What is the "sport" in using a tree stand?

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I understand where you're coming from.
I am primarily a traditional bowhunter and don't use stands. However, when I have to hunt on public land to fill the freezer, I use a stand. Why? All the times I walk through sporting goods stores and hear some bubba asking for heavy bullets for his rifle so it will cut through the brush.
It's a little frightening to think of people shooting through brush at something they can't see. Especially when other people may be out there.

That pretty much keeps me out of the east Texas piney woods. LOL There are 4 national forests and some state public hunt lands up there. Be okay if I lived up there (thinkin' about moving in a few years) and could scout all year and find the trails and hot spots, but I ain't goin' out there not knowing who or what is there and riskin' getting shot even if I'm wearing the required orange gear. There's not a lot of land compared to the number of hunters, city types, that converge on it from the Dallas metroplex and Houston areas every deer season. I go up there and squirrel hunt, great squirrel hunting, but I ain't riskin' my life to deer hunt and with a low probablility of success at that.
 
Here's my stand

Gunner, that is some tall, thick stuff! Dang, a guy could end up wearing a hog trying to still hunt through that jungle.
 
There is plenty of challenge/utility in using stands. I think gunner shows that with the picture. Four legged critters can be pretty smart at times. If you don't break your silhouette effectively or cover your scent, or stay still enough (oh that's fun when drawing a bow) to name a few...all you will see are white tails running from you!
 
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How stinkin arrogant and full of onesself must one be to even think this way.

What is the "sport" in using a tree stand?

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I'll begin by admittting I have never used one or ever felt like using one so I don't get the attraction for some.

Overheard some guys who couldn't walk a hundred yards without panting talking about ATVing their tree stands out to a screen of trees bordering some guy's farm that'd be left with all of the carrots that don't get picked. That's hunting? Just this side of hunting over bait, for a deer? In a tree stand? That's convenience store shopping, not sportsmanlike behavior.

To me, static "hunts" are about as exciting as fishing in a private trout pond the size of a small swimming pool.

So what is the draw to ambushing game animals that aren't birds?
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This guy is just as much an enemy to hunting as the hsus and peta. :cuss:
Watch em guys.
 
I don't hunt now, and I haven't in many years. However when I was a college kid back in NM, my cronies and I hunted whatever we could, because we were all poor. Real poor, government cheese poor, right.

We used anything we could to get those skinny mulies, we were out there to eat, there wasn't any "sport" about it.

It's easy to get on the high horse when you're not hungry.
 
A dude with his own undiagnosed arrogance problem wrote:

This guy is just as much an enemy to hunting as the hsus and peta.
Watch em guys.

Some of the practices that certain "hunters" try to pass off as "hunting" aren't hunting at all.

Some guys out there think that if they have a tag they are guaranteed a kill--dammit.

Why don't they just rent/borrow/steal a backhoe, dig some pits in a bean field and cover the pit openings with debris? Trapdoor spiders hunt this way so it must be cool to imitate them, right?

One could still shoot survivors from the top of the pit using *any* legal caliber and have an almost guaranteed one shot kill. Spikes are always optional in a pit trap.

And the guys who pop off about buying a 4-8k ATV to fill the freezer with "cheap meat" need a lesson in economics.

Guys who want a guaranteed result with a minimum of fuss already have a place to get their meat:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?id=0010544610886a&type=product&cmCat=search&returnPage=search-results1.jsp&No=80&Ntt=game+meat&noImage=0&Ntk=Products&QueryText=game+meat&Ntx=matchall&N=4887&Nty=1

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It's way more cost effective than a $2k lease or monthly Bombardier payments.

Just buy the head and talk about how effective the deer stand was.

http://www.macstaxidermy.com/north%20american%20big%20game.htm

$595.00 plus shipping and handling nets an eight point buck nicely mounted. You could buy roughly 14 or 15 for the price of moderately equipped 2008 Yamaha Grizzly. The lifetime of tall tales about the strains of sleeping in a tree while hunting over a carrot field are limited only by one's imagination.

Enemy of hunting? Hardly. The folks who most endanger hunting are those who make it look like shooting fish in barrel. Hunting gets banned in two usual ways: One is that population density rises too much to make it worthwhile or "safe" to the general public. Second, yahoos go on and make videos and tell stories that portray hunting as an "effort" where some dude in a tree blows away his buck in a hungry herd of thirty or so animals from 60 yards away with a .300 WSM, a "hunt" that took about three hours and looks/sounds as challenging as corraling the buck and shooting him from the fence.

Cougar and bear hunting with dogs was banned in Oregon by popular vote because hunters themselves had made numerous videos that made it look as easy as loosing some radio collared dogs and then showing up on foot or horseback to the appropriate tree and making a [sarc]tremendously difficult 35 to 40 foot shot.[/sarc]

Certainly there is a lot of effort in the proper training and care of the dogs and it takes some measure of skill to show up timely at the right tree to humanely take the animal, but it certainly never looks like a "fair" match-up.

IOW, it was banned because it appeared to be unsporting.

