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Big Boys toys ,If it makes you happy ,what the hell buy it.
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The kind of twit that I beat all the time
with my $400, used Spld "loaded", because of the 5000 rds of practice 9mm that I got for the difference in price!
Suddeness from the rig (at 5 yds and less) wins nearly every time, all other things being equal. Nothing about the gun matters for that sort of work, beyond the very basic mods. Nothing about pistol combat allows you to tell the difference between a gun that "only" groups 10" at 50 yds, or one that groups 2" at that distance.
Dont kid yourself. When you are being shot at, in poor light, by a moving, cover-using man, with a true carry gun, and no ear protection, you can easily miss the head at 5 ft, the chest at 10 ft, and the entire man at 5 yds, and do so repeatedly, regardless of what pistol and load you have, or who you are. I've seen it happen with world class competitors, in nice light, on stationary targets, with earmuffs and match gear, with noone trying to kill them.
with my $400, used Spld "loaded", because of the 5000 rds of practice 9mm that I got for the difference in price!
Suddeness from the rig (at 5 yds and less) wins nearly every time, all other things being equal. Nothing about the gun matters for that sort of work, beyond the very basic mods. Nothing about pistol combat allows you to tell the difference between a gun that "only" groups 10" at 50 yds, or one that groups 2" at that distance. Dont kid yourself. When you are being shot at, in poor light, by a moving, cover-using man, with a true carry gun, and no ear protection, you can easily miss the head at 5 ft, the chest at 10 ft, and the entire man at 5 yds, and do so repeatedly, regardless of what pistol and load you have, or who you are. I've seen it happen with world class competitors, in nice light, on stationary targets, with earmuffs and match gear, with noone trying to kill them.
Fiveshooter
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"What kind of man will pay five or six thousand dollars ($6000.00 American!) for a "custom" 1911??"
All I know is he would have more money to spend than me.
All I know is he would have more money to spend than me.
Politically Incorrect
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IF (and that's a BIG "if") I would pay $6000 for a 1911, then I sure wouldn't put a $15 box of ammo through it. I would insist on gold plated casings and platinum jacketed exploding hollow points.
cardboardkiller
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$6,000 for a 1911? No. For two? Yeah. I'm not gonna bash anyone for spending that kind of money on a pistol, anyone who does is forgetting one thing, they are buying a gun. I've got about $3500 in my the last blaster I purchased, I know it is not for everyone, but I wanted it. I'd equate it to going out and spending 45 or 50 grand on a vehicle, unless your working out of it, you don't need it, but who always buys what they need? If we all bought what we needed, we'd still be living like people in 3rd world countries.
Exactly. I don't understand how people on this thread act like a guy that can easily purchase a 6K pistol won't have enough left over for ammo or other guns. If one made enough money, one could buy 10 $6K pistols and 20K of practice ammo with no problem. Plus a Windrunner with Raptor NVD and US Optics, plus a AWM .338LM, etc. etc. If you have the cash, basic utility isn't really a consideration. Now if you make say $15K/year and you buy a $6K pistol, you're off your rocker!
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Exactly Mr. Flory!
Which is why would anyone put lowly ammo made of brass and lead through it?
And if you have that much money, why not hire your own armed security guard like Rosie does.
And just think with that much cash laying around you could hire someone to load your own magazines and clean the gun after you're done playing!
If you could see what kinds of people order custom guns from some of the top-notch pistolsmiths you'd see why they don't mind spending $6K on a single firearm. Celebrities, trial lawyers, CEO's, you name it all order high-end custom guns. They probably don't carry or shoot them either. Instead they likely go into the glass case next to the high-priced English double shotguns and specially-accurized bolt guns with exotic wood stocks.
I say to each his own. I just shake my head when somebody thinks you HAVE to have at least a $2000 custom gun to be considered a serious defensive handgunner. I have carried mil-spec 1911s many times and will continue to do so. What's good enough for G.I. Joe is good enough for me, as I really don't need to be just like Mike (Dalton).
