What would you think about a "gunsmith" who mounted a scope on a common...

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bolt action hunting rifle and the objective lens end of the scope was touching the barrel?

I want some of my barrels threaded for suppressor but I don't trust this guy.
 
^ thanks. I mount my own stuff but I don't thread barrels. I was with father in law this weekend when he introduced me to this guy. I didn't know if I was being overly critical or not.
 
Barrel threading is a detail oriented job and I'd want to be sure that the smith knew what he was doing. Something like a scope touching the barrel is small but doesn't speak well to his attention to detail. However, to play devils advocate, sometimes customers bring in the parts and say "use these no matter what" and they might be the ones who were responsible for choosing the wrong part...

Anyway, I wouldn't risk screwing up a suppressor if I didn't trust the guy cutting on the barrel. I'd search around some more for the threading service.
 
However, to play devils advocate, sometimes customers bring in the parts and say "use these no matter what" and they might be the ones who were responsible for choosing the wrong part...

Those are the ones you offer the option of signing a waiver specifying the situation, or the door. Most choose the door, bye bye!

I learned a long time ago; Never do substandard work for those who insist on it. If you must, get a signed waiver.
 
If the scope is actually touching the barrel, then you need to remove it immediately, and absolutely do not turn any knobs before you do so. Hopefully the rings have held the erector assembly rigid enough that nothing was damaged so far. Proper scope mounting is the biggest factor in determining that scope's lifespan. If this is his idea of mounting a scope, then I would just assume that he didn't lap the rings or even check that they were concentric.

I have a similar story. I bought a scope at the LGS one time, and they offered me free mounting included in the price. When I got it back, everything looked fine, but years and years later I moved it to a different rifle, and it had a big old nasty scar on it. Those were the most uneven rings I've ever seen, and no evidence of lapping whatsoever. I now do all my own gunsmithing. I've not had the occasion to need machine work yet, so that has not been an issue for me.

The sad truth about most gunsmiths is that they're more along the lines of armorers than true smiths. A true gunsmith is a rare commodity because it requires a huge amount of training and experience to do well, especially now with the advent of CNC in gun manufacturing, making it hard to work on factory guns and even harder to improve them. When you can get a half MOA bolt rifle for 500 bucks, what's the motivation anymore for buying a custom rifle from a smith? And in turn what's the motivation for a gunsmith to learn real gunsmithing when 99% of his job is installing accessories and replacing worn parts with factory ones?

Moral of the story, I would send out the barrel to a real machine shop. There are places online that are recommended, but I don't know the names. Someone else will I'm sure. And of course have someone else check for alignment before you shoot the can.
 
I was eating lunch with another engineer for 4 years.
We were bailing out a company that had signed a contract to provide a starter generator for jet engine program, and were in default. We had to detect phase and speed from back emf.
So at lunch we argued about life.... especially investing. Every conversation eventually got down to how you model trust.
I have a more conventional model that trust builds slowly and falls fast, and is best played with small risks at first.
Most people invest trust this way, and it can be gamed in poker. You should be less predictable in an adversarial system.
But the other guy, while smart at motor control and r&d, modelled trust as everyone starts out with trust, and then if they betray it, they never get any again.
Since I quit the biz in 2008, I have remained all in on investments, especially Google and Amazon. They other guy messed with oil futures, Gold, and mostly cash. He still has to work. I made more money in last 7 years not working than in 30 years of hard work.
What does it all mean? Trust is like love. You can't win taking all chances or none. You must be judicious where you take a chance.
Would I give the rifle back to the gunsmith and give him a chance to use taller rings? Probably. But I would show it to him, and then read him like a poker game.
 
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Scope lens touching barrel ?
I wouldn't go back to that guy especially since that is such an easy fix.
Threading muzzle end? That takes some degree of skill but a skilled machinist can do it.
I did several while I was still employed !
 
Scope lens touching barrel ?
I wouldn't go back to that guy especially since that is such an easy fix.
Threading muzzle end? That takes some degree of skill but a skilled machinist can do it.
I did

Also depends on why you are wanting to thread your barrel. I would much rather have a set of scope rings just slapped on a rifle than having someone just thread the end of a barrel for a suppressor.

In this case indicating off the bore in a 4 jaw is more important than lapping rings.
 
Also depends on why you are wanting to thread your barrel. I would much rather have a set of scope rings just slapped on a rifle than having someone just thread the end of a barrel for a suppressor.

All that is needed is a higher mount base achieved either with a commercial base or with shims.
Threading for suppressors:
I made a set of aluminum soft jaws that I taper bored as per the barrel taper.
On the back end of the headstock. I inserted wooden wedges for obvious reasons.
In all cases, barrel/ bore concentricity was not important as the bore of the suppressor was large enough!
 
"Scope lens touching barrel ?"

Many years ago I encountered one "smith's" solution, a nice big half moon ground out of the barrel and cold blued. Oddly, the rifle was extremely accurate, and I sort of wondered if I should maybe grind other barrels the same way.

Jim
 
"Scope lens touching barrel ?"

Many years ago I encountered one "smith's" solution, a nice big half moon ground out of the barrel and cold blued. Oddly, the rifle was extremely accurate, and I sort of wondered if I should maybe grind other barrels the same way.

Jim
I've heard of EVERYTHING now!!
 
I always wanted the scope down on the barrel as closely as possible so long as the stock would accomodate a good cheek weld and view down the optics. Touching would be a 'no-no'...UNLESS it was JUST making contact without pressure of any kind. This would be the perfect mounting where 0-0 contact is made which uses up all clearance but doesn't actually load the rings in the slightest.

So...instead of busting the guys chops...that might be the finest mounting job ever done!:) Guess it depends on the stock and if there seemed to be a need to have it down as low as possible. Of course...if the scope is being pressed against the barrel that's no good at all and investigation is warranted.

When the scope bell is hovering over a sloping barrel surface, the farther you pull it back the closer it gets. If the sight picture needed it pulled back to a very light contact I see nothing wrong with that.....but needing to dig out a clearance notch seems a bit ham-handed but there might be more to the story that made doing that more understandable. Like maybe the rings used were unavailable in the next higher size or the like, and they just made do with what they had.
 
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