What is a "common" cartridge?

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There seem to be many disagreements on THR that either center around whether a given cartridge is "rare" or not or, worse, do not center on this question, but involve posters with unspoken disagreements about what constitutes a "rare" cartridge. Since rare-ness of a cartridge isn't a binary thing, I thought it might be interesting or useful to lay out a sort of continuum of different levels of commonality/rarity that cartridges might fall into. There may be better ways to break up these tiers, and people might reasonably disagree about whether a cartridge should move up or down a tier... maybe that will be a fun conversation for us to have...

  1. .22lr. The most-consumed and most-made cartridge. Except for extraordinary circumstances (which involve tens of thousands of individuals all simultaneously attempting to build stockpiles of tens or hundreds of thousands of rounds), every store that carries any ammunition at all will carry multiple types.
  2. Government-subsidized cartridges. These are cartridges that are acquired in such vast quantities by the military and/or LE that there are vast supply chains devoted to feeding the plant lines that make these rounds... and they are comparatively cheaper than similar rounds as a result, and have the broadest level of availability barring temporary runs/panics or government consumption spikes. Any gun store will stock multiple options of each of these, and any general store that carries ammunition (such as a Wal-Mart or a Dick's Sporting Goods) will carry at least one option of each. Examples: 9x19; .223/5.56; .308/7.62; .45ACP; .40 S&W (perhaps moving out of this category over the next decade); 12 gauge.
  3. Ubiquitous commercial cartridges. These are cartridges that are almost as universally available as #2, but do not presently have the vast economies of scale that current, widespread government use affords. A majority of full-line gun manufacturers (that makes an appropriate platform - i.e., rifles for rifle cartridges) will have one or more guns chambered in each of these. Any decent gun store will have multiple options in each of these cartridges, and any general store that sells ammunition will stock at least one option. Examples: .380/9x17mm; .38 special; .357 magnum; .30-30; 7.62X39 has moved into this category, probably; 30-06; .270 Winchester(?); 20 gauge.
  4. Common commercial cartridges. They are slightly niche-ier, but still readily available. These are cartridges that any "gun person" will have heard of and likely will have personally experienced at some point. Some of them are former members of #2 or #3 and are past their heyday; others are on their way up from further down the list. Guns are currently being produced by mass manufacturers (as opposed to custom makers) in these calibers. A test for being a "good gun store" might be that they stock more than one option of each of these regularly; some general retailers who carry ammunition will carry an example (or perhaps two) of these, but will often not have a wide array of choices, and may not always stock the cartridge. All or substantially all of the major ammunition labels makes the cartridge, typically in many varieties, and all can be had at-will online outside of panic times. Examples: .25 auto; .32 ACP; .32 S&W long; 10mm auto; .38 super; .44 special; .44 magnum; .45 Long Colt; .243 Winchester; 6.5 Grendel (maybe); 6.5 Creedmore (just recently); 7mm Rem Magnum; .300 Win Mag; .375 H&H (maybe); .45-70; 20 gauge; I tend to think .410 shotgun used to be in this category but has moved to #6 over my lifetime.
  5. Foreign/recent milsurp. Sometimes will be more available than #4, but usually with a narrower range of choices. Examples: 9x18 Mak; 7.62x39 (if not in #2); 5.45; 7.62x54R; .303; 6.5 Swedish; 7mm Mauser; 8mm Mauser.
  6. Uncommon cartridges. Most ammunition makers routinely make these, though there may be some gaps between runs and, once a retailer (even online) is out of stock, it may be a while before they get more stock. More than one gun manufacturer is chambering guns in their regular catalogue in each of these, powder and bullet manufacturers almost invariably develop and include load data for them in manuals, and multiple sources exist for all reloading components. Most good gun stores will keep at least one option in stock, though many general retailers will not. Online availability is extremely good, and ammo and components can be ordered at-will. Examples: .41 magnum; .32 H&R magnum; .327 Federal (maybe should be in category 4); .454 Casull; .204 Ruger; .222 Rem; 22-250; .300 BLK (maybe now up to category 4, and seems headed that way); .25-06; .444 Marlin; .458 Win Mag; (a LOT of other hunting cartridges); 16 gauge; maybe 28 gauge per comments; .410 shotgun.
