What it takes to introduce a new powder (ADI)

[Rule3]

This is just a portion of what they need to go through
For those that do not know ADI makes several powders distributed by Hodgdon Yes, several are the exact powder. the chart show "equivalents" So no need to banter about that

http://www.adi-powders.com.au/2019/12/04/aps650-and-aps950-progress-update/

 

[ElGuero]

A brutal process, to be sure.

I work for a large diagnostic instrument company. The two groups with whom you never want to deal: Legal, and Regulatory. They slow everything down, and appear not to care about deadlines.

I’d bet ADI feels a similar pain.

 

[Jim Watson]

Wow, they have been working on that for years.

 

[rskent]

And after all that, the hard part starts. They have to convince me that I have a reason to change powders.

 

[Jim Watson]

They may already have. Do you load any of the Clays series?

 

[forrest r]

They may already have. Do you load any of the Clays series?

Yes clays and clays international?

 

[Jim Watson]

They are now made by IMR Canada; Hodgdon shifted sources when ADI announced they were changing powders in that burn range.
So while it is close enough to use the same data, it is not the same powder.

 

[rskent]

Nope

 

[MZ5]

They are now made by {General Dynamics} Canada; Hodgdon shifted sources when {Thales} announced they were changing powders in that burn range.
So while it is close enough to use the same data, it is not the same powder.

Clarified it for everyone. ;-)

 

[Jim Watson]

True, Gendye is no longer calling the Valleyfield plant IMR, apparently their products don't become IMR until Hodgdon applies the label.
But ADI is a division of Australian Munitions which is a business of Thales. Their powder is still ADI from the mill to the shelf even though two layers down in the conglomerate. So I think ADI is clearer to the user. In Australia, at least.

I'm not shopping for General Dynamics Olsen Process powder, either. Winchester Ball or Hodgdon Spherical is what I see.

 

[MZ5]

Sure, I don’t think it makes sense for anyone to call the plant “IMR,” simply because that plant produces powder that is labeled as IMR, Accurate, I think Hodgdon (not certain at the moment), and other. I was thinking that GD had purchased the plant either directly from DuPont, or _maybe_ from a Canadian company that held it rather short-term in between those two. Perhaps you can tell me better?

As for ADI, I understand the Aussies are proud of it and I‘m sure they have good reason to have been, but as far as I’m concerned they sold it to France so it’s Thales.

 

[Jim Watson]

I THINK Valleyfield was once called IMR, probably before Hodgdon bought up IMR of New York. DuPont quit making smokeless ca 1976 without publicizing the move of IMR production to Canada. Ed Harris said the powder was not the same.

I understand the French Horror of ADI. Frogs bought up my favourite brand of whiskey, too.

 

[FROGO207]

Somehow I feel I am getting the short end of the stick!!