What's so special about a delta elite?

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Saw this at a LGS. Idk much about these except from what I've read they are in 10mm originally made in the 80's and 90's brought back in the 2000's and the new ones are supposed to be $1800 I think yet here sits this one used for $2500 at the LGS. over priced? Or is there something magical about these that I don't know? Not much an automatic guy more into revolvers so that's why I don't have a clue
 
They had a little horse stamped on the side.....
I don't want to step on toes but I personally think the grips are ugly. Just plain black with a little red triangle. And your telling me this is some kinda special edition thing I'm to be excited about? It's not as bad as the guns I've seen with John Wayne's picture on them or stuff like that I suppose
 
I don't want to step on toes but I personally think the grips are ugly. Just plain black with a little red triangle. And your telling me this is some kinda special edition thing I'm to be excited about? It's not as bad as the guns I've seen with John Wayne's picture on them or stuff like that I suppose
Naw...they made a bunch, but they still don't come up for sale all that often. It's a bit of a cult gun.

Full-up 10mm loads were a bit much for the old 1911 design too, leading to shortened service lives.
 
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Saw this at a LGS. Idk much about these except from what I've read they are in 10mm originally made in the 80's and 90's brought back in the 2000's and the new ones are supposed to be $1800 I think yet here sits this one used for $2500 at the LGS. over priced? Or is there something magical about these that I don't know? Not much an automatic guy more into revolvers so that's why I don't have a clue
My Tacicool shop got a New Product Delta Elo for $1150. It’s been there for a ling time. My brother has that original one you showed, and it’s a GREAT SHOOTER! He bought his in the 90’s
 
They're rare and cool. Nothing special other than there were very few 10mm 1911 options at the time.
The Delta Elite was the first 10mm semiauto marketed by a major manufacturer. The Bren Ten was the first 10mm but the company didn't last. Until S&W came out with the 1006, the Delta was the only 10mm available after D&D went bankrupt
 
A Colt Combat Elite has a blued slide and stainless frame. Three dot sights were not on the standard models but were on the Combat Elite. The front of the frame had grooves, the magazine well was ported. At the time, Colt claimed that all Government Models would shoot within 3.5 inches at 25 yards, the Gold Cup was 3.0 inches. The Combat Elite was in the 3.5 inch group category. I took the stock pistol to IPSC matches and it jammed. A gunsmith competitor told me there was a burr around the firing pin hole. I removed that, either with a big drill bit, or a dremel tool. After that the pistol fed correctly. It was not unusual for manufacturing defects to show up on period new Colts, and it was common knowledge that new 1911’s, regardless of maker, had to be fired enough, to find and fix problems, before the pistol could be trusted for function.

My Combat Elite was defective from the factory: it unlocked early. Because of early unlock the slide recoiled excessively and drove the recoil guide hard into the frame. The recoil guide peened the frame. I sent it back to Colt after 3000 rounds. My first couple of hundred rounds were ball equivalent loads, so I kept on cutting the loads and increasing the recoil spring strength, and yet this defective M1911 kept on peening the frame. All my efforts just reduced the rate of peening. . Colt replaced the frame but upon receipt of the “fixed” Combat Elite, I found that hard recoil was still going on. The warranty was going to run out soon, so I sent the Combat Elite to Wilson Arms.

I paid Wilson Arms to mill the slide for a “melted Bomar”, install a black front sight. My Combat Elite came with a three dot iron sight set. I also paid for the beavertail, a new Wilson match barrel, trigger job, new hammer, and asked for slide tightening. I was on a waiting list for a year, maybe two, and once the pistol was received, the work was completed quickly. Everything came back right, Wilson Arms understands the timing of unlock, the pistol does not have the excessive slide speeds that were pounding the frame with the Colt Barrel.

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Several times the firing pin plunger dropped down on my Colt Combat Elite. I don’t understand what conditions caused this, to remove the plunger for cleaning I have to remove the firing pin stop and pull the extractor rearward. That creates the clearance for the plunder to drop, but with all the parts installed, I don’t understand how the plunger drops, or why it does not drop all the time. But drop it has.

