Whats the best lie you had a gun seller tell you

[CoRoMo]

That he could acquire whatever firearm that I'd like him to.

 

[Hatterasguy]

That he could acquire whatever firearm that I'd like him to.

Oh, oh, Flak 88, Flak 88 with Afrika Corps markings on it.

 

[Maverick223]

That he could acquire whatever firearm that I'd like him to.

Luger...make that a Luger chambered in .45ACP.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

Walther WA2000

 

[SeekHer]

Well, I do sell for exactly a 10% mark-up over cost price which on a $100.00 item is $111.11 not $110.00 which is cost plus 10%…Remember that my cost price also includes cost of shipping and insurance and any handling charges for the item…If I’m at a gun show the cost of transporting the items there—gas, food, lodging and table cost for the period in question is part of my expenses…

So a $100 price from the wholesale may be selling at the gun show for $250 and still be at 10%…Unless you want me to lose money on everything I sell, go out of business, get on welfare and then you'd really be paying for it through the nose...

 

[halfded]

Or maybe just buy from someone that's willing to write off their cheeseburger and coke as a business expense? Keep your receipts, it should all be tax deductible right?

 

[Maverick223]

Well, I do sell for exactly a 10% mark-up over cost price which on a $100.00 item is $111.11 not $110.00 which is cost plus 10%…

Basic mathematics should be a licensing requirement. :banghead:

 

[LeontheProfessional]

Basic mathmatics should be a licensing requirement.

No joke! lets see, you take 100 multiply it by 1.1 and Wow! you get 110.

 

[gunsandreligion]

My bro told me the other day that he had the gunsmith replace the FP spring on his 870.
I told him I could have done it free and a spring only cost $4. he said the smith told him it was restricted and only gun smiths could do it or some bc.The worst part was the smith took 2 weeks and charged $70 labour.

 

[Acera]

Well I can't say it's a lie, but I found out that I had been lied to about guns on a number of occasions. I had a manager at the pawn shop in Porter Texas set me straight on a number of issues today, and I thank him for it.

I was browsing the rifle rack and noticed a M1903 Springfield on the rack with a straight stock, and sights mounted forward of the receiver. Now this would fit in nicely with the 03-A3 I already have. So I asked the clerk about price.

His response of $2,000.00 caught me a little off guard, and I lost a bit of my composure when I asked if he was kidding. Well the manager was there to set me straight and fill me in on this collector piece.

I had not been handed the rifle yet, and I was only able to see it from across the counter and aisle, but did notice the patchy high gloss stock, and the rubber slip on recoil pad, a real classy touch. And more importantly, the 30-06 written in bold letters on the tag.

The manager informed me that this gun was 100% original! Wow, I thought I have never seen one of those in a pawn shop before and asked to look at it. As the clerk was getting the rifle out of the rack, I inquired to the manager about how is this gun different from those that the CMP sells for $500-600??

This is where I learned a lot about the CMP and guns in general I did not know, thanks to this guy. He informed me that the guns you get from the CMP and at gun shows are reproductions!! Thank goodness I now know that, will save me a lot of money in the future. I asked if it had been through an arsenal rebuild, and was told again it was 100% original and in 30-06! 30-06 wow, that was quite unexpected (I had already forgotten that, even with the tag right there)! This gun is something special. 30-06!!

As I now had this extremely valuable museum quality piece of history in my hand I was able to gaze lovingly at it's finer features. First the gloss finish of the stock is patchy and the surface is rough. Probably because this rifle fought in every war until now, and those MinWax finishes they put on them 100 years ago are supposed to look like that now. The second feature I notice, adding to it's value I am sure is the two tone finish. The receiver has that light browning effect these rifles get as they age on it's smooth surfaces, and the end of the barrel has that gray parkerized finish that is highly desirable. (I never realized that this is what a 100% original is supposed to look like.) I show the clerk the barrel, with a production date in 1944 and let him know that the manager is FOS.

To the clerks credit he asked what I thought it was worth and if I would like the owner to call me when he got in regarding it. I declined, but mentioned I would check back next week. I really want to look at the serial number again, and see if they continue my education.

But I am glad to know those things about gun shows and the CMP. Reproductions who would have thought it.

If you guys want to go appreciate a fine firearm, that is obviously supposed to be in a museum, please stop by and check it out. I am sure the manager will be happy to educate you on the finer points of this old war horse as he did me.

 

[Almond27]

I live in Arizona. We had an ad in the local paper advertising a number of guns including military and "components". A friend went early to look and found them setting up in a three car garage of what appearead to be an empty house. There in front on a table was a dozen or so trigger assembles for an m-14 not an M1 rifle. He looked at those for a minute and then took a better look at the garage. When he spotted the third camera he walked out, after telling everyone in the place he did not appreciate a sting set up. Once in his car he called three of the local retail stores and they started calling others. Took less than 20 minutes and town police chief showed and after looking at the actions asked point blank if those trigger groups could be altered for full auto. He then told them they would show ID or be under arrest for illeagal sales. Two vans came in and loaded all after ID shown and checked. Nothing but a lie from begining to end. If it's too good to be true due to some one else's stupidity, it's probably time to take a reality check and walk away.

blindhari

M14 trigger groups is what I think your referring to and they are not illegal if they were alot of people would be in trouble right now. M14 trigger groups are actually quite collectible and are usually wanted to replace commercial SA trigger groups.

Me I gave up all military firearms when I got out of the Army. I was an armorer 40 years ago and could take a standard m14 from semi to auto in short order with just a few files. Trick was to do it well enough not to create runaway gun. That is why you should not be able to posess an m14 without proper permits.