I say to each his own. I just shake my head when somebody thinks you HAVE to have at least a $2000 custom gun to be considered a serious defensive handgunner. I have carried mil-spec 1911s many times and will continue to do so. What's good enough for G.I. Joe is good enough for me, as I really don't need to be just like Mike (Dalton).
blades67
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The monied kind.
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Aside from making up a counter-factual number just as a straw man to beat on, this whole topic is still stupid. You want better, you can afford better, you get better. How much better? Depends on what you mean by "better." Why does my buddy drive a turbo Ferrari? Why does a 500 lb gorilla do ANYTHING?
BECAUSE THEY CAN.
BECAUSE THEY CAN.
isaidme
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There is no gun worth that much!rifle,machine gun,semi etc.Even if I was bill gates I wouldnt spend it!!!
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H&K PSG 1 with all the goodies is some where around 10,000 if I recall correctly.
Barret 50 caliber rifles all run into a lot of dollars.
How much do some people spend on shotguns for trap or skeet?
What do quality double rifles and drillings run? 20 - 30 thousand plus dollars
I think it is all relative, if you have the money and are used to spending large sums on an almost everday basis, then 6000 may not seem out of the ordinary.
Barret 50 caliber rifles all run into a lot of dollars.
How much do some people spend on shotguns for trap or skeet?
What do quality double rifles and drillings run? 20 - 30 thousand plus dollars
I think it is all relative, if you have the money and are used to spending large sums on an almost everday basis, then 6000 may not seem out of the ordinary.
dacinokc
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sorry to admit it, but I have paid that much for long guns in the past.
And to me, it is worth it for the gun I own.
I have not paid that much for a sidearm yet, but would never rule it out.
Very high end anything cost money. Those who have identified the fact are quite right to say it makes the shooter any better.
For me the major pleasure of firearms is the pleasure of collecting. To that end unusual or unique or rare firearms do cost money. A nice handtooled shotgun will take an amazing number of hours to produce, and the engravers time is not free.
For a nice custom 1911 I have paid up to 3.5K, and once again sorry guys, but I like my investment. The gunsmiths time is worth it, and a great many of the upper end in custom gunsmiths are akin to artist to me.
Someone has also pretty sharply identified the fact that if one is lucky enough to have higher income, and is wise enough to not use it all to support the external trappings of wealth, then they just might have more desposible income to in thier budget. It is a realitive to the budget kind of thing. We live in a modest three bedroom house that is paid for, and I drive a decent mazda, not a bmw or mercedes. We don't go wanting for food or electricity.
I am a widower with a seven year old, and she always comes first- her education, extra curicular activities, and her college fund come way way before any toys for dad.
So flame away if you must, but I personally feel pretty comfortable with the choices I make, and just don't feel the need to rationalize them....
And to me, it is worth it for the gun I own.
I have not paid that much for a sidearm yet, but would never rule it out.
Very high end anything cost money. Those who have identified the fact are quite right to say it makes the shooter any better.
For me the major pleasure of firearms is the pleasure of collecting. To that end unusual or unique or rare firearms do cost money. A nice handtooled shotgun will take an amazing number of hours to produce, and the engravers time is not free.
For a nice custom 1911 I have paid up to 3.5K, and once again sorry guys, but I like my investment. The gunsmiths time is worth it, and a great many of the upper end in custom gunsmiths are akin to artist to me.
Someone has also pretty sharply identified the fact that if one is lucky enough to have higher income, and is wise enough to not use it all to support the external trappings of wealth, then they just might have more desposible income to in thier budget. It is a realitive to the budget kind of thing. We live in a modest three bedroom house that is paid for, and I drive a decent mazda, not a bmw or mercedes. We don't go wanting for food or electricity.
I am a widower with a seven year old, and she always comes first- her education, extra curicular activities, and her college fund come way way before any toys for dad.
So flame away if you must, but I personally feel pretty comfortable with the choices I make, and just don't feel the need to rationalize them....