When the plunger drops during firing, the slide won’t go fully forward, and it takes time to puzzle out the failure mechanism as the plunger is underneath the slide. To clear, I dropped the magazine, walked over to a table, placed the pistol butt up, and then had to find a pointy thing, (chop sticks will work!) and pushed the firing pin in, while pressing up on the plunger. Two chop sticks are needed for this. This failure mode effectively puts the pistol out of action, which is OK if you are punching paper, but would be catastrophic in an emergency situation.

Colts of this period got out the door with factory defects. A bud of mine had a Colt limited edition “Tactical” series 80 model, with a factory ring in the barrel. Must have been done while cutting the recoil lugs.

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Have to remember the philosophy of the times, as expressed by a GM executive: Manufacturing makes it, Marketing sells it, and Customer Service makes it work."

As a comparison, I probably paid a fourth of what I paid for the Colt Combat Elite for my Tisas Service Special, and I have not had any malfunctions caused by factory defects.

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No function problems with this inexpensive 1911 either.

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Pistols are made better today, than in the 1970's or 1980's. We have it good.
 
I had a Bren Ten, an early Delta, and several other 10mm pistols and revolvers afterward. There was absolutely nothing outstanding about my Delta IMHO. It had the typical loosely fitted barrel/slide/frame, poorly supported chamber, etc. The high asking prices are simply because they are ~Colts~. The Force is strong with the Colt name. I didn't keep the Delta, and have never been tempted to acquire another.
 
I saw one of the original stainless versions at an LGS for a cool $1k back in the early 2002 or so. I hemmed and hawed over it but I was young and ultimately couldn't afford it or justify trying to find 10mm ammo, which was a fairly uncommon round at the time.
I did really want it for the sweet grip logo though.
 
They are a gun cult item, one that created a mystique for the gun and gives the owner cachet that goes beyond it’s true value. (Many guns are like this.)

As an example: I recall my office having a supervisor many years ago who was, to be kind, known to embellish his own brand a bit. He was assigned to supervise a different location than the one I worked at so I had never met him, but one day we crossed paths at our HQ office. After introductions, I noticed he was one of the few who carried a stainless 1911 as a duty gun, and his had the black rubber wraparounds with the Delta Elite logo on it. When I saw them, I asked him how he liked the Delta as a duty gun and the 10mm as a duty round, as I wasn’t aware 10mm was approved.

I think he realized pretty quickly that I knew a bit about guns and I wasn’t going to get dazzled by some story or another. He sort of himmed and hawed a bit, then quietly admitted to me that it was a regular Colt Series 80 .45 ACP and he put the DE grips on it to make it look like he carried a DE 10mm. 😒

If I saw one at a price I couldn’t pass up I would buy it. But here in Ca the prices on used Delta Elite’s are inflated beyond the usual asking prices elsewhere, so the odds are pretty slim that I will ever own one.

Stay safe.
 
Naw...they made a bunch, but they still don't come up for sale all that often. It's a bit of a cult gun.

Full-up 10mm loads were a bit much for the old 1911 design too, leading to shortened service lives.

True. There is also some confusion on what beat them to death... the original Norma full-power 10mm ammos, or just a poorly manufactured and assembled pistol? ...or both. I had an '80's era Colt .45ACP... it was junk, but the prancing pony on the side got me all my money back when I sold it for a Springfield.

If you find an original Delta Elite that's unfired, or nearly so, that would be a collectors item.

A lot of people also forget the Delta Elite package they had... that was the Colt Delta Elite 10mm pistol, and a scoped AR-15 with Delta logos on it. I would have to root through some of my old G&A magazines to find the ad for that. Essentially, it was an early '90's Big Pin slabside (no fence) AR H-Bar A2 with a scope and factory cheek riser, with those Delta logos in the grip. I doubt there was anything else to it.
 
Here's my Gold Cup Elite .40 S&W...my info is that ~250 were made. I've shot it quite a bit over the years and it's the most accurate .40 I've ever fired. The stocks on it in the pic are not the originals....too, it came in a Colt Blue Box with the usual accoutrements. I paid $625 back in 1992 and it was the most expensive pistol I'd purchased up to that point. Best Regards, Rod

 
Today, nostalgia etc. But then: what else are you going to buy? The Delta Elite guns were (mostly) things that did not otherwise /exist/ (or at least were only otherwise from very boutique makers so you didn't know they existed or couldn't get them or it was a 3 year wait list). A 10 mm 1911?!?

