What is the best revolver & caliber for long range targets?

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I knew bullseye shooters who intentionally loaded sub-sonic for the purpose of precision, but that has been my only experience with concern for transonic transition in a handgun (non-specialty pistol).

I do know, however, I’m supersonic in my B&D mag past 350.
 
Shooting distance with revolvers isnt voodoo or rocket surgery, despite many saying its impossible, or anyone saying its possible cant be telling the truth. No, its generally not as precise as most rifle shooting or specialty scoped pistol shooting, but is much easier to do once its been done a while. Its also hugely fun, and forces one to really concentrate on all the basics. Most that Ive gotten started on the habit shoot pretty wild at first, but on dry ground where you can see the hits, they double down on their basics and start doing better right away. Most can hit an 18" plate at 300 yards withing a few cylindersful with a little coaching. One thing most do wrong at first is trying to "hold over" using the sights even across the tops as for close distance, then holding over some amount, often using some spot on the landscape above the intended target. That comes apart when shooting other places and distances. Holding the front sight and target always in the same relationship, and lowering the rear in relation to the front seems to be more repeatable for iron sight use, and doesnt obscure the target as "holding over" does. Time and experience start making educated guesses on how to hold the sights more productive over time. First round hits at various unknown distances eventually becomes common.

Keith made up some front sights with small gold bars inlaid horizontally across the face as reference points to hold even with the top of the rear sight. The red ramps on S&W front sights can also be used this way (a percentage of the red ramp for various distances, or the entire red portion, etc), as can the dots on many modern sights. As an example, the hold for my g-19 was holding the top edge of the rear sight about 2/3 down the front dot, and the tip of the front sight splitting the 300 yard plate. I could hand the gun to somebody and tell them the hold and they could get first round hits, or be very close. Scoped should be more precise, but you may need some extra elevation built into the bases or rings. Im curious how this works out with your guns and scopes, I may want to do similar if it works out and isnt difficult getting zeroed or getting "elevation added" bases worked out.

One of the guys here built a special revolver for longer distance shooting with a Ruger 357 DA, I dont recall the model. he had it rebarreled and scoped and was getting pretty impressive groups at 300 yds and longer distances.

Simply "use whats the most practical/efficient/smart/whatever" isnt always the most fun and interesting way to go about things. Long distance revolvers or auto pistols with irons or glass is something that appeals to me more than contenders or other specialty pistols, though the XP has some appeal to me.

Wish I had not let my son read this one = not really.
Now he wants to look into a .460 revolver, like I don't have enough calibers to reload for already.
However he still holds on to the idea of the 44 mag idea and whichever it is it will be scoped
most likely.
He can afford any of them easily. Wish I had that ability when I was 38 years old.
 
I would think for accurate shooting at 300 yards you would be better off with a Encore / Contender or a bolt pistol not saying you cant hit a 20" gong
at 300 yards with a Ruger SBH in 44 magnum but if looking for accuracy I would go with a single shot at that range with a scope on top
and maybe be looking in to a bottle neck case like a 6mm of some sort

I have 4 Encore pistols that can hammer steel at the 280 yard target but I have never even tried a large caliber revolver
at that range or farther.
I have killed a few deer with the Model 29 Smith but sighed it in at 60 yards for hunting & one of the deer was
at about 80 yards but that's about all my long range stuff for revolvers.
Up close we shoot at least 2 times a week with revolvers or some handguns.
 
Your model 29 should do fine. At longer distances, bullet/ammo quality becomes very important. Then practice. A lot.

My son is the one wanting the new revolver set up & like every time he wants something he tries to buy mine.
I should caution him that not every revolver shoots like it's copy, I have bought same models barrel length & hardware
because the one I have shoots so well , only to find they don't match in accuracy or takes a different reload to shoot
as good.
 
There are two schools of thought. One is to use the longest barrel, highest velocity and big scopes in a vain attempt to turn a revolver into a rifle. IMHO, this ain't what I think about when someone mentions long range revolver shooting. Long range precision rifle shooters don't use lightweight bullets at the highest velocities and revolver shooters shouldn't do that either. What I think about is a .357, .41, .44 or .45 shooting standard to heavy bullets that are proven to remain stable at long ranges. The Keith designs are favorites here. As Malamute described, you're not trying to get a zero, you're raising the front sight above the rear with the target perched on top. It takes a lot of practice and finesse but hits at several hundred yards are possible.