Barely ethical practices vigorously defended beyond all reason endanger hunting far more than my distaste for making it "too easy" does. I won't agitate against tree stands, someone whose knowledge of hunting is limited to seeing Bambi will.

There is a joke out there centered on Mr. Norris that goes like this:

Chuck Norris doesn't go hunting because hunting implies failure. Chuck Norris goes killing.

Killing the wildlife (and making it look too easy in the bargain) will animate the HSUS and PETA, not me.
 
Why do you care how I hunt? I've given you the reasons I hunt the way I do. I ain't comin' up there to force you into a tree stand at gunpoint, after all. What I do is all perfectly legal here in the great republic of Texas, feeder and all. You don't like it, you don't have to hunt that way. No one suggests you do. I agree that you seem to have an arrogance problem, you do what you do because you can....I can't. We have no decent public hunting lands here, it's all private. I can walk across my place in a few minutes. The place cost me 1180 an acre, but it's huntable by stand so that's how I hunt. I'm retired now and have to up 300 a year on the friggin' taxes. It seems to be worth triple what I paid for it, wild, 3K an acre for MARSH? I thought I was getting screwed when I bought it. LOL! I may sell out to buy in east Texas soon, but I don't know if I could find better deer and hog hunting. Hate to get rid of it for that. I protested the tax this year to no avail, can't argue with big brother.

You need to come down here to fully appreciate WHY we do what we do. I'm sitting in a 10 foot tripod stand, you seem to be hunting from a 40 ft ivory tower. But, then, you probably blend in well in Seattle. You wouldn't drive a hybrid by chance, would ya?
 
I have hunted from tree stands, i have killed alot more deer from the ground, i have hunted places that could only be hunted from a stand, and other places that could only be hunted from the ground, i do not use climbing stands any more(im just to fat) had one start to bend with me wile up in the tree! i like to find a big tree and get my back up against it, with my knees up so i can get a good rest, i have killed many deer that way, but i just dont see putting people down for useing tree stands:scrutiny: csa
 
Not hardly

Why don't they just rent/borrow/steal a backhoe, dig some pits in a bean field and cover the pit openings with debris? Trapdoor spiders hunt this way so it must be cool to imitate them, right?

One could still shoot survivors from the top of the pit using *any* legal caliber and have an almost guaranteed one shot kill. Spikes are always optional in a pit trap.

Cause its not legal.

Enemy of hunting? Hardly. The folks who most endanger hunting are those who make it look like shooting fish in barrel. Hunting gets banned in two usual ways: One is that population density rises too much to make it worthwhile or "safe" to the general public. Second, yahoos go on and make videos and tell stories that portray hunting as an "effort" where some dude in a tree blows away his buck in a hungry herd of thirty or so animals from 60 yards away with a .300 WSM, a "hunt" that took about three hours and looks/sounds as challenging as corraling the buck and shooting him from the fence.

Cougar and bear hunting with dogs was banned in Oregon by popular vote because hunters themselves had made numerous videos that made it look as easy as loosing some radio collared dogs and then showing up on foot or horseback to the appropriate tree and making a [sarc]tremendously difficult 35 to 40 foot shot.[/sarc]

Certainly there is a lot of effort in the proper training and care of the dogs and it takes some measure of skill to show up timely at the right tree to humanely take the animal, but it certainly never looks like a "fair" match-up.

IOW, it was banned because it appeared to be unsporting.

Nope people were not informed or educated. Whos fault is that?

IOW, it was banned because it appeared to be unsporting.

Appeared:banghead: Lets make sure we dont offend anyone:what:

Guys who want a guaranteed result with a minimum of fuss already have a place to get their meat
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May be I missed it but didnt see or read anything about a guarantee.

And the guys who pop off about buying a 4-8k ATV to fill the freezer with "cheap meat" need a lesson in economics
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Missed that one too.
 
CSA, two words about hunting off the ground, shooting stix. I love 'em. Killed the best buck I've ever shot off them while sitting on a flat rock overlooking a dry wash out in west Texas. You might say I was using a natural elevated stand, unethical???? 150 yard shot and the hold was rock solid. I don't leave home without 'em if there's any chance I'll be shooting off the ground. Great with a Contender, too.
 
Some people think they know everything, and that the way they do things is the only way it should be done. People used to mind their own business. Now they think they need to impose their will on everyone else.
 
Boats,
I would challenge you to come down to South Louisiana and hunt deer your way. You would be singing a different tune, and treestand shopping, in no time! The many reasons for treestand hunting have been mentioned throughout this thread but here is a re-cap of the best ones (IMO):
1.) Safety. When hunting on public land, I like to be way up above the ground before daylight.
2.) Terrain. Being able to see anything past 15-20 yards is a huge plus.
3.) Tradition. I'm 43 yrs. old, and grew up hunting from climbing, and ladder stands. Most all of the deer I have taken in my life (28) have been taken from tree stands with archery, handgun, rifle, and muzzleloader.
My first deer was taken with a shotgun and buckshot while walking/scouting. I also took the best deer of my life (157+ green score) on a Central Texas ranch hunt, driving around in a jeep with the guide, looking for the specific deer that I shot. I am much prouder of much lesser deer that I have hunted using my climber treestand. But, you must realize, for me it is a much different hunt than what you imagine; in your mind it is easy, a lazy man's hunt. I do use an ATV, or boat where I can. But, where I park the ATV or boat is where the work starts. I pack in from there with my day pack, rifle/bow, and climber on my back and walk for sometimes as much as an hour from that point, sometimes with chest waders to cross slough's over waist deep. And I'm not talking about hunting over bait either. I'm talking about hunting deer on their turf, using a lifetime of skill in finding and knowing where to place my stand for the best chance to see and get a decent shot at an animal. And, maybe I just don't have access to the deer rich areas some people get to hunt, but, believe me, there are no guarantees. My tag goes unfilled way more times than I am successful. But hey, that's hunting.
 
