What...?

[LawDog]

Okay, this one is new to me.

I brought a critter before the judge today for setting fire to a pump-jack that didn't belong to him.

During the course of his ramblings, he announced to the judge that the court didn't have any jurisdiction over his case because he was -- and I quote --

...a libertarian socialist...

I blew this off as a raving of a spoiled rich-kid college student who's never had to work a day in his life and whose parents didn't box his ears at the approriate time and chucked his little fire-bug self back into holding.

Now, libertarian-socialist is one of those word combinations that tends to stick out in your mind, so when I got home, just as an experiment, I put Libertarian-socialist into Google.

Folks, I begin to wonder if it's not time to grab some pitch-forks, a couple of dozen torches, bit of rope, an irate mob or two, and start razing some Universities.

Bliss-ninnies! They're everywhere!

When did high-level colleges stop educating and start brain-washing? Hmm? Anyone with two functioning neurons to rub together -- much less a college degree -- ought to be capable of looking at this drek that's being spewed and yell, "Oh, Bull-hockey!"

Look. It's simple. Libertarian is a philosophy that places the rights of the individual as paramount. Socialism is a philosophy that states that the rights of the individual are subordinate to the needs of the society.

A libertarian-socialist is like a sterile-pregnant woman. Cold-heat. Honest-politicians.

Am I the only person who can't wrap his mind around the concept of socialist libertarians?

Great Googly-Moogly, my kids aren't going to be allowed anywhere near a college.

LawDog

 

[Bruce H]

When he told the judge he didn't have jurisdiction the judge should have shot him right there. Give the little twerp an object lesson.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I can actually semi-conceive of the concept, since I myself am a strictly constitutionalist libertarian Democrat.

No really....I'm not joking.

But what I really want to know is.....

.....What the heck is a "Pump-Jack"???

And if it is what it sounds like, how do you get one to burn??

 

[NMshooter]

High level colleges have been doing that for a very long time.

So have most of the others.

I have to admit, "libertarian-socalist" is new to me.

I learn something new every day.

:banghead:

 

[Sindawe]

Well LawDog...

Better sit down when you go here. I'm still not sure if they are serious or not.

 

[LawDog]

You toss a jar of something flammable on it, follwed by a road-flare. There's usually enough petroleum by-products in the area to keep the local volunteer fire department busy for a while.

LawDog

 

[Old Fuff]

Ya ...

I want to know how the judge took all of this. I would hope that this "Liberal-tarian" is in the Socialist Lock-up for his misdeeds ... :banghead:

 

[odysseus]

I myself am a strictly constitutionalist libertarian Democrat

Isn't the Democrat part just a party affiliation? If so, how does a lot of what the Democrats support jive with your constituionalist libertarian side?

I can understand the first 2, or are you saying you are for democracy?

 

[LawDog]

Well, according to my math, Bozo the Semi-Articulate Libertarian-Socialist Bipedal-Quadrupedal Reptile-Mammal got about 45 days contempt of court, once fines and stuff are done.

Then he's got a $100,000 bond for arson.

LawDog

 

[PlayTheAces]

We got a guy at work with a similar mind set.

He decided he didn't want to pay for tags for his wheels any longer, so joined an Indian tribe. Think it was a mail order deal.

Gets picked up for no tags and run in. Gives the judge the same line about the U.S. courts having no jurisdiction over him, and flashes his official Indian membership card.

After three days in the jug, he goes back to the judge and agrees to license the car. Apparently one of his fellow lodgers was starting to take a shining to him, and he was getting a tad nervous.

I'll mention the libertarian-socialist gig to him. Might be good for some future entertainment.

 

[NMshooter]

I would hazard a guess the property owner might be willing to explain the finer points of that whole "private property" concept he seems to have trouble with.

Free of charge, of course.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Law Dog--

That's what I thought it was--thanks for confirming. Now the question, of course, is "WHY??". Of course, I'm sure that one has no (reasonable) answer.

Odysseus--

Yes, in fact I do beleive in some of the tennents of the Democratic Party platform. Mostly the "Old Style", fiscally conservative, Southern type Democratic Party ideals....but some of what the current party espouses also.

And, yes, it IS in direct conflict to my Constitutionalist, Libertarian beliefs.

But I'm not an all-or-nothing, black-and-white kind of guy.

I think it's perfectly normal to be rabidly Constitutionalist about the 2nd amendment, rabidly Libertarian about immigration and the "War On Some Drugs" and rabidly Democrat about certain social programs and abortion rights.