  7. Current project/proprietary cartridges. A cartridge that has been released to the market relatively recently, usually with the backing of one ammo maker and one (or sometimes more) gun manufacturers. Selection of ammo and components will generally be narrow (only a handful of loadings from the sponsoring/branding maker), but they will push to ensure good availability at their stocking dealers and online. The maker hopes to move up into category 2-4, or at least be able to hang on in category 6. Some will end up in #9. Examples: 5.7 FN; .480 Ruger; .204 Ruger; .26 Nosler.
  8. Dominant niche cartridges. These are cartridges that do not have wide application in the broad firearms community, but are so good at one particular thing or so well suited to a particular game that they occupy a third to virtually all of the volume in that niche. Ammo in these chambering/configurations will almost never be available at general retailers who sell ammo, and will rarely be available even at good gun stores except by special order (if then). Many ammunition makers will not routinely make these cartridges, though some do. Handloading components, however, are readily available at-will by order and from multiple makers. Guns are manufactured in these calibers by some mainstream mass-manufacturers, but would generally not be found in your local gun store unless they happened to specialize in the relevant niche. Most shooters of these are handloaders. Examples: .38 super comp; .32 S&W long wadcutter; various 6mm rifle cartridges used for benchrest; .338 Lapua.
  9. Legacy cartridges. These are cartridges that have (or had) SAAMI specs (and/or the euro equivalent) but that have largely and apparently permanently lost out on filling a given role. Guns chambered in these are not currently offered as standard items by any manufacturer, except perhaps in small numbers as historical reproductions. Most shooters will never have touched one of these guns, much less fired one. Finding these cartridges in any brick and mortar store is a bit of a surprise, and even online sources can be a bit scarce. Reloading components are similarly spare, and long-term shooting in volume may require some degree of manufacture (such as fire-forming brass from other cartridges) or diligent planning and scrupulous retention of empties. Some reloading manuals/powder websites will have data, but others will not. Examples: .41 Long Colt; .41 Action Express; .256 Newton; many black-powder rounds; many British cordite big-game rounds; 28 gauge (or maybe not per comments). NOTE: Legacy status (or any other status on this availability/commonality test) is not an insult nor is it praise. It's just an assessment that the primary reason the ammo is available is simply that there are old guns out there for it. -- EDITED TO ADD: This category can be broken down into: 9A (Legacy Supported) cartridges that are still made (often in small batches and only periodically) by one or more major manufacturers and are supported by one or more major brass maker (such as .32 S&W short); and 9B (Legacy Unsupported) that are not made by any major manufacturer at all, and that no major brass manufacturer supplies (such as almost all the old large-caliber rimfire cartridges). With 9B, you're pretty much on your own.
  10. Wildcats/customs. You won't find pre-loaded ammunition for these except, perhaps, from small, speciality manufacturers. You won't find active SKU's for guns in these among any of the big manufacturers. You will have to order the gun from a custom maker and he will likely sell you the dies to make the ammo for it. You may have to manufacture your own brass from a parent case, but there may be occasional runs of brass for the most popular of these by specialty brass makers.
OK, that's my shot (ha!) at it. There are probably sub-tiers within each of these. I may have misclassified several of the example cartridges. But maybe having some common understanding of the spectrum of availbility/commonality would help defuse some disagreements wherein someone says that they don't shoot "oddball" rounds, by which they mean anything below #3 on the list, while another poster who lives shooting 7, 8, and 9 doesn't see how .41 magnum can possibly be considered "oddball" when S&W and Ruger and Taurus and Henry all make guns in it today and every major ammo manufacturer has multiple loadings on offer. (For example.)
 
