Not all stirred up, just surprised by the lack of knowledge. Then using that lack of knowledge to make false statements, false assumptions with no proof & educimicatted guesses trying to pass them off as fact. Slow 1200fps 6"+ 5-shot groups @ 100yds from 2013 (hand picked/cherry picked/best group) really doesn't impress me. Have to dig out some of my old IHMSA loads & do a little head to head testing with lube VS pc. Nor does the fact that the people posting things like coating & bullet imbalance can't get a rifle bullet to go over 2000fps accurately. 2000+fps plinking loads 10-shot group @ 100yds/MOA accuracy using imbalanced pc'd bullets. Heck that's nothing more than blammo ammo/blasting ammo using rifle bullets cast from a cheap lee 6-cavity mold using range scrap that has been pc'd.
This years goal is to develop 2750+fps loads using cast/pc'd bullets that will do 1 1/2" or less for 10-shot groups @ 100yds. The lee tl/pc'd bullet started giving up the ghost when pushed over 2650fps+. That 2679fps load is right at 1 1/2".
Perhaps 35 whelen will tell everyone about his new and improved 2000+fps highpower loads using traditional cast/lubed/perfectly balanced bullets??? Last I knew he was stuck in the +/- 1850fps range doing 2" 5-shot groups @ 100yds with his cast/lubed/perfectly balanced bullets.
Yup, I have no idea why someone would want a to use flat shooting high velocity soft nosed bullet in a high powered rifle.
Alloy Alloy Alloy That's what makes the cast bullet world go round.
The op is just starting out & will find that ww's are getting harder to find. To make them (ww's) go further a lot of people are using a 50/50 ww/pure lead alloy for low pressure loads like the 38spl & 45acp. I think it fantastic that he wants to learn how to lube bullets. Hopefully he will also want to learn to pc bullets too.
Myself, I highly recommend the op do both lube & pc and do head to head testing. The op will find that pc'd bullets are not alloy dependent, will have higher velocities and it will be easier to find accurate loads with them. Anyone that knows/understands the mechanics of cast bullets will know and understand why a cast/pc'd bullets will be accurate over a vastly wider range of variations that traditional cast/lubed bullets couldn't even begin to do.
There's nothing wrong with head to head testing. I encourage anyone to do both lube & pc cast bullets and do a bunch of tests. I'm not saying pc'd bullets are more accurate than traditionally lubed bullets. I can say with 100% certainty that you will find that pc'd bullets will easily deliver a larger # of accurate loads when doing head to head testing.
How hard is it??? Set a standard for accuracy 3/4" @50ft, 1 1/2"@25yds, 3" @ 50yds, 6" @100yds whatever floats your boat. Do ladder tests with lubed VS pc and see which bullet delivers the most loads for the accuracy standard being tested.
I'm glad the op is getting into casts. Why anyone wouldn't try to find/use 1 alloy for all their shooting needs is beyond me. The op has to lube the cast bullets somehow. Why not use a product that's clean, keeps the firearms clean, doesn't foul the bbl, isn't alloy depend, isn't affected by heat/storage, cheaper & easier to setup/use.
I really don't care how anyone cast/lube's/sizes their bullets. Myself I use traditional luber/sizers, tumble lube, pc & pc + tumble lube. Just depends on what I'm doing with the bullets & how the bullet design fits the chamber/cylinders/throat/leade of the firearm being used.