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The series of videos Chad Mathis posted is very good.


Now that would really be more challenging than using a scope, I will get my son to try whatever he gets without a scope
first because he is a very good shooter.
That seems to be the way a revolver should be used.
 
Not saying it can't be done , but 300 yards is a long way for a revolver. Buy why? I guess bragging rights and proving something to yourself has something to do with it. Not sure why you would use a pistol to hunt at 300yds or is it just target shooting. Hunting at that range with a revolver = unethical.
 
As others have said, the 460 is excellent at long range for a revolver but you are looking for something smaller. I shot silhouette using a 357 SM Dan Wesson in revolver class which was created for competition where you are shooting out to 200 meters. I also have Dan Wessons in 44 and 375 SM. Of these my personal favorite is the 375 SM but understand these are reloading only and you need to initially make the cases for ammunition. Also while smaller than a X-frame Smith, they are not small revolvers. What you do get is a revolver that can shoot bullets in the .235 SD range which work well for distance. If you want something medium size to shoot out to 300 yards with light recoil, try a 327 magnum and even a 357 magnum will ring gongs at 300 yards.
My older son has a good looking 6" 357 Dan Wesson made in early 80's . can I get a longer barrel for it & make
it work for him so he wouldn't feel left out.
I'm not to familiar with them but remember many years back they were used in long range shooting & did well.
I know they have a barrel shroud & I remember changing one to a longer barrel once.
 
As someone who doesn't have LR handgun experience, Ru4real's question seems pretty legit. I was thinking along the same lines. Matter of fact, before posting, I went to a ballistic calculator and typed in the BCs and velocities for a .38 (158 grain) and .44 XTP (240 and 300 grain) traveling 300 yards, and while the .44mag is less affected by drop and windage, it does go trans-sonic around 125 yards. So while I don't doubt those who actually have experience in the matter, I'm reasonably wondering why the velocity drop to subsonic doesn't wreak havoc.
Question = Is this a true physical barrier the bullet goes thru OR a mathematical calculation of balance & spin loss.
 
The larger Super-Magnums will reach out there...but the blast and concussion as well as recoil might take some of the fun out of it. I've got a 15" 30.06 Encore and it will no doubt do the job...but it's a little on the noisy side of things and you said it needs to be a revolver? How about going the other way from the Magnums and maybe a 22 Hornet Taurus? Long barrel and from what I've read they can shoot pretty well. Would be loud but the recoil mild which might help with the precision needed to hit things at distance and you likely could start the bullets out a good bit faster than even the big Magnums.

BFR's come in 30-30 if single-action would appeal to you and might work well.
22 Hornet is one of my favorite reloading rounds. I am not aware of a revolver in 22H.
Hope this is for real in a good firearm.
 
Not saying it can't be done , but 300 yards is a long way for a revolver. Buy why? I guess bragging rights and proving something to yourself has something to do with it. Not sure why you would use a pistol to hunt at 300yds or is it just target shooting. Hunting at that range with a revolver = unethical.
The 300 yards is just the length of our shooting range, not the goal for a revolver.
 
Wish I had not let my son read this one = not really.
Now he wants to look into a .460 revolver, like I don't have enough calibers to reload for already.

Well.....you were the one who asked the question, "What is best?" not just "what will work?". There's a reason for the Contender/Encore pistols. At one time there were no revolver platforms that could equal a bottleneck cartridge fired from one of them, for long range shooting. Now.....there's much better competition. With a good tailwind and a steep downhill slope, one can get a '73 VW Beetle up to 100 MPH. Many will brag they can do it. Don't make it the best for doin' it tho. Again, anything will work for what you want. What is best can be subjective or objective, depending on what you(or your son) really wants.
 
My older son has a good looking 6" 357 Dan Wesson made in early 80's . can I get a longer barrel for it & make
it work for him so he wouldn't feel left out.
I'm not to familiar with them but remember many years back they were used in long range shooting & did well.
I know they have a barrel shroud & I remember changing one to a longer barrel once.
Shroud/barrel sets are available from CZ (who owns Dan Wesson). You'll have to wait until they make a new run.
http://shop.cz-usa.com/dw-products/revolver/barrels-shrouds/357-magnum
You can also get them from EWK, but they are out of stock too. He also offers shroud profiles the factory doesn't have.
www.ewkarms.com
Sometimes these pop up on gunbroker but often they are the same price as new...or more.
 