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"....41 Action Express..." More of a 'flash in the pan' than any kind of legacy. No ammo or brass being made or has been made for 20ish plus years. IMI said in response to an inquiry about 10 years ago, they'd do a run if somebody ordered a million rounds. The 500 cases I bought when I bought the barrel was a really good investment if I was interested in selling any.
Anyway, somebody here, I think, coined the term, The Wal-Mart Test. If you see it in Wally World it's common.
Proprietary cartridges are usually the answer to an unasked question. Anything ending in 'No$ler', for example.
 
There are literally dozens of hunting cartridges that have fallen from favor and are now rare. Its not terribly difficult to locate a used rifle, even some in great condition. Just no ammunition to be found. Bunch of 22 centerfires (bee, zipper, newton), the once ubiquitous 257 Roberts is now an oddity, all the AI's (yes you can shoot the parent and reload but good luck finding it factory loaded), many of the savages, the short magnums, the short-fat magnums, the list goes on. Thankfully we are seeing rebounded interest in these firearms and their ammo thanks to internet forums and sales. Otherwise they would just disappear.
 
28 gauge is as out of favor as 41 colt? Lots of makers still make 28 gauge guns... lots of people shoot 28 gauges...

Otherwise I like your post and appreciate the thought and time you put into it.
 
Additions to category 5: All obsolete military calibers with one or two sources: 6x50 Japanese, 7.7 Japanese, 8x56r, 8x50r, 6.5 and 7.35 Carcano, 8mm Lebel, 7.5 Swiss, 7.5 French, 6.5x54 Mannlicher, 8mm Nambu, 7.62x38r Nagant, 6x53r Dutch Mannlicher, 7.62x53 Argentine/Belgian. 8x50r and 8x52r Siamese Mauser, and as much as it pains me to say it, .30-40 Krag aka .30 U.S. aka .30 Army. Remington did load it with Coreloks around hunting season but haven't seen it in the last two years anywhere online or in stores. Grafs and Sons is a source for brass.
 
The Wal-Mart Test.

Wal-Mart is an example of the "general retailer that sells ammunition" mentioned in several of the categories above. They're not a gun store, but (many of them) do sell ammo.
 
Wal-Mart is an example of the "general retailer that sells ammunition" mentioned in several of the categories above. They're not a gun store, but (many of them) do sell ammo.
WalMart may be the largest retailer of firearms in the country with around half its stores stocking rifles and shotguns.
 
They're still not a gun store. They sell a lot of books but they're not a book store either. They're a general retailer.
 
To my (casual, outside the industry) mind, if it's not in continuous production from at least one manufacturer, it's probably not a common cartridge.
 
Any current or preceding service cartrige and their inmediate derivates.
308, 243, 260/6.5x47/6.5cre, 7mm-08, 338f, 358w
30-06, 30-06AI, 270, 280, 35 whelen, 30 carbine, 7.65x54R, 7.62x39, 5.5x39, 338 lm., 50 BMG
8mm mauser, 6.5x55, 7mm mauser
9mm luger, 45 acp, 9mm makarov, tokarev
5.56, 223R, 6x45 cat, TCU cats, fireball and whisper derivates.
Then 12ga, 20ga and .410
Classic rimmed + magnums.
22lr, 44spc, 44 rem mag, 38spc 357 remmag, 30-30, 45-70, etc..
300 win mag, 300 WSM, 338 win mag, 458 win mag
 
I can think of several ways to look at this.

1. The "Walmart Test" talked about above.
2. Look at the grouping categories from the various reloading die makers. Maybe even at the top selling dies.
3. Look at the calibers of brass that you pick up most often at the range.

To me, its been interesting to see how cartridges come and go. The Cowboy action shooters have caused a lot of obsolete cartridges to be put back into production. The 45-70 is still a favorite with cast bullet shooters. The 257 Roberts is enjoying its second wind. Its no surprise to me that some of the newer cartridges have failed. The competition can be tough!
 
I opened my mouth to move 22-250 over to a more common category, but I thought about it and remembered that it's possible that it's just more common where I live because varminting is more popular.

I have my dad's old 760 in .257 Roberts, I'm mostly annoyed that most of the factory ammo I see for it is +P, and I really don't want to shoot it an old pump gun.
 
Ten categories? That looks almost like IRS tax code. For me there is only two. Can it be purchased at a sporting goods store like Cabela's or purchased online. If so it's a common cartridge. If not it's not so common and should be considered obsolete or at least uncommon.
 
Sixteen gauge (or 16 bore as we say here in the UK) used to be very common but are now very expensive and tend to be special order or home load only. I know guys who shoot 10 bore and 6 bore shotguns but they are in a very special category of their own :) Whereas 20 and 28 are more common than they used to be, just a fashion thing I guess. 410 is still hanging in there along with 9mm ' garden guns'.
With the licencing restrictions in place over here, there are many rifles still being shot that use rounds that aren't commercially viable so many people home load and cast their own loads (as I'm sure they do in the USA). Specialist suppliers sell small numbers of brass cases (such as .577 for the Martini-Enfield)
 
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Ten categories? That looks almost like IRS tax code. For me there is only two. Can it be purchased at a sporting goods store like Cabela's or purchased online. If so it's a common cartridge. If not it's not so common and should be considered obsolete or at least uncommon.
Well, hundreds or even thousands of cartridges can be purchased online. I wouldn't call all of them "common." I mean, here's the ammoseek page for .41 Long Colt: https://ammoseek.com/ammo/41-long-colt

Here's one for 8mm Kurz: https://ammoseek.com/ammo/8mm-kurz

Here's one for 24 gauge shotgun shells: https://ammoseek.com/ammo/24-gauge

All of those can be found online at the moment (and not at an auction site). The incredible ability of the internet to make all kinds of obscure cartridges easily available with a click and a CC# is what got me started on this thread. Some folks insist that a cartridge's availability at Wal-Mart is an essential prerequisite for them to consider owning such a gun, because otherwise it's a "rare" or "oddball" cartridge that will be difficult to keep fed.

Obviously, there are degrees of availability of ammo and components, and people sometimes have a hard time communicating when one person's definition of "rare" is the wal-mart test and another person uses the ammoseek test.
 
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