifle. Funny though I do not like it on pistol frames.
 
Yes. Always have been. Wasn't walnut chosen because maple had gotten too expensive back in the late 1800's? And maple because the Civil War had used up so much of the Cherry supply? Heck, the only reason at all that we had full-length stocks way back when, was because it was expensive to make a long, light barrel of a high grade of steel that would not bend like a noodle, and the stock acted to stiffen it. Wood is more expensive than synthetic materials because it is not consistent. Lack of consistency in an industrial production setting equals scrapped parts and waste.


To be fair, a gloss "anything" on a hunting rifle is somewhat counterproductive, though it does look nice to see a candy-coated Blaser/etc. ;)

But 'tactical' is not the reason they went matte. Bead blasting or tumbling allows them to achieve a uniform (-ly poor) surface finish that obscures all tool marks from fabrication, and allows them to go straight to finish coatings without tedious polishing. Remington in particular is notorious for their extremely coarse blasted "express" finish that looks nearly like 60 grit sandpaper, which gets black-parked to form an ugly matte exterior with sponge like character (read: corrosion tendencies).

When not taken to Remington extremes, it does successfully provide a pleasing satin surface finish at a significant cost savings, which I would argue is a net positive.
Might also consider the fact that with those bright, shiny, mirrored finish scope tubes you might be giving yourself away to the critter you're stalking long before it smells you.
Matte finish isn't tacticool, it is functional.
 
:mad:When I was a kid, bolt action hunting rifles were essentially all stocked with hardwood, checkered (cut or pressed, but checkered either way), and had a nice finish applied.

This is practically verbatim what I e-mailed to "Henry Rifles." I was inquiring about one of Henry's WLF rifles with better grade wood and finish and that these features aren't as prevalent today. Problem is you CAN'T go to the store and look at several to pick the one with the stock you like best anymore. You see a display model (in this case a generic catalog picture) and order it hoping it's got a stock you like. Henry e-mailed me back and said there was no way to pick the exact gun you want as it's held in a warehouse and shipped as it's ordered. My question to them is why can't a picture or some other digital representation be taken of each gun so they CAN be perused prior to purchase? I dropped the thought of buying one of these rifles as I'm not willing to take the chance of not getting exactly what I want.
 
I can absolutely understand why someone might lament the fact that wood has fallen out of favor, but I'm not one of those someones! I much prefer synthetic stocks. Overall I think they feel better, offer better purchase in all weather conditions, and they look "better" to me, too (better in the sense of being appropriate). Maybe if you're presenting the gun as a gift to a head of state or a captain of industry finely figured wood is more appropriate, but I view firearms as tools. A wood stock is pretty like a sunset or a painting; a synthetic stock is beautiful in the way a shark is beautiful, just deadly form following predatory function. With wood stocks I'm always worrying about dinging up the finish.

FWIW I'd really like to see the Magpul rifle stock offered for more guns than just the Remington 700. Eg Tikka, Savage, Ruger, etc.
 
I own both. If the weather is bad I grab one w/ a synthetic stock. Otherwise it's one w/ a wood stock. I completely understand the merits of a synthetic stock. I also realize that they can be butt ugly. But it's not like rainbow laminate stocks aren't atrocious as well.

You always have the option to put a wood stock on a rifle. Well almost always. Still waiting on one for a Ruger American Ranch. FDE isn't a good choice when you live in the North East.

I have one shotgun that doesn't see field use due to it's stock and engraving. It was a splurge purchase and it's a beautiful gun. Unfortunately it's one that I can't easily replace so it's only for the range. If you are wealthy dropping $20k on a shotgun is nothing. Because in that world it would be a cheap one. Cost is relative and many have the means to buy high end guns w/ fancy wood and finishes.

Who says a cheap piece of wood w/ no figure can't look good ;)
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Money happened. Deforestation (of nice old growth trees) happened.

It's considerably cheaper to make a polymer stock than to carve and inlet a wooden one and a lot harder to find nice wood if you choose to go that route.

Some fiberglass stocks are as expensive as wood as that is more complicated process than molding polymer.
 