Like how I have see people mock e.g. the Star PD as one of many compact 1911s, what makes it special? Um... because when you walk into a gun store in 1978, there is nothing remotely like it, nothing nearly as small or light in .45. Got to understand the time frame when things were introduced.
 
Naw...they made a bunch, but they still don't come up for sale all that often. It's a bit of a cult gun.

Full-up 10mm loads were a bit much for the old 1911 design too, leading to shortened service lives.
Well a 1911 can be set up by a custom gunsmith to handle a 10mm as well as any other design. the 1911 design has immense strength if details in geometry and material for critical parts are selected for the task. Precise hand fitting of modern steel parts with attention to geometry that very few gunsmiths ever mastered. They are still out there tho.. A very few semi production guns mimic that work but still need hand fitting
 
True. There is also some confusion on what beat them to death... the original Norma full-power 10mm ammos, or just a poorly manufactured and assembled pistol? ...or both. I had an '80's era Colt .45ACP... it was junk, but the prancing pony on the side got me all my money back when I sold it for a Springfield.

If you find an original Delta Elite that's unfired, or nearly so, that would be a collectors item.

A lot of people also forget the Delta Elite package they had... that was the Colt Delta Elite 10mm pistol, and a scoped AR-15 with Delta logos on it. I would have to root through some of my old G&A magazines to find the ad for that. Essentially, it was an early '90's Big Pin slabside (no fence) AR H-Bar A2 with a scope and factory cheek riser, with those Delta logos in the grip. I doubt there was anything else to it.
Yes!!! Forgot about the Delta Match Target Rifle Sporter- or whatever politically correct thing Colt tried to call it back then.

I actually kinda still want one of those cheek risers for my big-pin gun. Tried to find one a few years ago and no dice. Maybe I'll give Evilbay another looksie 😊
 
The first Delta Elite I saw was around 1989. It was in the holster of a rancher out in west Texas who had a reputation for knowing how to use a handgun. I can't tell you how much I wanted one of those after seeing that. I was about 19 at the time and very impressionable. That weekend we used it to kill quite a few hogs and it worked well. I have always wanted one after that but the price always kept me from getting one. I eventually settled on the Glock 20 for a similar role and it has not let me down.

At this point I'm good with the Glock but the sight of a Delta Elite still evokes strong memories of both the pistol and the pistolero.
 
Full-up 10mm loads were a bit much for the old 1911 design too, leading to shortened service lives.
This was absolute gospel, back in the day. It's likely what led to the initial demise of the 10mm, even though it has since experienced a rebirth.
Frankly, that reputation has always kept me away from the 10.
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Well a 1911 can be set up by a custom gunsmith to handle a 10mm as well as any other design.

Frankly, that reputation has always kept me away from the 10.

Colt's fit and finish wasn't All That back then, so the Delta earned the reputation as too weak for the 10mm. In many ways, Colt pioneered the 1911 10mm... by showing us what NOT to do. Everyone else learned from Colt's mistakes, very likely including Colt.

I still think it's a shame the Bren Ten never succeeded.
 
I had a Bren Ten, an early Delta, and several other 10mm pistols and revolvers afterward. There was absolutely nothing outstanding about my Delta IMHO. It had the typical loosely fitted barrel/slide/frame, poorly supported chamber, etc. The high asking prices are simply because they are ~Colts~. The Force is strong with the Colt name. I didn't keep the Delta, and have never been tempted to acquire another.
My old man loves to say that the Bren Ten was so expensive that Sunny Crockett could only shoot it for the first little bit of Miami Vice 😂
 
Colt's fit and finish wasn't All That back then, so the Delta earned the reputation as too weak for the 10mm. In many ways, Colt pioneered the 1911 10mm... by showing us what NOT to do. Everyone else learned from Colt's mistakes, very likely including Colt.

I still think it's a shame the Bren Ten never succeeded.
Glock doesn't make those 10mm long slide guns anymore either at least I don't think they do
 
no ebay doesn't have any AR stocks. I was looking for a Magpul PRS Lite stock. They've got other accessories but if you search for bittstocks it's a no go.
 
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