For some time now I've been advocating the end to hunting seasons. Yep. No more. I say we close all the "hunting" seasons and open up "harvesting" seasons. Because then the turd with the land and the money doesn't get to look down his nose at Joe Blow because Joe Blow can't afford a horse, trailer, truck and a trip to MT every year to hunt spot and stalk "properly".

I took my first buck with the truck door as my rest. This year I'm gonna use my .357mag pistol. I suppose one is ok and one isn't. Well whatever, in America I don't have to justify myself to the liberals. I hunt legal and I hunt safe.

Boats seems to think that the govt gives us the right to hunt and that the right is based on sport. THR is dedicated to discussing personal issues of liberty, I believe we need to educate him on just what that means.
 
Well personally I use a range finder and bino's and thats about it, I have a GPS and compass with map to get me back to camp. Where I hunt its not close range for deer its 250+ usually and I do not want to spook the animal with several shots especially when I have the technology avaible to accurately get the range and then be more effective in using my boon and crocket scope. hunting for me is expensive because I choose not to hunt in my home state thuse the out of state fees are high so I want an assured kill if I find me a deer!
 
Boats, Since you are such a highly ethical hunter, a prime example of what we should all aspire to be, (and I am a lowly jackass who uses atv, stands, and get this: I even use a GUN!) how about enlighting us unethical morons to the REAL WAY all of us should be hunting. And while your at it, would you please explain all the things we should not own, and where I should get my venison and turkey meat. (Cabelas seems so high, to me.) And I wish to apologize to you that I have spent my money on a house with 50 acres of land, an atv, a hunting license, guns, knives, bows, ladder stands and reloading equipment. You have proven your intelligence so well that I am going to sell all I have except my video camer. I am going to get me a pointed stick and have someone film me killing a deer with that pointed stick. Surely after everyone watches the video of me sticking that poor deer over and over and beating it in the head with both of us drenched in blood, and the thing struggling for its life and bleating that pitiful bleat, they will surely see how hunting is supposed to be, and that it definately isn't easy. After all, like you said, that is what is important.
 
Well
Here's another one of those threads the ethical hunters of America need like a thumb in the eye.

Some people think they know everything, and that the way they do things is the only way it should be done. People used to mind their own business. Now they think they need to impose their will on everyone else.

Couldn't have said it better.

Boats,
You're not gonna pull a Zumbo on us are you?:)

What is the "sport" in using a tree stand?

I use a tree stand for the same reason I wear blaze organge, namely to keep from being shot by one of the Daniel Boone-wanabes that all too common where I hunt. Frankly I like stalking and I've had more luck that way but I like not being shot even more.

If you are fortunate enough to safely and successfully stalk deer on foot count yourself lucky but stop castigating the ethical hunters here of THR that use tree stands (also please add ground blinds, shooting houses and pop-ups). Self education is a wonderful thing and very worthwhile in-and-of itself.

Best,
S-
 
Well, Boats, I think you're all wrong. My plans for the future are to live in a very remote place (a.k.a., the "bush") in Alaska. Basically, I'll be on my own as far as food goes. I'll obviously have a large garden to grow whatever I can. I'll raise chickens, likely, but the amount of land I can afford there would not be good for keeping larger animals on, feeding them all winter, etc. No way could 5 acres or so support larger animals like cows, plus my large garden, etc., up there given the sort of soil and climate there is. Just gardening alone will be a tricky endeavor in the Interior because of unpredictable early/late frosts. Growing grain is hit or miss there and very iffy. So, I'll let nature raise my meat and fish for me, it does a good job of it. You think I'll care about any sort of "sport" in hunting and fishing? Nope, I'll probably enjoy it to some degree, but it'll be entirely about the meat and fish, for survival. Like I said before, people shouldn't be so quick to judge and condemn others' actions. I'm not judgemental towards those who view hunting and fishing as just a sport and nothing necessary for survival, though one could certainly make some sort of argument against them, if you're so inclined. I'm not. And I don't expect others to judge my views of hunting/fishing as somehow "unethical" because I''ll use any and all legal means of getting the prey in the future.
 
Congratulations, guys. You go to calling names and all that low road stuff, and there's no discussion; it's just insults.

Might as well be L&Pee.

I'm saving the URL of this thread for future reference about behavior. Be advised...

:(, Art
 
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