Reason for it is the same reason we have better tires on our cars, we are an innovative culture always in search of a better way to do things. The synthetic stocks are extremely tough and reliable. My Remington 700 VSF (Varmint Synthetic Fluted) is the toughest rifle I have ever owned. It haas been banged around a lot on my prairie dog shoots and still looks OK....and the rifle kills lots of dogs. I also have laminates and gorgeous woods with blued barrels. pretty ones are my favorites and always will be.
 
I only have one rifle that is polymer stock all my other rifles have select walnut stocks and deep bluing. My hand guns are the same except one that's my beretta 92 f's centurion. Just saying.
 
About the article on stainless guns printed in 1999 - I'd already purchased a stainless and polymer Rem 700 five years earlier. Even then you could see the trend. And by the mid 90's finding a rifle with factory iron sights was difficult - most were scope ready.

What might be getting missed is the nice wood stocked rifle being taken to the woods and abused finally sank in - we'd had 50 years of that prior to 1995, and all those Presentation Grade walnut stocked guns with white spacers sold to make the Great White Hunter happy were now obviously rusting, chipped and scratched used guns sitting in a barrel in pawnshops and gunstores. It's not nice wood when it's been dented, initials scratched into the butt, that major ding from when it fell over and hit a rock in the parking lot deer hunting. Wood isn't durable, the fibers can't take punishment. Any one who has purchases a CMP Garand knows you are lucky to get decent used stocks from military service - for that matter, it's a testimony that gun never saw the field much.

That's not to forget those wonderful old walnut stocks often were not - they were stained birch or walnut whitewood. A lot of those old guns didn't have great figured wood on them - it's a fantasy notion. Even then the better stocks were on the upscale models, not the run of the rack shooter grade guns sitting in an OTASCO store. You didn't find cheap bolt guns or levers like that - unless it was a special limited edition and you had to ask as a serious customer to handle it.

The good old days of wonderful walnut? No, not so much. We tend to enhance our memories of the good ol days remembering back. And yes, I DO prefer to hunt with a parkerized gun - it needs less maintenance and doesn't speckle if carried out on a wet day afield. Much less the wood soaking up water which spoils the finish. What we learned from all those years of showcase gun finishes is they have no place out in the field.

No different than hauling the living room coffee table into the garage to rebuild carburetors on. It's gonna get uglified and there will be questions asked in a demeaning manner. Hit the larger gun stores and look on the racks of older guns, take a look at the stocks. It's no wonder Fajen and others are still in business selling replacments, wood stocks are not hard use capable. Even the military kept replacements by the tens of thousands because they knew better.
 
I have and do take my shiny blue and wood stocked rifle hunting. The wood has scratches. The bluing has scratches. It cost me $1,100. At the end of the day (or years at this point), it still looks better than the polymer stocked rifles with matte finishes and shoots as well. I dont understand the aversion to taking nice looking rifles in the woods.
I don't ether. I consider the nicks and scratches on my wood stocked guns signs of character that bring back memorys of long ago hunts.
Plastic stocks have all the character of a pipe wrench.
 
The deer don't know or care how "pretty" your rifle is. Choosing accuracy and cost over cosmetics is perfectly rational to me. If you want "luxury" you'll have to pay for it.
 
I love nice wood stocks, but I don't want wood just for the sake of having it.
I don't care one bit about the cheap, plain wood stocks many companies are putting on their rifles these days. I'd rather have synthetic.

But a nice custom claro or bastogne walnut stock makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Of course a full custom job will cost more than most are willing to spend on the entire firearm (me included).
I am in awe of such craftsmanship, and I will most likely never own one.

But the standard wood stock on a Remington or Ruger off the shelf rifle does nothing for me. Give me a good synthetic stock any day over those.
 
I don;t care what they're made of - I just mourn the passing of the stock shape designed to provide a good cheek weld when shot from a standing,kneeling/sitting position. Over my lifetime, I've watched the traditional stock shape morph into a prone/bench shape (straight comb, very little drop) and away from the traditional shape that provided adequate drop to support hunting on foot.
 