Anyone knows a semi auto M1A reciever and or parts can not be made full auto with just a few files or they would be illegal. Also selector switches are totally legal. The M1A receiver is made without the accommodations to be able to install a selector switch.

 

[SeekHer]

LeontheProfessional -- Quote:
Basic math[e]matics should be a licensing requirement.

No joke! lets see, you take 100 multiply it by 1.1 and Wow! you get 110.

halfded -- Or maybe just buy from someone that's willing to write off their cheeseburger and coke as a business expense? Keep your receipts, it should all be tax deductible right?

Wow, business advice...thank you very much for letting me know those sage bits of wisdom...I'll let my accountant know immediately...I’ll just go and reprogram my business calculator with the new formula!

Leon -- as stated that is cost plus ten not a 10% mark-up over cost, you don't like the math, talk to the MBAs out there...Let's see what would a 17% mark-up on $376.54 be? Well it isn't $440.55 but ???... It's $453.66!

Halfded -- Write offs are only good against PROFIT...I get a kid to help with the loading and selling and pay him should I not include the cost of those labour expenses into my selling price or am I supposed to eat it? Do I figure the cost of the table charge (rent plus utilities and insurance and security) into my expenses and mark up accordingly or just eat it...

XYZ Store on the other side of the city (150 miles roundtrip) is selling the same gun for $20 less do you drive there? What's the cost of gas and wear and tear on your vehicle? What's your time worth? At 30 MPG that's 5 gallons and at $4 a gallon you broke even except for the 2½ hours it took you to drive there and back...Me I'd have bought it at the other side of town and spend 2½ hours at the range, but then that's me!

Business Math lesson is over and yes, it will be on the test!

 

[Maverick223]

as stated that is cost plus ten not a 10% mark-up over cost, you don't like the math, talk to the MBAs out there...Let's see what would a 17% mark-up on $376.54 be? Well it isn't $440.55 but ???... It's $453.66!

I understand what you are saying, but I believe you are incorrect. There are two methods for price markup (profit margins): Sales Price Percentage Markup (cost would be 90% of retail price, or 111.11...[ad infinitum]% of cost) and the Cost Of Goods Sold Percentage Markup (retail price is 110% of the cost). The way it was stated (See Post No. 805 for details) was the later method, and would make $10.00 gross profit on a product that cost $100.00.

I don't claim to be a accountant, but I did take economics (though I apparently cannot properly spell "mathematics" I'm pretty good at it).

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

Well, I do sell for exactly a 10% mark-up over cost price which on a $100.00 item is $111.11 not $110.00

 

[cmhowe72]

I had the same situation upon return from being stationed in Germany for six years. I had an expired Stateside DL, a military ID card, and a US passport. I was on leave before before heading to my next duty station and Bass Pro in Dallas would not sell to me. For good reason..... a passport does not have an address on it. Although my documents proved my US citizenship, they did not prove my state of residency, and since you can't buy a handgun in a state you are not a resident of (at least not from an FFL holder (FFL to FFL transfers excepted))..... I had to wait until I had established residency in AK before making my gun purchase. Though that was at a retail store with an FFL, not at a gun show.

my $0.02.

 

[jlg]

$100 x 10% mark-up = $110 (100 x 1.1 = 110)
$100 x 10% margain = $111.11 (100 / .9 = 111.11)

I sure hope you fully explain your math to your customers before you hit the register.

 

[rustycrusty]

Got to get me one of those left-handed revolvers!


They are made by Charter Arms. If they make their hammerless in LH I'll buy one in a N.Y. minute.

 

[SniperStraz]

Gun salesman has a pile of FEG PA-63's laying on the table:
GS: "I'm selling these Walthers for a great price!"
Me: "How much?"
GS: "Only $350, and they are made in Hungary!"
Me: "Yes, I know where the PA-63 was made. They're based on the Walther design."
GS: "So I guess you wouldn't be interested in one?"
Me: "Not for more than $175"
GS: "They've never been fired."
Me: "That doesn't make them Walthers."

Where do these guys get off thinking they can just outright lie?!

 

[LeontheProfessional]

Thank you jlg. It has been a while since i had economics but I knew something was not right.

 

[Lakeshore]

Overheard the following exchange at a gun show this past weekend:

Customer: how many rounds should I keep in a magazine?
Vendor: well you know the average number of shots fired in armed confrontations is 15.

While I'm not positive that's a lie it just doesn't sound plausible.

 

[Maverick223]

Customer: how many rounds should I keep in a magazine?
Vendor: well you know the average number of shots fired in armed confrontations is 15.

Yeah, don't load it all the way...you wouldn't want to have too much.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

i guess i should after dropping the guy with one shot, empty the mag into him to be average. after all if your above average your probably an assassin.

 

[jeepmor]

I never let them get that far. I openly tell them their full of s***! and also let them know they just blew a sale...in front of their manager if I can help it.

I'm getting even more blunt as I get older, and they called me blunt in my 20's. I'm just more politely blunt now.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

At Cabela's gun counter a few days ago: Clerk was telling us about the Springfield 1911 Gov't model he was holding. Said he owned the exact same one. Said that 1911's have a really heavy, long single-action trigger.

And here I thought it was the other way around.

 

[45crittergitter]

Vendor: well you know the average number of shots fired in armed confrontations is 15.

While I'm not positive that's a lie it just doesn't sound plausible.

"The 'average' shooting: less than 10 feet, less than 4 seconds, less than 4 rounds, diminished lighting. - “Jim Grover”, G&A 1996