Schuey2002
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I'd pay $6K for any H&K machine/submachine gun or Sig 550/551 if I had the money...
Have you seen the going rates on these pups??
farscott
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A Slightly Different View
While I have never spent $6,000 on a handgun, I have spent around $2,000 on custom gunsmithing on a 1911. The thing that always gets me is the price of the gun, in the long run, is a small part of the total cost of ownership, assuming one shoots the thing.
As an example, say a centerfire handgun is shot with 50 rounds once a week. This is not a lot of rounds and many of us shoot far more than this. Assume that these fifty rounds cost only $5.00 (the cheapest number I can see working with handloading for these volumes). In a year of shooting only a few rounds of the cheapest ammo, the cost is $250 (I assumed only fifty weeks of shooting instead of 52). In five years of shooting, the ammo cost is $1,250. If the ammo is cheap factory ammo (assume $10.00 per box of fifty), and 100 rounds a week are used, the yearly ammo cost is $1,000. In five years of shooting, the ammo cost for this scenario is $5,000. The above numbers are not meant to be exact; however, I think they can give an idea about how small the cost of the gun is in total shooting experience.
All of a sudden, the price of the gun becomes only a small part of the total ownership experience, and we have not even begun to discuss things like the costs of safes, cleaning equipment, holsters, belts, extra magazines, targets, insurance, range time, etc. As a result, I really tend to pay more attention to lowering my recurring costs (like ammo, cleaning supplies, targets, etc.) than my one-time outlays like the gun itself.
While I have never spent $6,000 on a handgun, I have spent around $2,000 on custom gunsmithing on a 1911. The thing that always gets me is the price of the gun, in the long run, is a small part of the total cost of ownership, assuming one shoots the thing.
As an example, say a centerfire handgun is shot with 50 rounds once a week. This is not a lot of rounds and many of us shoot far more than this. Assume that these fifty rounds cost only $5.00 (the cheapest number I can see working with handloading for these volumes). In a year of shooting only a few rounds of the cheapest ammo, the cost is $250 (I assumed only fifty weeks of shooting instead of 52). In five years of shooting, the ammo cost is $1,250. If the ammo is cheap factory ammo (assume $10.00 per box of fifty), and 100 rounds a week are used, the yearly ammo cost is $1,000. In five years of shooting, the ammo cost for this scenario is $5,000. The above numbers are not meant to be exact; however, I think they can give an idea about how small the cost of the gun is in total shooting experience.
All of a sudden, the price of the gun becomes only a small part of the total ownership experience, and we have not even begun to discuss things like the costs of safes, cleaning equipment, holsters, belts, extra magazines, targets, insurance, range time, etc. As a result, I really tend to pay more attention to lowering my recurring costs (like ammo, cleaning supplies, targets, etc.) than my one-time outlays like the gun itself.
Admiral Thrawn
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Well, i'm serious about buying the Springfield Armory 1911-A1 Professional Model, which happens to be US $2400...
However I wouldn't contemplate spending much more than that on a handgun...
However I wouldn't contemplate spending much more than that on a handgun...
Sean Smith
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buttrap,
Get over yourself. Not everyone buys an expensive gun because they are on some kind of ego trip.
Get over yourself. Not everyone buys an expensive gun because they are on some kind of ego trip.
dacinokc
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actually I use my 3500.00 1911 as my primary carry gun...
I don't "carry" the overunder shotguns though, they are hard to conceal
I do shoot a couple of them at the skeet range though....
And I like cleaning my own guns! Besides my own weird sense of pleasure from breaking them down and cleaning them, there are very few folks in the world I would trust to clean a gun for me that I might have my life depend upon someday....
I don't "carry" the overunder shotguns though, they are hard to conceal
I do shoot a couple of them at the skeet range though....
And I like cleaning my own guns! Besides my own weird sense of pleasure from breaking them down and cleaning them, there are very few folks in the world I would trust to clean a gun for me that I might have my life depend upon someday....
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