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I tremendously enjoy my 460 mag, and it seems to shoot incredibly flat out to 100 yards. However, I have never shot a handgun at the distances you are discussing, I just find it a fun cartridge. I would think at 300 yards, Varminterror and CraigC's advice would be good stuff to think about, namely ballistic coefficients. You're going to be bucking the wind at those distances.

Bullets can be had over 300 grs, just need to dig up good load data.
 
Shroud/barrel sets are available from CZ (who owns Dan Wesson). You'll have to wait until they make a new run.
http://shop.cz-usa.com/dw-products/revolver/barrels-shrouds/357-magnum
You can also get them from EWK, but they are out of stock too. He also offers shroud profiles the factory doesn't have.
www.ewkarms.com
Sometimes these pop up on gunbroker but often they are the same price as new...or more.
Thanks , I saved it to my favorites.
I will go over it later, looks like 8" is in stock & the 10" is out.
I didn't think they still made them anywhere!
 
Well.....you were the one who asked the question, "What is best?" not just "what will work?". There's a reason for the Contender/Encore pistols. At one time there were no revolver platforms that could equal a bottleneck cartridge fired from one of them, for long range shooting. Now.....there's much better competition. With a good tailwind and a steep downhill slope, one can get a '73 VW Beetle up to 100 MPH. Many will brag they can do it. Don't make it the best for doin' it tho. Again, anything will work for what you want. What is best can be subjective or objective, depending on what you(or your son) really wants.
I did get a Corvair up to 95 mph downhill back in 1970 & almost lost it when the wheels got crazy.
If it was for me I would still ask the question here because regardless of my experience with working on revolvers & reloading & shooting
them so much I just don't have any real connections except the net to educate me on what is up & running or anything like that. None
of my buddies are into tech stuff, they just ask me.
Then there is the fact I am the worlds worst net searcher. Double that with the thing that made America great , marketing , and I have
become doubtful of every ad like: We make the best guns in the world. Anyone can say that and they all do. So how many best guns
can there be, we need a Superbowl for gun makers.
So my answer is a model 29 S&W in 8 3/8 " barrel only because I run them a lot & they have "mostly" been very accurate but my son
seems to want the best there is ,even if they are all the best. So which ever ad grabs him or which of these replies does the trick he
will probably go with that.= Kids!
 
I tremendously enjoy my 460 mag, and it seems to shoot incredibly flat out to 100 yards. However, I have never shot a handgun at the distances you are discussing, I just find it a fun cartridge. I would think at 300 yards, Varminterror and CraigC's advice would be good stuff to think about, namely ballistic coefficients. You're going to be bucking the wind at those distances.

Bullets can be had over 300 grs, just need to dig up good load data.
He is looking into that , I told him if he gets one he will have to do the reloading.
 
Ironic username to go with this post - because I’m not quite sure if this is trolling or not.

1300fps+ with a better BC in the 44mag will easily outshoot the 900fps 38spl at range.

Nope, not trolling, but instead a real question, since I've not shot pistols for score at 300 yards. Now that I've explained my reason for asking a ligit question and now that you know this is not trolling, perhaps you will take the high road and explain the irony you saw. Or perhaps not. We shall see.
 
It's all relative. If we were hunting down every last hundredth of an inch from a rifle, it obviously matters. Here we're talking hits on relatively large targets. The added velocity more than makes up for anything that happens when it goes transonic.

Thank you for this explanation. This is something I thought of before I asked, but I didn't know how much of an impact it may or may not have, so I asked.
 
If you load your own, a small ES is helpful for pistols at 300 yards. It's hard enough holding steady for drop without your load adding to the problem. Much like small ES numbers are needed for 1000 yard rifle. I like to shoot stock revolvers at 300 yards sometimes, it's very challenging. Big targets help. :)
 
Heavy bullets buck wind, light bullets are quick and don't drop as bad. Pick a point in the tradeoff and run with it. I picked 357 mag and havent really looked back. I had a taurus 66 that i proved to be "minute of tame duck" at about 200 yards once. The biggest thing is going to be getting a decent gun and giving him plenty of competitive practice to hone his skills. Wear him out wih your smiths until he catches up, then wear him out some more with the TCs. If he starts beating the TCs then you have to cheat and use a rifle.
 
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