When I was a young hunter its seemed that only the cheapest rifles had birch stocks, plastic was unheard of until Remington's Nylon 66 came along and it didn't sell very well. The mid to upper range rifles all had walnut stocks, the Remington 700 even the lowly ADL, the Ruger 77, the Winchester 70s. and on and on.
I was rifle shopping a couple of years ago. At my LGS they had a Ruger American on a counter display, plastic stock, trigger guard and even magazine. The counter man asked if I wanted to handle it to which I replied NO. I opted to pay a couple of hundred more for a 77 with walnut stock. Every long gun I own has a wood stock, 2 are birch 5 are walnut.
The argument is on going whether plastic is as good or better than wood and steel but you can bet the decision to use plastic, regardless of its quality was based solely on cost of manufacture.
 
The argument is on going whether plastic is as good or better than wood and steel but you can bet the decision to use plastic, regardless of its quality was based solely on cost of manufacture.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
 
I don;t care what they're made of - I just mourn the passing of the stock shape designed to provide a good cheek weld when shot from a standing,kneeling/sitting position. Over my lifetime, I've watched the traditional stock shape morph into a prone/bench shape (straight comb, very little drop) and away from the traditional shape that provided adequate drop to support hunting on foot.

Isn't the change is stock shape (drop) driven by the fact that for other than dangerous game, darn near everyone uses a scoped rifle and a good cheek weld on a stock with a drop perfect for irons ends up being too low for good cheek weld with a scope.

That Inner Mountain beauty shown in the above post doesn't appear to have a lot of drop -- It'd likely be too high for irons, but looks about perfect for the scope (the rifle appears to lack iron sights).
 
Isn't the change is stock shape (drop) driven by the fact that for other than dangerous game, darn near everyone uses a scoped rifle and a good cheek weld on a stock with a drop perfect for irons ends up being too low for good cheek weld with a scope.
Yes, you need a higher comb with an optic, to raise your head to the optic centerline. But the drop of the stock is what sets the relative height of the action above your shoulder pocket; the comb is what provides the cheek weld. Offhand shooting demands more drop than prone/benched shooting, since you traditionally keep your head erect when offhand shooting. If you go back and look at ads/pictures, early 'optics-ready' rifle stocks were simply traditional stocks with the comb raised (either straight comb or Monte Carlo style) to provide proper sight alignment. They fit well, and were suitable for field use. But within the last 30-40 years, manufacturers started substituting less-expensive stocks that lacked the raised comb and simply raised the drop to compensate.

As a result, you see all sorts of hunched-over offhand shooting positions used these days. These positions are slower and less repeatable than more traditional positions, but it's what folk need to do to make these faddish stocks work.
 
I have some rifles that are very accurate and stocked with very nice wood. I also have some rifles that ware very, very accurate and stocked with laminates and synthetics (as opposed to cheap plastic). When I hunt, I generally go with one of the laminate or synthetic stocked rifles. I don't cringe nearly as much when I throw it into the pickup or bounce the butt through a mesquite thicket or algarita brush. (For those not from the Southwest, mesquite and algarita {relative of holly with edible berries} both have a lot of very sharp things to scratch both you and wood). Also, the point of impact changes a lot less between 5500 ft and 2300 ft altitude with a synthetic or laminate stock.
 
The new mossberg patriot can be had with a walnut stock and iron sights! for around $450 or so. They are as American as you can get, and somehow they are able to offer it in a reasonably priced rifle.

Disclaimer: I have not shot or handled any of the new mossberg patriot rifles, just read some reviews online. For the price range, I haven't seen anything bad said about them. I also think they recognize people like the look of wood, and are aggressively trying to compete in the budget hunting gun market. I have no idea what their profit margin is.
 
If you want a really nice wood stock on a rifle take a look at Kimber.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/superamerica

Classic Select (14 chamberings)
Super America (.308 Win)
Caprivi (3 chamberings)
Varmint & LongMaster Classic (4 chamberings)

I have two Kimbers with wood stocks and they're gorgeous but I prefer the Montana/Mountain Ascent carbon fiber stocks.
 
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