Go figure.

(But please don't come argue. I'm weary of defending myself on this board and it would be rude to continue to hijack Mr. LawDog's thread)

 

[Smoke]

Libertarian-socialist

Huh?!

Lawdog,

I've known a few boys to shoot those thangs, never knew anybody that tried to cook one.

Smoke

 

[Chris Rhines]

I've been hearing more and more of this lately. Socialists who think libertarianism is trendy. Makes me scratch my head.

Maybe I'm being pedantic, but torching a pump-jack (is this a common form of entertainment out in West Texas?) seems to go a bit against the whole property rights, non-aggression principle thing. Maybe we don't know the whole story, though. Maybe the pump-jack attacked him. Or maybe it was exploting the workers or something.

- Chris

 

[Jeff]

Libertarian-Socialist

Those two words together are so absurd, it's like he got them from Dr. Seuss, or a line from Lewis Carroll's Jabberwocky.

Now I'm off to the store on my 4-wheeled unicycle.

 

[Barbara]

Our local pet communists also profess to certain libertarian leanings. Which cracked me up at the time, of course.

I'd say he supports gun rights (much more popular with the progressive crowds now that they figured out the government is not *always* your friend) and probably the right to move about freely without having to present identification, and probably some other anarcho-libertarian ideas.

Of course, standing in the garage doesn't make you a car..if he's a socialist, he's a socialist.

 

[Barbara]

You know, I've thought about it and decided one could "theoretically" be a libertarian communist, if communist was defined as joint ownership within a group by free choice.

 

[Stickjockey]

Libertarian-Socialist, hmmmmm...

Okay.

Libertarian=individual liberty is paramount.

Socialist=Government administered equality programs, derogatorily called the "Nanny State."

I think that what he was actually saying was, "I believe that I have the right to do anything I want and the Government has the responsibility to come in afterwards and clean up the mess, so you can't touch me. Nya."

Would have loved to see the look on his face when the Judge gobsmacked him with the 45 days/$100,000 bond thing.

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

Libertarian-Socialist

Those two words together are so absurd, it's like he got them from Dr. Seuss, or a line from Lewis Carroll's Jabberwocky.

Now I'm off to the store on my 4-wheeled unicycle.

Hey, look up! See that? It's me overflying you in my fixed-wing helicopter!

-Jeffrey

 

[LawDog]

Well,

*scratch, scratch*

Best as I could figure out, Libertarian-Socialists believe that private posession of anything is the root of all evil.

The pump-jack got torched because a)the owner of the pump-jack was using the profits of the for his own wants, and not distributing such profits equally among society; b)the owner of the pump-jack was further not paying society for the oil he was pumping out of the ground; and c)damned if I know, because I had to quit talking to him before my brain exploded.

And I haven't heard so much "Revolutionary Comrades", "Oppressed Workers" and "Peoples Revolution" BS since I researched Marxism.

Yack.

LawDog

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

Someone should go into his jail cell and take the guy's clothes away, and also the fillings in his teeth.

Then explain to him that it is selfish and wrong for him to claim this outmoded principle of "ownership" of those things. After all, someone else might need them more than he does! :banghead:

-Jeffrey

 

[WvaBill]

And I haven't heard so much "Revolutionary Comrades", "Oppressed Workers" and "Peoples Revolution" BS since I researched Marxism.

Definitely the basis for an insanity plea.

 

[Preacherman]

Well, based on this dweet's ramblings, and inspired by the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party's Web site (Sindawe, where did you find that? ), I guess I'll have to categorise myself as - lessee now...

I'm a Theist/Deist Transubstantiationalist Rationalist Constitutionalist Libertarian Eschatological Parousial Hedonist!

(Put that in your pipe and smoke it, 'Dog ol' buddy! )

 

[ralphie98]

What the heck is a "Pump-Jack"???

My friends and I used to use the term pump-jack as a nickname for a friend's pontiac Le Mans. This is because he so often needed to pump it up with a jack to fix it, and because it sounds good as a replacement for the word pontiac.

As far as the wacko involved in this case, it sounds like he's digging for some sorta lame excuse for what he did. In reality, he's probably just mad at his dad or something and this was the best outlet for his anger.

 

[Art Eatman]

The easiest way to deal with those who say they don't believe in private property rights: "Yeah, you're right. I'm tired of making house payments, so I'm moving in with you. By the way, what kind of toothbrush do we use?"

, Art